Arkansas Paul
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Posts like this are why we need a "Like" button on here.
How many is too many for cc?
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Elkins45
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IMO if you need four guns to feel safe then you either need to move or you need to never leave the house again.
In the time it takes you to decide which one to draw your assailant could probably fill you with lead.
In the time it takes you to decide which one to draw your assailant could probably fill you with lead.
onelastshot
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The biggest problem you're going to run into is deciding which gun to pull first if the occasion ever arises where you will need to defend yourself. Seriously, with four different weapons, what are you going to do; ask the attacker to pause momentarily while you decide which firearm will best suit the current threat?
45_auto
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corton93 said:
Are you a mall security guard?
GBExpat
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LOL
dickydalton
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Just remember, if you do seek that counseling you will probably never be able to own a gun again.
corton93
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Just a note to all. I wasnt listing every item I edc, just the guns. I dont wear glasses. I carry my phone in my front right, and my work phone on the belt. A four-sevens preon 2 (with extra batteries). An emerson cqc 8 along with a sog flash 2. And a lighter. I carry other possibly needed emergency items on the car (every car). Food, water, clothing, medical supplies. I train frequently with every gun I own. I train on reloads. And I train on transitioning from gun to gun quickly and under stress and in awkward positions. Both strong hand and weak hand. Just want everyone to know im actually prepared. Not just waking up every morning with visions of Red Dawn lol.
Eeny meeny miny moe, shoot a bad guy in his toe, if he surrenders let him go, eeny meeny miny moe. Ok this one
Sam1911
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We should really stop saying things like that. It puts wrongheaded, misinformed, and fallacious pressure on people who might actually need help.
orionengnr
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This is a perfect example of how the "two is one, and one is none" mindset can become "23 is 22", ergo "22 is 21" ergo "21 is 20"....and eventually, "23 is none".
We had a saying in Naval Aviation. The only time you have too much fuel is when your wing is on fire.
So, I guess the "Carry Corollary" would be: The only time you are carrying too many firearms/reloads is when you find yourself suddenly swimming with XXX lbs of steel/lead/copper/brass attached to your body.
But that is theory. Practice may be different. YMMV, and probably will.
In reality, the choice is yours. Your choice will likely be different than mine. As long as you are mot violating any law (some places dictate a maximum number) and your spine and wallet can bear the strain....carry on.
IMHO, the more CCW practitioners we have out there, the better. And if you are carrying 3-4 guns when the crazies strike, maybe you can arm 2-3 other people and they will help engage (or at least draw fire...sorry, that was pretty cynical).
I'm happy with one. But I'm an old 142-lb bastard with three spine surgeries behind me, and no desire to lug anywhere near my body weight in guns/ammo along with me. I used to carry a 4" N-frame, or a 4" steel 1911. Those days are pretty much done for me.
We had a saying in Naval Aviation. The only time you have too much fuel is when your wing is on fire.
So, I guess the "Carry Corollary" would be: The only time you are carrying too many firearms/reloads is when you find yourself suddenly swimming with XXX lbs of steel/lead/copper/brass attached to your body.
But that is theory. Practice may be different. YMMV, and probably will.
In reality, the choice is yours. Your choice will likely be different than mine. As long as you are mot violating any law (some places dictate a maximum number) and your spine and wallet can bear the strain....carry on.
IMHO, the more CCW practitioners we have out there, the better. And if you are carrying 3-4 guns when the crazies strike, maybe you can arm 2-3 other people and they will help engage (or at least draw fire...sorry, that was pretty cynical).
I'm happy with one. But I'm an old 142-lb bastard with three spine surgeries behind me, and no desire to lug anywhere near my body weight in guns/ammo along with me. I used to carry a 4" N-frame, or a 4" steel 1911. Those days are pretty much done for me.
MachIVshooter
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It's impractical by almost any standard, and imprudent in my opinion.
Consider this: Should you ever actually have to use one in self defense, how do you think it's gonna reflect on you when the responding officers discover that you have that much armament on your person? I think they'll perceive you as looking for a fight, and that will set the tone for how they investigate. It's the same reason I consider carrying a half dozen magazines or a semi auto carbine a bad idea. This is not a 3rd world country where deadly threats literally lurk around every corner; it's the USA, and your chances of ever needing to use a firearm in self defense are really pretty low,
unless you frequent sketchy parts of town at the wrong hours, in which case your overall judgement and motives for carrying may be questionable (again, occupational requirements notwithstanding, it suggests looking for a fight).
I personally think anything more than a practical CCW with a reload and maybe a BUG is gonna look bad in the eyes of investigators, grand jury and (quite possibly) jury of your peers. I don't buy the "good shoot is a good shoot, no matter what else" nonsense, because seldom is self defense that clear to investigating officers. The type of ammunition and gun(s) can and do enter into the equation.
Consider this: Should you ever actually have to use one in self defense, how do you think it's gonna reflect on you when the responding officers discover that you have that much armament on your person? I think they'll perceive you as looking for a fight, and that will set the tone for how they investigate. It's the same reason I consider carrying a half dozen magazines or a semi auto carbine a bad idea. This is not a 3rd world country where deadly threats literally lurk around every corner; it's the USA, and your chances of ever needing to use a firearm in self defense are really pretty low,
unless you frequent sketchy parts of town at the wrong hours, in which case your overall judgement and motives for carrying may be questionable (again, occupational requirements notwithstanding, it suggests looking for a fight).
I personally think anything more than a practical CCW with a reload and maybe a BUG is gonna look bad in the eyes of investigators, grand jury and (quite possibly) jury of your peers. I don't buy the "good shoot is a good shoot, no matter what else" nonsense, because seldom is self defense that clear to investigating officers. The type of ammunition and gun(s) can and do enter into the equation.
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I am comfortable with a 5 shot revolver and no reloads when off duty.....I think there is a fine line between prepared and paranoid.
Vern Humphrey
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And IF I could get up in the morning and KNOW I wouldn't have an accident, I'd leave my seat belt unfastened.
IF I could KNOW on January 1st that I wouldn't have a house fire or similar disaster, I'd cancel my insurance.
But I DON'T know those things -- so I fasten my seat belt, carry a spare tire, have a fire extinguisher and smoke detectors in the house and pay my insurance. And I carry a gun.
MachIVshooter
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But in the spirit of Sam's eloquent and humorous analogy, do you drive your commuter car around with a full roll cage, wearing a 5 point harness, helmet and fire suit? Do you have redundant insurance policies in case one denies your claim? 3 smoke detectors in every room, plus two fire extinguishers, sprinklers and a halon system?
You can prepare well in excess of prudence. Sometimes doing so has no downside, but it usually does.
Sam1911
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Or ... four?
What I think I really most want to say is that there are many reasons folks decide to own firearms and several reasons why they decide to carry them.
"Because I can" is one that's often sort of humorously tossed around by our side, and it is true to a point. However, as cool as guns are and as much fun and as interesting, neat, fascinating, etc., it is critical that we never for a second lose sight of the fact that going armed in public is deadly serious business.
It isn't fun, it isn't cool, it isn't exciting. It is purposeful, it is responsible, it is reasonable and serious-minded. When being a responsibly armed citizen shifts into "how many guns and weapons can I walk around town with at once?" it smacks of frivolity and silliness. The same sort of James Bond (or nearly "Inspector Gadget" at this point!) fantasy role-playing that the antis accuse us of.
When you're heading out to the range for a day of plinking, it's perfectly reasonable to bring out your cool gun collection and enjoy yourself blazing away.
When you strap on a concealed weapon it should be with the same sense of responsibility and dutiful purpose with which you'd buckle your seat belt, check your smoke detector batteries, renew your insurance policies, or put on a life jacket when stepping onto a boat. Not fun or glamorous or cool. Just responsible duty to be ready to protect you and yours in the event of catastrophe.
If you can honestly say you buckle on four concealed firearms because you're soberly preparing for legitimate threat levels. ... ... ... well, golly. That's something.
tactikel
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I can see a primary weapon and a backup-mouse gun. You may be better served with a good quality knife, a collapsable baton, and mace spray rather than 2 additional firearms.
Having 4 levels of response can be more valuble than having lethal response x4.
If you ever are involved in a shooting I can guarantee the fact that you had 4 firearms and reloads will be brought up in court.
Having 4 levels of response can be more valuble than having lethal response x4.
If you ever are involved in a shooting I can guarantee the fact that you had 4 firearms and reloads will be brought up in court.
Lj1941
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I never saw the need for more than my carry weapon and one mag or speed loader for a reload depending on which weapon I have at that particular time. If that is not enough, I am in serious do doo.
Since the first Awerbuck was so wildly popular, here's another:
"You have to figure out what works for you, I don't want the responsibility."
If someone thinks they need (or just wants) four guns, I won't presume they don't.
Heck, I don't even know if it's a good thing.......or not, that there are x spurts here to tell someone what they should carry.
peace on you
"You have to figure out what works for you, I don't want the responsibility."
If someone thinks they need (or just wants) four guns, I won't presume they don't.
Heck, I don't even know if it's a good thing.......or not, that there are x spurts here to tell someone what they should carry.
peace on you
Vern Humphrey
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You're not too far off there. Most new cars have:
1. An energy-absorbing collapse zone.
2. Front airbags
3. Side airbags
4. Seat belts
5. Automatic engine cutoff which activates when the airbags fire
6. Automatic seat belt release, which activates when the airbags deflate
7. Automatic door unlock, which activates when the seat belts unlock.
8. Satellite phone system which alerts a central office when the airbags deploy.
And no one calls that overkill.
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Birmingham is a rough town. When I lived closer to the city, I carried a full size gun and a pocket gun with reloads for both. As well as pepper spray, 2-3 knives, and bright flashlight. I wear a bit lighter out in the rural parts.
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