How Hard to Hit Target with Short Range scope at 1000 yards

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Hi, I was talking to this lady and she claims she can hit targest with a A3-03 and Nagant rifle with Zeiss 8x30 scope at 1000 yards with groups of 4cm. I was wondering if this is truly possible or if she is just exaggerating her success? I myself am looking for scopes, but was under the impression that it would be almost impossible to hit sites at 1000 yards with scopes under 20 power. Well , I am a new shooter so I think it would be even less probable. Is it possible for a long time shooter to be able to easily hit targets though at 1000 yards with small groups with a scope like this?

Also, she tells me she can hit targets with A3-03 using iron sights at 600 yard very easily.

Well, I am pretty new in gun world, and I am going to invest lot of money in optics, but if practicing with iron sights and short range scopes can make ua better shoot and achieve such good results, maybe I can go that route for now.

I am wondering though how realistic this woman's claims are or if it is not a hard feat for an experienced shooter to do?
 
Good iron sights can get you to 600 yards no problem. Hell many in the military shoot M16s with iron sights to 500 yards.

As for shooting at 1k with an 8 power scope.... It could be done. Using that small of a power for grouping competition is pushing it a bit.

And Im not sure, but if she is shooting 4cm at 1k yards, wouldnt that make her the world record holder? I call BS on her big time.

Unfortunately you will find A LOT of tall tales in the shooting world.
 
Boy I wish my Nagant could do that :rolleyes:

"And Im not sure, but if she is shooting 4cm at 1k yards, wouldnt that make her the world record holder? I call BS on her big time."

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She's exaggerating! 2.2cm=1". Use some common sense...That rifle isn't even capable of doing that...let alone any person alive! And NO, there aren't exceptions with a rifle like that (let alone any rifle made).
 
And in the military, they shoot at silhouettes. They don't shoot 4 cm groups at 500 yards. BTW, they are on the metric system...you mean to say, "500 meters."
 
I wasnt implying 4cm groups at 500 yards, just that you can shoot at those distances with iron sights. With the standard A2 M16/AR sights, its not terribly hard either.

Every time we shot a 500 meters it was on standard bullseye style targets.
 
If the target were scaled up large enough, and with a good rifle, the 8X scope wouldn't be the problem. You'd lose a small degree of precision. Bigger problems are having enough adjustment to put you on target or a reticle that gives you an aiming point. Could be done if you set out to do it. A 4cm group? Well, I guess she didn't say how many shots. If you shoot enough 3 shot groups, you'd luck 3 together eventually. Not on demand though.

So "on target" is possible but I'd like to see it and a "4cm group" is not realistic. And with a Nagant, that's just crazy talk. :D

PS, Palma shooters go way out there with iron sights and a big target.
 
I have three friends that have killed Prairie dogs at 1,000+. One used a straight 15x Leupold on a .308.

FYI, a PD is about the size of your foot. Magnification required depends on the size and clarity of the target.

And no, it wasn't "one shot, one kill"

IIRC, all Marines qualify with irons on an AR up to 500 meters
 
I know hitting a target at 500 yards with an M-16 is entirely possible. However, that is not the issue at hand. Does anyone realize that 4 cm=0.90 inches? No rifle in the history of mankind is capable of that kind of accuracy, even if it was in a vice! Forget human error...it is not possible under no circumstances. If someone had a hundred-thousand dollar rifle, with a 100x Zeiss scope, in a 1000 yard tunnel with no wind, a 4 cm group at 1000 is impossible.
 
She claimed she could hit 1000 yards target with 4cm groups with her A3-03 or nagant and use of Zeiss 8x30 scope. I am not sure which she was claiming that she coudl use this. She claimed to have very tight groups with iron sights with the A3-03. She said she could do all this because her grandmother trained her and that she was in red army as a sniper and that she had 43 kills. Once again, who can verify any claim. She said she was also on the rifle team in school and has been training her whole life. Dunno.. nice fantasy story maybe :D.. I thought it would be hard enough to see a 1000 yard target with a 8x power, scope, much more hit it with 4 cm groups.

THis lady was an ultra feminist, trying to display her bravado to me. Perhaps she is not even 100% women, she says she likes girls too. LOL.. Anyhow, when she started talking about the tight groups with iron sights and hitting tight groups at 1000yards an 8x scope, I had to scratch my head. :scrutiny: I wonder why such a sharp, professional shooter uses a crappy nagant anyway? She said she paid only $120 with it, but can hit anything. I asked her if she could offer me classes, that she must be a world champion.

Hey I could be dumb you know.. I don't really know whats good and not good yet. Yeah, I meet lot of characters online, being a newbie I can believe lot of things, so I need to be sobered up.
 
Come on you guys.....I shoot sub 4cm groups every time I go out. There's really nothing to it even with my old beat up Enfield......
















I do start to have a problem when I fire the second round:neener::neener:
 
I just feel the urge to point out that "macho, testosterone-driven" BS isn't limited to MALES.

Anytime someone has to give a back-story to explain their superhuman abilities, 100% of it is fallacy.

Any time a person makes claims that said superhuman abilities can actually overcompensate for the variances of a piece of machinery, it is utter BS.

I've talked to SO many of those people at gun shops and gun shows over the years. They drive me nuts.

You said she was an ultra-feminist. There's the connection.

You see, the Soviets were one of the only armies to utilize female snipers in WWII. There is a certain empowerment to the sniper-genre to many people. She may well have Russian roots, and has a desire-- based upon her political/societal views-- to attach herself to that genre.

Unfortunately, you had to be dragged into her delusional fantasies for a time. I've been there with people on many topics. Root canal is better.


-- John
 
Well, considering the IBS world record is a shade under 1.5" done with a highly customized wildcat rifle. I highly doubt that this person, male or female is even hitting paper consistantly at that range, with either of those rifles...

Not sure if there is a newer record, the following info was googled
Quoted from G&A article:

(Coshocton, Ohio) -- Tom Sarver, proprietor of Thunder Valley Range, a Medina, Ohio native, broke two International Benchrest (IBS) 1,000-yard benchrest records July 7, 2007 in Plainfield, Ohio. Using his light gun class rifle, Mr. Sarver scored a perfect 50 with five "X’s".

The record breaking five shot group measured 1.403 inches from the center to center. His perfect score of 50 was located in the exact center of a 42 inch x 42 inch target with a 2-inch diameter x ring.

Tom broke the record at the IBS association sanctioned match at Thunder Valley Range. Mr. Sarver captured the two records with a custom designed wildcat cartridge. He has coined his design the .300 Hulk, which is patterned after the .338 Lapua magnum case that has been modified to .30 caliber.

Members from twenty-seven states and 3 countries visit Thunder Valley annually to participate in long range shooting events. The range has a variety of targets from twenty-five yards to 1 mile.
 
dont know about anybody else here but i cant group that tight at 100yds with my mosin
 
The 8x scope would not be too great a handicap however.

1,000 yards, / 8x = 125 yards.
Almost anyone can shoot decent groups at 125 yards.

As for sub-4 Cm groups at 1,000 yards?
Maybe she only shoots one shot?
One shot = one group?

rc
 
Just to put things into perspective, and keeping the math simple:

1 MOA at 1000 yards is about 10.47 inches.

So, a 1.57" group is .15 MOA roughly.
 
Dave,

Sorry, I screwed up on the math. I think the school comment was a little rediculous, but kudos for being bigger than I.

So, roughly 1.5" at 1000 yards. Who can do it? Check out what the world record group at 1000 yards is...
 
Your a guy, talking to an Ultra Feminist lesbian and you expect ANYTHING she says to you to be true? LOL Ask her what color the sky is, undoubtably her answer WON'T be "blue". LOL
Sorry, probably getting off topic with that, no offense meant...

Well, I am pretty new in gun world, and I am going to invest lot of money in optics, but if practicing with iron sights and short range scopes can make ua better shoot and achieve such good results, maybe I can go that route for now.
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I've heard several times that new rifle shooters would be better served sticking with iron sights and practicing a good trigger pull before moving onto scopes. I'm no expert so ask aroundLOL


M
 
I dunno, all I can think is "Maybe she meant 100 yards or maybe it was 1000 feet" or something like that??? Or maybe she is trying to impress you because she likes you? Even ultra-feminists have feelings. :eek:;)

And she put a Zeiss scope on a Mosin Nagant? :confused: I'd like to see a picture of this mythical rifle. BTW, the only time I shot at 1000 yards, I was off my target by several YARDS :uhoh: (darn 50+MPH winds) So hats off to those who REALLY shoot at that distance.
 
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