How effectivly could an armed population resist genocide?

[entropy]

"If any of the above, or a subset of such should happen, does anyone think it would be possible, after the fact, to aquire any significant amount of ammuntion? In the caliber(s) you need?"

Simple Solution Otherguy: Use the same weapons as the enemy, then, any ammo/mags you take off the dead, theirs or yours, will be useable.

 

[Mad Man]

Anyone who belittles what happened in the Warsaw Ghetto is a moron. Those people dug in with few weapons and fought a vastly superior force, and they held longer than anyone could have possibly imagined. Yes, they were wiped out, but they were not defeated.

It is likely that the Red Army halted its advance on Warsaw, so any future "trouble makers" could be wiped out by the Nazis, saving Stalin the trouble.

If the advance had continued -- and the Communists didn't murder them afterward -- it is likely that many of those people would have lived.

 

[White Horseradish]

JHill, way to bring an irrelevant pet issue into a discussion. Look up the definition of "genocide" sometime.

Mad Man, while I generally do not tend to downplay the capacity for evil of the Soviet government, I highly doubt that the Jews of Warsaw were a consideration at that point.

 

[Mad Man]

300th post!

while I generally do not tend to downplay the capacity for evil of the Soviet government, I highly doubt that the Jews of Warsaw were a consideration at that point.

Jews, probably not.

People who take up arms and put up a fight, thus proving themselves to be potential troublemakers in the future Communist order of things, yes.

 

[another okie]

Mad Man wrote:

"It is likely that the Red Army halted its advance on Warsaw, so any future "trouble makers" could be wiped out by the Nazis, saving Stalin the trouble."

You are confusing the two Warsaw uprisings. The first one, the ghetto uprising by the Jews, occurred long before there were any Soviets anywhere nearby. The second uprising was by the Polish nationalist underground, which had stood by and done little for the Jews. The Polish underground rose up as the Soviets drew near, and the Soviets did in fact stop to allow the Germans time to put it down and kill as many Polish leaders as possible.

Perhaps that episode is a reminder of the truth of the old story about how "they came for the Jews and I did nothing, because I wasn't a Jew... etc." The Poles did almost nothing to help the Jews, and then it was their turn.

 

[Mad Man]

You are confusing the two Warsaw uprisings. The first one, the ghetto uprising by the Jews, occurred long before there were any Soviets anywhere nearby. The second uprising was by the Polish nationalist underground, which had stood by and done little for the Jews. The Polish underground rose up as the Soviets drew near, and the Soviets did in fact stop to allow the Germans time to put it down and kill as many Polish leaders as possible.

D'oh!

You're right. I stand corrected.


The Warsaw Ghetto Uprising started on April 19, 1943 (the eve of Passover), and continued into the middle of May.

The other Warsaw Uprising was from August to October 1944, after the Red Army reached the suburbs. It was only after the Polish Home Army was destroyed that the Soviets "liberatred" the city.

 

[Nando Aqui]

[I did not read every reply, but searched for "independence" and did not find it. Apologies if anyone already made the following point:]

And just who, and armed with what, defeated the British in the War of Independence?

Wasn't it farmers, townspeople, every day workers, and other 'patriots' who used their hunting rifles, put their lives on the line and defeated a much better trained and better armed force?

 

[entropy]

Some used their own weapons, the majority were issued Charvelle muskets bought from France, (or 'liberated' during the French and Indian War) or Brown Besses (again, 'liberated' from the F & I War) .
It must be remembered that the British had other more pressing military matters to attend to around the globe, and the Gererals and Admirals sent to 'put down that bloody rebellion' did so with disdain, as if it were beneath them. Had they devoted their full attention to fighting and winning, we'd be watching the telly in our flat, instead of the tube in our apartment.

 

[Drjones]

Nobody seems to have posted this yet:


http://www.gunnewsdaily.com/hgsave.html


It is long, so I won't post it here, but you do not need to register or anything to view it.......Its a good read....

 

[JoeWang]

The purpose of the Second Amendment is protect ourselves against the standing military.

I do not relish bearing arms against them but that is the sole purpose under the consitution that we are permitted to own guns. Not to hunt, not to protect ourselves. To help protect the other amendments in the bill of rights and our basic constitutional rights.

It is only recently (WWI) that we have maintained a standing army. Not until WWII and beyond has it been of any scope or significance.

I can see a Kerry-led govt. bearing the military down on gun owners. That would be his coup de grace, to put it in his own dialect. He will take away your bolt actions and your end loaders. Just wait.

 

[Drjones]

I can see a Kerry-led govt. bearing the military down on gun owners.

Come on.

I hate kerry as much as the next guy and could not possibly have any less respect for him, but get real.......

 

[UnknownSailor]

One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet, is that the members of the US Military aren't just unthinking robots. We will not to a man unquestionally obey orders to wage war on American citizens.

We have family to watch out for, live in and among the general population, and read the same newspapers and watch the same newscasts. Trust me, if it ever came to pass, many of us would be right beside you. And we wouldn't come empty handed.