Mark
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I've shot in the cold and snow before, but not today. -30F in Fairbanks. I guarantee there wasn't much ammo expended at the open range today. Put me in the list with the boys I guess.
how do you separate the boys from the men?
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"how do you separate the boys from the men?"
Well, I don't know how they do it in Belgium, but here in the good ol' U.S. of A., there's a clear line of demarcation when considering handgun calibers.
Calibers beginning at .40/10mm and higher are favored by the "men."
Calibers below .40 appear to be preferred by ..., well, let's just say the "gender ambiguous."
Well, I don't know how they do it in Belgium, but here in the good ol' U.S. of A., there's a clear line of demarcation when considering handgun calibers.
Calibers beginning at .40/10mm and higher are favored by the "men."
Calibers below .40 appear to be preferred by ..., well, let's just say the "gender ambiguous."
The first time I qualified with an M-16 there was snow on the ground at Fort Polk and I was on a poncho in puddle growing by the minute from freezing rain. I can't brag, if it was up to me I would have stayed in the barracks and roasted marshmallows with the friendly drill sergeants. I once had a brigade commander who opined that soldiers fire better in crappy weather than in nice weather. His rational was that if the sun is shining and blue skies the mind wanders; when it's cold and nasty, you focus really fast on the bidness at hand. I don't necessarily agree but he had some beer math emperical data in his head.
Cliff
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Me and a friend last Sunday afternoon. Range SOP's in full effect,pictures taken with a Sony Mavica with shutter delay.
igor
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Lets keep it civil folks.
That means no name calling, no threats, or go play somewhere else.
As for shooting in the snow.. I love it. Problem is, though its January and I'm in Colorado its like 60 degrees here! There is no snow!
I recall a day in march when I went to meet a couple of TFLers in Colorado Springs for a day of shooting and fun. The rain turned to snow, then back to rain before we finished. It was cold, miserable, and a heck of a lot of fun.
That means no name calling, no threats, or go play somewhere else.
As for shooting in the snow.. I love it. Problem is, though its January and I'm in Colorado its like 60 degrees here! There is no snow!
I recall a day in march when I went to meet a couple of TFLers in Colorado Springs for a day of shooting and fun. The rain turned to snow, then back to rain before we finished. It was cold, miserable, and a heck of a lot of fun.
Freedom in theSkies
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As far as the men go, they usually have to do their annual famil at the 300 m range when it's -30C...The officers... they go in the summer...
ThePerfectOne
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that's what I'm talking about Cliff, you're the MAN, man 
agtman: if real man only shoot calibers starting from .40, than you assume that only sissies shoot 9mm para +p and hot .357 magnum
I have never shot a caliber over .357! I have shot .22LR, .38 S&W, .38 special, 9mm para +p, hot .357 magnum, 7.62 x 51 NATO, and a shotgun 12 gauge with magnum shells, but that's it
altough I don't think that will make me less man
and than again, I got all the time in the world, I'm only 19
I'm considering to buy a .44 magnum raging bull, but ammo is a bit on the pricy side
agtman: if real man only shoot calibers starting from .40, than you assume that only sissies shoot 9mm para +p and hot .357 magnum
I have never shot a caliber over .357! I have shot .22LR, .38 S&W, .38 special, 9mm para +p, hot .357 magnum, 7.62 x 51 NATO, and a shotgun 12 gauge with magnum shells, but that's it
altough I don't think that will make me less man
and than again, I got all the time in the world, I'm only 19
I'm considering to buy a .44 magnum raging bull, but ammo is a bit on the pricy side
FLM
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Perfect:
What are the gun laws like in Belgium?
What are the gun laws like in Belgium?
ThePerfectOne
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FLM: here's a copy of what I've sent to cslinger, one of your fellow americans who was also interested in our gun laws:
I suppose in the States you can buy as many handguns as you can afford. well, in Belgium you are limited to 10! you also can't carry guns outside your house or the shooting range. you can't shoot hollow points, you can't buy shotguns (pump-action), full-auto, ... but you DO can own high capacity magazines
so in my Glock 17 3rd gen, the only magazines I have for it are the 17 round ones. I was even planing to buy a 33-round mag for my Glock, but why would I want to fire 33 rounds in one time, without reloading?
you can own military firearms, so 9 x 19, .45ACP, 7.62 x 51 NATO, 5.56 NATO (.223 remington), no problem at all.
when you want to buy a firearm, you have to start a procedure that can take up to 4 weeks or even longer for semi-auto rifles (like the AR-15). for my Glock, I got my 9mm license in 5 days, but I (actually my dad) have some connections with the police, so ...
but there is still one country I know of, where it is even worse: Holland (aka The Netherlands). if a burglar breaks into your house, armed with a gun, there is nothing you can do about it, because you simply aren't allowed to carry a gun, even inside your own house!
I suppose in the States you can buy as many handguns as you can afford. well, in Belgium you are limited to 10! you also can't carry guns outside your house or the shooting range. you can't shoot hollow points, you can't buy shotguns (pump-action), full-auto, ... but you DO can own high capacity magazines
so in my Glock 17 3rd gen, the only magazines I have for it are the 17 round ones. I was even planing to buy a 33-round mag for my Glock, but why would I want to fire 33 rounds in one time, without reloading?
you can own military firearms, so 9 x 19, .45ACP, 7.62 x 51 NATO, 5.56 NATO (.223 remington), no problem at all.
when you want to buy a firearm, you have to start a procedure that can take up to 4 weeks or even longer for semi-auto rifles (like the AR-15). for my Glock, I got my 9mm license in 5 days, but I (actually my dad) have some connections with the police, so ...
but there is still one country I know of, where it is even worse: Holland (aka The Netherlands). if a burglar breaks into your house, armed with a gun, there is nothing you can do about it, because you simply aren't allowed to carry a gun, even inside your own house!
FLM
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Well, you've got better laws than Holland and England anyway. Actually your laws are better than some places here like D. C. Thanks for the info.
"you assume that only sissies shoot 9mm para +p and hot .357 magnum."
Nope, even the little girlies shoot 9mm and .357 mag over here. "Sissies" are stuck with .380 and lower. Hey, it's the law.
By the way, wasn't Belgium annexed by France after the last go-around in Europe? Maybe not. The wine would be cheaper, but it would suck having the French as landlords.
Speaking of Europe, you probably heard - unless CNN doesn't reach Belgium - that NATO military leaders were considering adopting the American .40S&W cartridge to replace the ubiquitous 9mm as NATO's "official" pistol caliber. But because some NATO members would pull out before ever agreeing to an American caliber designation stamped on NATO ordinance, NATO also said that the .40S&W, if adopted, would be renamed the "10mmNATO," in keeping with proper metric usage.
I see that as good news. At least that way a .40S&W shooter will be able to look himself in the mirror and say, with a straight face, "I shoot a 10mm."
Nope, even the little girlies shoot 9mm and .357 mag over here.
"Sissies" are stuck with .380 and lower. Hey, it's the law. By the way, wasn't Belgium annexed by France after the last go-around in Europe? Maybe not. The wine would be cheaper, but it would suck having the French as landlords.
Speaking of Europe, you probably heard - unless CNN doesn't reach Belgium - that NATO military leaders were considering adopting the American .40S&W cartridge to replace the ubiquitous 9mm as NATO's "official" pistol caliber. But because some NATO members would pull out before ever agreeing to an American caliber designation stamped on NATO ordinance, NATO also said that the .40S&W, if adopted, would be renamed the "10mmNATO," in keeping with proper metric usage.
I see that as good news. At least that way a .40S&W shooter will be able to look himself in the mirror and say, with a straight face, "I shoot a 10mm."
ThePerfectOne
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agtman, Belgium annexed by France
that ain't going to happen, most of the Belgians hate those ignorant french pigs, just like most of your Americans do
and besides, whe are a small, but rich country, we are placed Nr 5 in the list of best countries to live in.
we have 10 million inhabitants, and last year, we defeated the reigning world-champion France in their own "stade de france" in soccer: 1 - 2! you should have seen the faces of those 50.000 ignorant french pigs, being defeated by those tiny little Belgians
there's no reason why we would be annexed by the french, we're superiour to the french
.40 replacing 9mm maybe over 5 decades, but not now, that's for sure! .40 may be a tad better, but our army (and most other european armies) uses 9mm +p, and they are almost similar to .40 in stopping power. there's absolutely no need to replace it. why replace something when it's perfectly good?
that ain't going to happen, most of the Belgians hate those ignorant french pigs, just like most of your Americans do
and besides, whe are a small, but rich country, we are placed Nr 5 in the list of best countries to live in.
we have 10 million inhabitants, and last year, we defeated the reigning world-champion France in their own "stade de france" in soccer: 1 - 2! you should have seen the faces of those 50.000 ignorant french pigs, being defeated by those tiny little Belgians
there's no reason why we would be annexed by the french, we're superiour to the french
.40 replacing 9mm
maybe over 5 decades, but not now, that's for sure! .40 may be a tad better, but our army (and most other european armies) uses 9mm +p, and they are almost similar to .40 in stopping power. there's absolutely no need to replace it. why replace something when it's perfectly good?
What part about Keep it Civil are you missing?
Pappy John
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Back to the original topic....its 17 degs. this morning, and you know what that means...the range won't be MUDDY today!!! Lets go!!!!
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