How do compare 2008 ammo panic to this one?

[Queen_of_Thunder]

I've been through them all and nothing compares to this.

I have already given friends over 6,000 rounds of 22LR, 38, 32, 380, 9mm, etc, and it looks like I'll have to carry them about another 4,000 rounds before it's over.


And when it's over we are going to have a talk about them stocking up about two years worth of ammo to get them through the next shortage.

Why are you waiting for the talk?

 

[itsa pain]

I've been through them all and nothing compares to this.

I have already given friends over 6,000 rounds of 22LR, 38, 32, 380, 9mm, etc, and it looks like I'll have to carry them about another 4,000 rounds before it's over.


And when it's over we are going to have a talk about them stocking up about two years worth of ammo to get them through the next shortage.

yes that is a great style. next time ammo is available I will buy 75,000 rounds so I could give it away. hard to believe

 

[itsa pain]

I think the antis have figured out that gun owners will create more gun control then any anti could dream of. due to arrogance egotism self entitlement greed fear etc gun owners have made ammo impossible to get driven up prices on everything related to guns. without passing a law the antis have gotten gun owners to put a 300% tax on ammo making ammo sightings less then seeing bigfoot essentially banning powder reloading supplies and most guns

 

[we are not amused]

In 2008, while there were long term shortages of certain calibers, (mainly .380) most other stuff could be bought, sometimes at a premium, otherwise normal price, but having to wait.

I don't remember any ammo or gun shortages after the Aurora shooting, but after the November reelection of Obama, I remember a big run on AR-15's, possibly other types too. They didn't disappear, but they became harder to get and prices spiked.

The real crunch came after Newtown, when AR's disappeared completely and ammunition in most popular calibers disappeared. One exception was that 7.62x39 never completely vanished. Cabela's always seemed to have some.

 

[skiking]

For me this time around wasn't as bad. My local stores always had something in stock. 2008 I couldn't find ammo or components so I couldn't go shooting. This last year I could find stuff even if the prices were a little higher.

 

[InkEd]

I think you could have just asked which was worse. A lot of useless options that only murky the waters with descriptions of the shortages rather than actually comparing the two of them.

 

[DoubleMag]

This latest run is a Left politcal party caused panic, and quite justifiable.

I disagree in part. the Left was/is doing what is expected of them. No surprise. The real culprits of this ammo panic, IMHO, are the cowardly Right nominally called, Republicans. All that power & authority running 1/3rd of the Gov't & all (House), and too scared to use it.

I think you could have just asked which was worse. A lot of useless options that only murky the waters with descriptions of the shortages rather than actually comparing the two of them.

ditto. 9 options for 2008, one for 2013? How is this a comparison poll again? I voted the 2013 worse btw, for reasons stated ^^^ above.

 

[rugerman]

I didn't vote because I reload all my ammo (except rimfire). But last time components were in short supply for a while, this time its much deeper. Powder/bullets/primmers were just hard to find before now they are starting to come back but much slower. Lucky I bought in quanity after the last drought and I'm still in good shape.

 

[MagnunJoe]

2008 was a cake walk compared to 2013.

 

[rdhood]

in 2008, Powder Valley was caught up and fully resupplied with reloading supplies(primers and powder) by July.

in 2008 I could get pulldown powder. None available (for .223/308) so far this year.

in 2008, I could get as much .22lr as I wanted. I haven't seen a single box of .22lr Blazer , yet, this year, and very little of anything else.

 

[Outlaw Man]

And when it's over we are going to have a talk about them stocking up about two years worth of ammo to get them through the next shortage.

I think this is the biggest contributor to the length of the current shortage. Rather than letting supply balance back out, people are grabbing what they can get now, fearing that the next crisis is just around the corner.

Oh, and, yeah, this is worse than the last one.

 

[herkyguy]

The next crisis is just around the corner. it doesn't take much to set things off again. Holder, Kerry, Clinton, Obama, heck even Biden all run their mouths just for a minute and it just fans the flame.

I am a bit surprised it has gone on as long as it has, and it is definitely worse than 2008.

 

[itsa pain]

I think this is the biggest contributor to the length of the current shortage. Rather than letting supply balance back out, people are grabbing what they can get now, fearing that the next crisis is just around the corner.

Oh, and, yeah, this is worse than the last one.

you are right. this will go on for a long time ammo suppliers love it and are still using 1980's production methods with the smaller amount of shooters then not caring about expanding because that would drive price down.they are using the methods of the oil companies with gas. then throw in millions of guys will stock up like you said

 

[M2 Carbine]

And when it's over we are going to have a talk about them stocking up about two years worth of ammo to get them through the next shortage.

I think this is the biggest contributor to the length of the current shortage. Rather than letting supply balance back out, people are grabbing what they can get now, fearing that the next crisis is just around the corner.

The idea was to stock up when ammo/loading components are plentiful and inexpensive, after the last shortage and BEFORE the next shortage hits (again).

For instance I bought MANY thousands of rounds of Wal Mart 22LR 550 bulk packs for $17 and under. Then when the bulk packs hit $25 I stopped buying.

Check the dates.







Now I shake my head at people paying scalper prices for ammo and wonder,
Were you people asleep?. A blind man could see this coming. Why didn't you stock up?

 

[savanahsdad]

this is way worse , I'm doing just fine as I have always bought more than I need , I always buy 22lr in bricks, and primers in bricks as well , I have 19 powders on hand , some 1lbs cans some 4lbs and 8lbs kegs. and primers I have many brands and types, just my normal stock , and I don't shoot as much as I use to,
but watch, it well get worse next month when the hunter that aren't big gun guys go to buy they're "hunting/sight in ammo" for this year and see what we have been seeing all year, small game starts here in a few weeks and there is no 22lr anywhere, I see a lot of 30/30, 270win ,308win 7mm-08 , and 7mmMag,coming back , but I'd bet as we get closer to deer season those shelves will be bare again ,

 

[Outlaw Man]

M2 Carbine, I read you 5x5. While I had to put a hold on things about the time this started (buying a house, planning for a baby), I had a decent amount put away. I didn't want to completely drain it, so I haven't shot as much as I'd like, but I definitely have a few ammo cans sitting back. My favorite prey was a box of Federal 22LR bulk at Academy on payday.

I'm just worried that it will be a while before I can replenish my stores without standing in line at Walmart on truck day.

Is your cat auditioning to be Federal's mascot?

 

[BullfrogKen]

2008-9 doesn't come close to the 2012-through-2013-and not-done-yet shortages and stockouts.


Four years ago was an inconvenience, but supplies could still be found. And I'm not talking about the e-Bay and gunbroker resellers. We could buy ammo, reloading supplies, and the other industry items at the stores. Not every trip mind you, and they did cost more. But they'd still get regular & recurring shipments to restock, and it would last for a brief while.

I think it was sometime in early 2010 when I finally saw the cap removed at the LGS on the amount of primers a customer could buy at one time.


This time around things have been crazy. I've never seen Dillon presses with a 4-6 month wait. For a press! For the market's more expensive, higher end press.

You name it, it's either just now come back in stock - like those presses and some other reloading equipment.
Or it's still spotty, like powder, primers, brass, bullets and such.
Or still not really available much, like 22 rimfire and small rifle primers.

I didn't see Hornady suspend production on 1/3 of their product line to focus exlusively on the high demand items in their line.

I did see rimfire guns become hard to get last time, but rimfire ammo was still on the shelves, and the stockouts of rimfire guns didn't last much more than a few months. Once center-fire ammo came back to the shelves, the demand for rimfires curbed.

The applications to join my local non-profit gun club this time was unreal. We had 120-150 applicants most years. 2007-08 we spiked to a few hundred applicants that year.

We had over 100 applicants each month, January through March this year.


No, this time around has been the craziest thing I've ever witnessed in this industry.

 

[M2 Carbine]

Is your cat auditioning to be Federal's mascot?

That's my attack cat, Bugs.

I'd hate to get him mad. He's 23 pounds of bad attitude.

 

[RFMan]

In 2008 I had difficulties finding 45ACP and .380. 9mm and 40S&W were relatively plentiful, in that they were among the last pistol calibers to disappear. I don't remember any real rifle ammo shortages, but I shot very little rifle aside from 22LR back then. Nowadays I shoot ARs and M1s. I primarily obtain Greek M2 ball from the CMP for the M1s. I don't remember 22LR being an issue. I was taking classes and shooting a 1911, and 45ACP was difficult enough to find that I almost missed a class or two due to not being able to find sufficient ammo (300 rounds), and it prodded me into reloading.

 

[Cee Zee]

I could get .22 ammo for almost the entire time of the 2008 panic. There was one period of about 6 weeks I couldn't find any. It was hard to find but I was always able to find some. The only thing that just didn't exist was .380. I didn't have my .223 then so I don't really know how bad that was. I didn't look for it but I heard it was pretty bad. 7.62 x 39 was pretty hard to get too.

 

[Cee Zee]

Now I shake my head at people paying scalper prices for ammo and wonder,
Were you people asleep?. A blind man could see this coming. Why didn't you stock up?

Actually I did but I stocked up on better ammo than you did. I have about 10,000 rounds still. It's not enough but it's a start. Mostly I have CCI SV but I also have quite a bit of target ammo. I have some bulk stuff but not a lot.

 

[marv]

2008 and 2013 are just an inconvenience compared to 1942,3,4,5.

 

[BullfrogKen]

True.

Lots of stuff was rationed in the 40's for the war effort. Lack of ammunition would be minor compared to the meat, butter, and rubber rationing.

 

[MattShlock]

And what a fine cat Bugs is!

 

[justice06rr]

Now I shake my head at people paying scalper prices for ammo and wonder,
Were you people asleep?. A blind man could see this coming. Why didn't you stock up?

That's a question frequently asked by many of folks that fortunately stocked up. Its really not that hard to understand.

Most gun owners (and people in general) are not prepared and don't prepare for such shortages/panic so they do not stock up. Another reason is that finances are limited, and funds have to go elsewhere i.e. bills, family obligations, etc. Yet another reason is that new shooters that have only entered the scene recently Post-SH did not have a chance to stock up and are not aware of previous shortages.