How Hard to Hit Target with Short Range scope at 1000 yards

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And she put a Zeiss scope on a Mosin Nagant? I'd like to see a picture of this mythical rifle
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No, the Zeiss scope was put on the A3 03 and the Nagant came with one of those old type of PU scopes that are common on WWII sniper rifles. Either way , I think her claims are beyond reason and her fantasies of grandma the war hero are a bit far fetched, yet not that I can disprove any person's claim. But combination of grandma the master sniper and her with the sub 4cm groups at 1000 yard with Nagant using PU scope and A303 with 8x Zeiss sounds a bit, how can I say, fishy. And then she says she hits tight groups with iron sights at 600 yards no problem.

Once again, if she is such a master sniper, why would she settle for couple of crappy old guns, when they make much more accurate and better quality. All she could talk about is these two guns; woudn't a master marksman have a lot of different guns to boast about. And if you are this good with some old clunkers, wouldn't that mean with a better gun you can get the same groups at 1500 or even 2000 yards? How come she never boasts about this? I think she is just making up some stories, based on some novels of some of her mythical heroine lesbian warrior she fantasizes about. :rolleyes:

Or maybe she is trying to impress you because she likes you? Even ultra-feminists have feelings
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Well, if we got married, I wouldn't ever have to worry about paying for rifle lessons :evil:
 
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99.999% of the shooters wouldnt manage that with an excellent BR grade rifle at half that distance.

A majority of Mosin shooters would struggle to achieve a 4 cm 5 shot group at 100 yards would be my guess.
 
I doubt it with a Nagant but if you look at some of the old camp perry records some pretty amazing groups have been shot with a 03 national match with open sights at a 1000 yards.
 
I doubt it with a Nagant but if you look at some of the old camp perry records some pretty amazing groups have been shot with a 03 national match with open sights at a 1000 yards.
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What would you call amazing? How can open sights hit accurately out to 1000 yards? I wonder how it is possible?
 
MY BS...scrutinized closely

i once shot a dead branch out of a dead tree at a guestimated 600 yds. was a called shot with some buds spotting. shot an old browning safari in 300WM, topped with a 3x9 leopold. was after shooting 190gr lapua boat tail reloads tailored to that iron. i had shot through same rifle/loads most of an entire day. very little wind, bright day.

could i do it again? doubt it.

not in just one day, the iron just wasn't built for that kinda accuracy. anyone CAN pull off some amazing luck......er-ah "shots" if they shoot enough. repeatability is the key to mastery.

nowadaze, i have iron that can do some pretty impressive tricks, and a lazed 600yd range from my back porch. can i print 3 shot 1 1/2" groups from this known enviornment and range, with the higher quality tools?

doubt it. i don't have the financial resources to shoot enough with these to become that familiar. even if i did, not sure the GOOD quality iron i have would be up to it. would likely need to upgrade the equipment for that.

could she have shot her trusty nagant with free combloc practice ammo enough to become the shooter she claimed to be?

DOUBT IT.

maybe the wind direction was swapping, and she's talking about a 3 shot group that was aimed at three seperate targets, and clustered tightly on the X ring of the center paper? as weird as that scenario may sound, i would find this easier to believe.

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She said that "she was in red army as a sniper and that she had 43 kills." Was this an 80 year old Russian woman?
 
:rolleyes: Another vote for BS. :rolleyes:

I do think some surplus rifles with the right ammo can be amazingly accurate with practice. As a kid (High school) I had a 98k Mauser that I bought with a few thousand rounds. After that first summer (Shooting daily) I was able to hit things with that rifle that many people would likely call BS (With that gun & Ammo), but certainly not 1000 yards. I know I shot ground hogs at 300+ yards, prone over the next few years. But I did miss a few (Just a few :)). For practice, I used a cambells soup can (The "Chunky" cans) layed on end at about 150 + yards. I could put all 5 shots into the can (Through the end). I havent measured that but I would say it is a 3" +-. If I didnt get all 5 I usually got 4 in and 1 would just be outside. I thought that was good for a surplus rifle with surplus ammo. Also, at that range (150+- yards) that is not a big target through your iron sights, and I had / have good eyesight. From that distance it is just a small black dot, much smaller that the inverted V of the mausers sight. With a Fat post of a nagant, I'm not sure how you would do that, much less 600 yards. I'm not saying it is absolutely impossible, but not very likely! I wouldn't believe it unless I was there in person, especially with a surplus rifle. Just My Opinion.
 
The account in the OP is extravagant exaggeration, not to say BS.

But for those who wonder about getting hits at long range with iron sights, the standard NRA bullseye has a black aiming area of 4.4 MOA or larger. The 1000 yard target has a 44 inch black, which can readily be held on with peep and globe target sights. Most shorter targets run about 5.5 MOA. That is NOT the "bullseye", the aiming area is black out to include the 8 or even the 7 ring of the scoring areas. Some of the older targets meant for use with military peep sights are even larger for a good hold.

Note: The 1903, 1903A3, and Garand have iron sights but they do not have open sights. They have aperture or "peep" sights, known by foreigners as "diopters." There is a difference in construction, use, and accuracy from common sporting or Mauser open sights.
 
I know a National Champion Benchrest shooter and gunsmith, we fixed a toilet together tonight. He shoots Hunter class in IBS. At 300 yards, with the required 6 power scope, you can not make out the ten ring or X on the target.

His guns are of course, custom built, high value pieces, as are his peers' rifles. To shoot 1000 yards with a surplus military weapon.....
 
I saw an individual, a man, fire a .303 enfield with iron sights, he hit a 6ft by 6ft target at 1000 yards several times, but it took several shots to do so, a good average for any shooter.
In the army (not your average unit either) I know that simple 4X scopes were used on M-16A2 and the shooters were making consistant hits at 650 meters. With open sights on the M-16A2 its easy to make 300-400 meter shots on sillouettes and vehicles can be engaged from 800 meters.
 
well lets see, shes claiming less than .2 MOA at 1,000 yards?

I'd have a hard time believing she could do that at 50 yards.

Heres a picture of one of the former records held for 1,000 yard light gun and its just under 4.5 inches. So if she can do it in 1.5 I'd say that she should be a rich rich women shooting exhibition and competition with sponsors lined up!

As for the 8x scope its not bad. Standard issue is a 10x .
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I doubt it with a Nagant but if you look at some of the old camp perry records some pretty amazing groups have been shot with a 03 national match with open sights at a 1000 yards.

What would you call amazing? How can open sights hit accurately out to 1000 yards? I wonder how it is possible?
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Long distance shooting at a 1000 yards with iron sights is not so uncommon, especially in countries like the UK. I myself can't do it as my eyesight limits me to about 500-600 yards to see the target, but it is more than doable. There is the service rifle match at that distance that is performed at Bisley.

Now a Nagant being able to shoot in that little amount of space, is not so believable, though I used Lee Enfields and a Swiss M1911 to have them within a foot at 600 yards, prone with iron sights and I was quite proud of that.
 
Let's examine her claims:

600 with '03 and irons? YES

1000 with an 8x scope, hitting the target? YES (with the right rifle, and the right sized target).

4 centimeter groups at 1,000? No, not by mere mortals with ANY kind of optics or rifle.

She's giving you a mix of true and false.

An 85 year old Russian chick still shooting 0.2 MOA @ 1,000 - tee hee, that IS a good one. :)
 
I too can shoot 4 cm groups at 1000 yards . . .

Why I'm sure if I fired at least 100 rounds at that target, I'm sure at least three or four of them out of the yard-wide pattern I'd make will just happen to be an inch and a half apart. Voila, 4 cm group . . . using shots #1, 23, and 82. ;)
 
On Extreme Marksmen, they had on a sniper team that shot a group at 1000 yards. Perfect day, and they were happy just to hit the target on the first shot. After shooting they said that they would be lucky to come out and shoot another group like that. I don't remember enough to accurately say what MOA the group was, but guessing I would say ~<16" (?)...5 shot IIRC.
 
On Extreme Marksmen, they had on a sniper team that shot a group at 1000 yards. Perfect day, and they were happy just to hit the target on the first shot. After shooting they said that they would be lucky to come out and shoot another group like that.
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They also said (the show, not the shooters) that there is only a handful of people who can shoot at 1k and actually hit the target, and those are all in the military. They evedently don't know about F-class... But military snipers aren't actually the best shooters, they are the best shooters that can be invisable.:p:D


This story is BS, i can't do that withh a mosin at 50yd.....:D The 85yr old lady is funny too.
 
How Hard to Hit Target with Short Range scope at 1000 yards --

i cant throw any scope accurately much past 50 yards
 
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