How many 223's does one need

Which would you get

  • AR-15

    Votes: 204 92.7%

  • PLR-16

    Votes: 16 7.3%
  • Total voters
    220
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I have a plr, simple to clean, and yet i have run 1000 rounds through it, and havent cleaned it yet. Why? Piston drive , baby!!! It just doesn't get dirty, plus , since it uses a bunch of ar stuff anyway, go ahead and get one.
 
Oh , another thing, with the single point sling, it is so light , you can throw it over your neck / shoulder, and after a while, forget you are WEARING IT!!!
Also, for the ultimate in hands free worky, someone out there, right now, has made a thigh holster for it. So Kule!
 
I'm sorry, but that's just stupid...
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Why...

More guns are said to be damaged from overcleaning than by over shooting.

If its still functioning I see no reason to clean it especially if it isn't a serious weapon.

With the dawn of non-corrosive ammo it just isn't as big of a deal anymore.

IMHO
 
rangerruck
I have a plr, simple to clean, and yet i have run 1000 rounds through it, and havent cleaned it yet. Why? Piston drive , baby!!! It just doesn't get dirty, plus , since it uses a bunch of ar stuff anyway, go ahead and get one.
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You might want to check the inside of the piston tube from time to time.

I was shooting a lot and went a couple weeks without breaking down the gun, but I did oil everything I could get to.

I was surprised when I finally did clean the gun that there was heavy rust inside the tube. What little oil I put in the tube holes at the piston wasn't getting to the spring and down in the tube.
No corrosive ammo was fired.
 
I was surprised when I finally did clean the gun that there was heavy rust inside the tube. What little oil I put in the tube holes at the piston wasn't getting to the spring and down in the tube.
No corrosive ammo was fired.
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Anymore details on this?

Indoor/outdoor? High humidity?

I'm just curious what would of casued the rust.
 
Fella's;

My personal answer to the poll is: As many as you want.

Of course, that's "want within reason". Not worth brewing up the ultimate argument with a significant other to get the umpty-somethingth .223. No sense in driving another coupla thou miles on badly worn tires, that sorta thing. But, given that there's no financial hardship or relationship problems, get whatcha want.

900F
 
I'm just curious what would of casued the rust.
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Low humidity. Gun kept in the house. No corrosive ammo shot but sometimes I wonder about stuff like South African .223, etc.

Since the inside of the tube, piston and spring has the lube burned off pretty quick and can't be properly lubricated without tearing the gun down I guess it's a prime area for rust.

In any case, even though that tube would be cheap to replace, I now clean the gun after a day or two of shooting.
Since the gun's receiver, bolt, etc, stays clean it's only a ten minute job to give the PLR a good cleaning.
 
Dude, it is not that I totally ignore the weapon, but you just open her up, look around inside a bit, shake out what doesn't belong, and put back together. Simple. plus , every one of my weapons, that I decide to keep, gets dunked in sweetshooters for a couple of days, and then wherever I store it, gets put in a bag or a sock, with a VCI emitter disc thrown in for good measure.
I did this with a 70 year old , no blueing whatsoever marlin mod 81. I then put it in the leaky trunk of my car, and left it there, from march until june of last year. From cold rainy weather, to hot -@#ss Houston weather.
Not a bit of rust showed up anywhere.
 
AR. Plenty of upgrades and add-ons to keep you occupied, and if you get bored, just get a new receiver in a different caliber.
 
I have a buddy that has a 24" target 223, a 20" Vietnam era gun, a M4gery and an ultralite carbine, me, I have one 16" middy.
Depends on your needs & budget ;)
 
More guns are said to be damaged from overcleaning than by over shooting...If its still functioning I see no reason to clean it especially if it isn't a serious weapon.
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Wow, that's just complete ignorance right there... I take it you don't change the oil in your car either? Who exactly said more guns are damaged by "overcleaning" exactly?

If you don't care about the firearm and just want to abuse it, go ahead... but don't knock proper maintenance procedures.

Do you really think it's good for a gun to fire around this many rounds without cleaning?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cG1Qz8Iivug


dumbdumbdumb
 
Gyrfalcon - IMHO - the complete ignorance is more in your replies than anywhere else. You do understand that this is the high road, right? Not everyone agrees on the same maintenance program, because every gun/machine is different. If you don't agree, well, that's fine. Welcome to America, right? But because some of us don't believe that we need to break down a weapon every time we put a few rounds through it is no reason to call us "dumbdumbdumb" or ignorant.

Not trying to lecture...just pointing out that you're coming off a little abrasive here over a silly subject.
 
Not everyone agrees...
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Have you ever heard of recommended best practices? Call up Kel-Tec and ask them how many rounds you should fire without cleaning the PLR.

Non-Corrosive ammo is still corrosive. It's just not nearly as corrosive because it doesn't contain sulfates in the primer. Some shotgun enthusiasts think shooting thousands of rounds is A-Ok without cleaning... it's not if you want to maintain your firearm and keep it in good condition.

If you think I'm abrasive, fine... If I think somethings dumb, I'm going to state it.

Cleaning, and proper maintenance of a firearm is needed on a regular basis for both safety and reliability. ****PERIOD***
 
Cleaning, and proper maintenance of a firearm is needed on a regular basis for both safety and reliability. ****PERIOD***
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Ask the small bore silhouette crowd how often they clean their rifles:eek:

Modern day ammunition and primers have rendered mandatory gun cleaning a thing of the past. Kinda like the 3000 mile oil change, also thing of the past.

I can take a rifle and shoot 100 rounds of quality commercial ammo or handloads through it, cram it into the back of the safe and forget about it for half a decade. It'll come out the same rifle it went in as.
 
Thank you Krochus. All I'm trying to say, Gyrfalcon, is that you are as entitled to your opinion as much as anyone else here is. **PERIOD**. I have shot tons of very dirty .22 through my guns, and they're doing just fine, thanks. Soldiers are in the field right now, using rifles that I can guarantee haven't been broken down and scrubbed as per manufacturer's specs. Hell, have you ever seen a milsurp rifle? Those things can be downright FOUL, but they'll still go bang every time unless they're encased in cosmo.


All I'm trying to say, is that your opinion is just that - and OPINION. I have mine, and other's have theirs. You seem to feel the need to talk down to those of us who differ from your cleaning mantra, and it's becoming rude as hell.

With all due respect - please try to not call those who you disagree with "ignorant" or "dummies", because we're not. I know next to nothing compared to most folks here, but I do my best to learn.
 
cram it into the back of the safe and forget about it for half a decade. It'll come out the same rifle it went in as.
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Why not a decade, or a quarter of a century too? I take it all back...the AR-15 is gods gift to man. It is invincible to breakdown, rust and never needs cleaning.


You seem to feel the need to talk down to those of us who differ from your cleaning mantra
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No, but if your cleaning mantra is atheism...

...but they'll still go bang every time
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No, they don't and that's my entire point. I just listened to a guy bashing Glocks and Beretta's because they failed him in combat. Lack of maintenance and cleaning is a major issue.

please try to not call those who you disagree with "ignorant" or "dummies"
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I think various things people are doing are ignorant or dumb, I'm not calling them that... Lets say I thought it was fine to point a loaded rifle at someone as long as the safety was on. Is that ignorant or dumb...or am I ignorant and dumb?

You know, it's just opinion. :banghead:
 
Greyfalcon have YOU ever had any firsthand experience with a gun failing to function from lack of cleaning? No second or third hand tales, but with your gun your ammo in your hands?

I shoot A LOT, I go through several pounds of powder per year. I don't clean a rifle until I begin to see signs of copper fouling in the bore. Ends up being about twice per year:eek:

All I can say is if you think a modern semiauto requires through cleaning after 20 rds then YOU need to buy better quality ammo.

Glocks and Beretta's because they failed him in combat.
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Please enlighten us where are Glocks being used in combat.
 
Just head over to Glocktalk and find out for yourself... You know full well that they are.
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AH YES! Glocktalk, that bastion of knowledge and truth.


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