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How far was the JFK shot?

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by notbubba, May 31, 2006.

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  1. notbubba

    notbubba Member

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    I thought I read somewhere that it was only 90 yards.

    So how far was it?
     
  2. Biker

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    I thought that it was 80 yards, but I could be wrong. In any case, he wasn't far *enough* away.

    Biker
     
  3. JohnBT

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    A is the shooter's location and C, D, and E are the estimated locations of JFK at the time of the 3 shots.
     
  4. Carl N. Brown

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    Pardon my crappy graphics

    It was not difficult ranges, 136 to 265 feet.
    I clobbered this together from diverse sources,
    the range and timing of shots follows the
    Failure Analysis Associates data.
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  5. dev_null

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    I guess B and G are where the Teamsters, Illuminati, Cubans, CIA, Masons, Priory of Sion, and J. Ogre Hoover in a blue dress were shooting from? :evil:
     
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    But the real killing shot was from the sewer grate between E and F. Sheesh - everybody knows THAT. ;)
     
  7. Carl N. Brown

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    Cigarette Smoking Man from the sewer grate with a
    takedown Remington semi-auto rifle: it's true, saw it on
    TV (X-Files backhistory of CSM episode).

    let me guess!
    B is the possible position a Grass Knoll shooter;
    F is the Triple Overpass;
    G is Zapruder's filming position.
    (did I win anything?)


    how jaded we have become



    All the bogus conspiracy theories are part of a plot
    to cover up the true conspirators.
     
  8. c_yeager

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    I still love all the amazingly ignorant people that tell me how impossible it would have been for someone (even a former Marine) to make that shot with that rifle. Looking at the ranges involved I think i would stand a pretty decent chance of accomplishing this task with a pistol. Anyone with any ability with a rifle whatsoever could easily make the shots with a Carcano.
     
  9. mete

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    Lots of BS about this. More than half of Americans alive today weren't even born when that happened .There is a major industry involved with this . Books , movies, magazine and newspaper articles etc . And every few years someone comes up with another absurd theory and it starts all over again . Get a life !! Political assassinations have been around as long as there have been politicians -it's a power thing !! Remember Julius Cesare ? he wasn't the first either !
     
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    Hello Badge Man. :)

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  11. S&WIowegan

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    JFK assassination

    I was in college at the time and more Republican than Dem. but I remember the whole episode with a great sense of shock and horror. I'm as callous as the next guy but I don't find this topic funny. I understand you guys completely on this type of banter, but for me it doesn't resonate. I still remember a right wing classmate actually celebrating the death:evil:

    Bob.
     
  12. Rumpled

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    I saw a reenactment show on Discovery or History Channel or something.
    They towed a convertible Lincoln with a dummy with a watermelon for a head and had two or three different shooters attempt from a tower the sequence of shots that was supposed to have occurred. Three shots in 2.something seconds?

    IIRC it was repeatedly accomplished.
     
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    Bob, Amen brother! The callous attitude that prevails today about this hienous crime, sickens me.
     
  14. lysander

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    Agreed. The shot was definitely not an impossible feat. I have seen a very thorough computer animation that demonstrated a single shooter could have easily fired three rounds and made three hits. The animation was effective because the designers were able to freeze the picture, or travel to any location at the Plaza, or view the entire event from the cross-hairs, etc. If I recall correctly, they used a Carcano that was very near the serial # to the one Oswald shot and they built their model around a shooter who fired three accurate rounds at distance with said rifle. They tracked and timed the shooter...then plugged those numbers in against the varying reported timeframes of the shooting. It was a solid demonstration.

    But....(and I am not a tinfoil type, just a skeptic)....from the perspective of a trained shooter...I have never grasped why Oswald would have passed up on many long seconds during which he could have shot straight out of the window, at a slowly approaching target, moving on level ground, rather than waiting to take shots at a target moving away from him, heading downhill, from a relatively oblique angle. His position was high enough that he would have had clearance over the windshield to hit JFK squarely in the upper 1/3 of his body.

    ....like I said....just something I wonder about. For all I know he was freaking out and didn't get the gun loaded and shouldered in time.
     
  15. Vern Humphrey

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    Correct. F marks the location of Boy Scout Troop 137, which was in blocking position in case Oswald, the Teamsters, Illuminati, Cubans, CIA, Masons, Priory of Sion, and J. Ogre missed (they were worried about J. Ogre -- he was having a bad hair day.):D
     
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    Apparently it's not OK to joke about JFK conspiracy theories, but it is OK to joke about decapitation. :scrutiny:
     
  17. Carl N. Brown

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    What some find "humorous" in the sense of gallows humor is not the
    assassination: it is the conspiracy theorists who use selections from
    the same sets of facts to prove opposing theories with thinly veiled
    political agendas, and then act like you are an idiot or dupe if
    you are not convinced.

    Kennedy was murdered by a self-righteous left wing zealot.
    And Kennedy was as mortal as the next guy.
    Some cannot accept that.

    The photo that supposedly shows a "badge man". it is
    all fuzzy shadows.
     
  18. Low-Sci

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    I actually wonder how much callous attitude toward an event like that is triggered by the conspiracy theory itself.

    I guess the first stages of coping with tragedy are disbelief and denial, and since conspiracy theorists never exit those stages, they never move on to mourning.

    So in turn, since they absolutely have to tell someone their bullcrap story, they break other people's mourning cycles with more disbelief and denial, so those people never get a chance to mourn fully either. Or at least, their process is impeded by jerks, which forces disdain into the equation.
     
  19. Serendipity

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    Carl, Kennedy was obviously mortal. Beyond that, there were no absolutes of which you or any of the rest of us are/were privy, on that day in 1963. I particularly don't have much tolerance for the tinfoil hat crowd, myself.

    I saw a rerun of a "48 Hours" special on the assassination a few years ago. There stood old blathering Dan Rather, speaking with total authority on a subject about which he knew nothing. He dismissed the eyewitness accounts of a puff of smoke by stating, again, authoritatively, that "we all know that modern rifles don't 'make' a puff of smoke." Guess old Dan never went to a range to observe the puffs of smoke that modern rifles don't make. :)

    Sen. Richard Russell, a member of the Warren Commission, never believed that Oswald acted alone. Russell wasn't some tinfoil hat, John Birch nut. He only signed the report at the insistence of his old colleague, LBJ, "for the good of the country."

    Just from my several thousand rounds of rifle-firing experience, I absolutely don't believe that the back of a guy's head is blown off by an entry wound from the back. Yeah, I know the "experts" demonstrated otherwise; just not my experience with centerfire rifles.
     
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    there is a whole nuther theory that a secret service agent got tangled up with his ar-15 in the caddy behind the lincoln. i will not say any more about this,except it would explain the dnts in the winshield header.
     
  21. chuckles

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    sizy wrote:
    I don't remember many AR-15s around in 63. Weren't they a later production weapon. We had them in 65 but I don't remember seeing them in 63. Obviously my age and advanced infirmity might an issue here.:D
     
  22. Detritus

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    ARs were around in government service in '63 and yes the Secret service had some on inventory. so that part is possible, whether the book "Mortal Error" has any basis in fact or is just another attmpt to pump smoke, i got no idea.
     
  23. Coltdriver

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    I visited the book repository a few years ago. You could look down at the street from the window that oswald shot from.

    Easy shot. Well under 100 yards, more like 60 yards at the most. The vantage point is very good.
     
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    The third shot was taken at 88 yards. Oswald's military records show him to be 98% accurate at 200 yards with iron sights.
     
  25. nfl1990

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    What are we arguing about? we all know the real culprit was Joe Damaggio.
     
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