How accurate are these "battle rifles?''

[briansmithwins]

Some sample group sizes from my experiance.

AR15 (1/7 twist barrel): 1.25 MOA with PPU 75gr OTM.
Uzi (16" barrel): 4MOA with 124gr S&B
SKS (Norinco): 2MOA with Yugo M67
AK (Arsenal SLR107FR): 4MOA with Yugo M67

I'll be testing the Uzi today with it's new 10.2" barrel. BSW

 

[sprice]

ok, this isn't an moa thread or a what is a battle rifle thread- although i enjoyed learning about that i just didn't want to say battle rifle and assault rifle; so i just threw the ar-15 in there. ok? and this isn't a smg/ cod four thread either- but the mp5 comment was pretty funny!

 

[cameron.personal]

My DSA will run 1.25MOA with match ammo and a cool trigger puller.

What are the specs on that rifle/optics?

DSA SA58 PARA Tactical Carbine 16.25" fluted chrome moly barrel with Leupold 1.5-5x20mm SPR scope in LaRue SPR mount and black hill red box 175gr.

Trigger job by Bill Springfield at a clean(ish) 4lbs.

Cameron

 

[USSR]

Trigger job by Bill Springfield at a clean(ish) 4lbs.

Bill also did a trigger job on my DSA FAL. Does good work.

Don

 

[lencac]

azvarminthunter, you think K31s are accurate with surplus ammo try one using handloaded ammo. I shoot mine with 168 gr. Sierra Match King bullets and 43 gr. Reloder 15. If it had a scope I know it would be EASILY well under 1 MOA.
Heck I get 1 MOA with the open sights.
After doing some checking I find they have very tight chambers and a short throat which mean accuracy and that the mil-spec ammo was obviously made to very tight tolerences.

 

[Bass Killer]

Yes

I wonder what an MP5 will do.

The MP5 variants all shoot at a greater distance and amount of power. Due to the rifle twist and barrel lengths. Combat proven and tested, but its a Sub

 

[Winston_Smith]

DSA SA58 PARA Tactical Carbine 16.25" fluted chrome moly barrel with Leupold 1.5-5x20mm SPR scope in LaRue SPR mount and black hill red box 175gr.

Trigger job by Bill Springfield at a clean(ish) 4lbs.

Thanks cameron, good info.

 

[RP88]

Taliv: Then enlighten me?

We've all seen how ARs can shoot just as far and accurate as some of the longer-range rifles. It all depends on the model/build/etc. I don't see how I would be wrong; if you do, then shoot me a PM. But of course, if it came down to an 800-yard shot, I would not be picking up even a match AR over something like an M1A. So don't worry, I'm not giving an intermediate caliber weapon too much credit.

 

[sprice]

ok, seriously- no more bolt action and mp5 b.s. i just want information on m1a/m14, ar-15, and fal series rifles.

 

[taliv]

FALs are just not known for accuracy. At all. M14s aren't either, unless you do a lot of work to them. (see H2O's pictures for what it takes to make one fit for purpose)

It's just not clear to me at all how you arrived at the conclusion their accuracy is equal or better than ARs. It's the sort of statement that pretty much needs to be accompanied by supporting data.

As for the ACR, I don't even know anyone who has shot one for groups, so I'm curious where you got your info on this. Actually, now that I think about it, I can't say I've seen any SCAR groups posted either.

 

[RP88]

I honestly didn't know that it took THAT much tuning to get it to work. But, doesn't that apply to the AR as well?

 

[cameron.personal]

RP88 I am a HUGE FAL fan but there is no way a FAL is as accurate as an AR, the locking shoulder versus a rotary bolt. No way.

AR15s with a hand matched bolt and a decent chamber and barrel will put out sub 0.5 MOA all day. A good FAL with a really well fit locking shoulder will not do that. I have a DSA SA58 with a Badger chrome moly and a really nice lock up, with match ammo and a similar optic I cannot get it under 1.25MOA which is very accurate for a FAL. Don't even get me started on the triggers...

All four of my AR15s...



are more accurate than my best FAL.




Cameron

 

[taliv]

But, doesn't that apply to the AR as well?

no, actually it doesn't, which is kinda the point. most out of the box DPMS/RRA/etc ARs are pretty accurate already.

 

[TheFallGuy]

I think it depends on the M14. A buddy has a polytec that 1.5 MOA with me on the trigger. I used a springfield that got 1 MOA. Some brands get much better.

 

[chauncey]

one of the problems with the FAL is "stringing". as the barrel gets hot the shots will drop vertically.

the M14/M1A is also easier to shoot accurately due to its better balance and heavier weight with a wood stock, and some of the best iron sights ever put on a rifle. the longer sight radius doesn't hurt either.

there is some suggestion that 18" barrels are more accurate on FAL's than 21", due to barrel harmonics, but I can't comment on that as I have no experience with a 21" FAL.

I agree that a 308 AR will be more accurate and easier to scope than both, but I'm not an AR fan.

HK/PTR is almost as accurate as a stock M1A, if you are willing to consider it. easier to scope, also.

 

[sprice]

how much are those?