How many of you guys have actually had to use your gun in public?

[hockeybum]

i cant buy a pistol for a couple of years... but my dad would buy it for me , only conditions are it stays in his room

 

[Claude Clay]

DarbyD

i'm from the government, i'm here to help you.

2 friends of mine from the XXX police dept both told me a long time ago: you do not want us to come out and start a report. ( i wish i could make the '.' bigger)

 

[TooTaxed]

I had Post #2 above, the story about unknowingly dating a fellow's ex-wife. I was asked in Post #12 whether I dated the woman again...sure did! It added excitement for me. We kept a watch for the fellow...even did car switches with friends the first couple of times (parked, went into a store, serupticiously switched keys with a buddy, sneaked out the rear and used his car, which I returned the next day). But I never saw him again and we didn't get serious. I think he quit bothering the woman's other dates, also.

 

[Norm357]

Yeah, I was kinda famous for a while here in Atlanta.

I had to use a firearm twice in a a matter of 3 months in 97.

I used to work third shift for the local stop and rob. Store policy said the we made the daily deposit at 0500 in the banks night deposit box. (I understand that this policy has been changed.) One morning when I was making the drop, a man stabbed me in the back with a screwdriver. I shot him three times from the fetal position. The only reason I didn't lose a kidney is that I am a fat arse. As it stands, I have a nasty scar.

Three months later, the Sunday after Thanksgiving, I was selling some lady a pack of smokes, when this guy came into the store. He went to the back, got a 18 pack of Bud, and started walking tothe front of the store. When I told him that I could not sell beer after midnight, he pulled a gun from his front pocket. I pulled my gun and shot him. Turns out his gun was not loaded. Sux to be him.

The Cops and the Clayton County D.A. were great! I cannot speak highly enough about them. The first shooting was "No True Billed" and the second never went to court. The entire time, the D.A.s office kept me updated with what was going on, and the Cops kept an extra eye on me at work and at home.

I got another job shortly after the second shooting.

 

[gaowlpoop]

Reading these posts brought back an incident that happened to me about 30 years ago. My wife and I had just bought some raw land in the outback of LA (that’s Lower Alabama). We went out one day to try and clear a driveway into the land. I parked our car on the paved road right of way and left the trunk and doors open. We also had our first 3 babies with us. Anyway, we had been working for a while when I noticed a car load (3 or 4) of scum bags drive by slowly with all eyes on our car. They caught my attention and I did not think they saw me. I slipped out to the edge of the road and found that they had pulled in to a dirt road about 100 yards down the road and were very intently looking back at the car. I moved out to my car and retrieved my 38 from under the front seat and then went back in the woods where I could watch them. About 30 seconds later, they went on down the road and I never saw them again.

I do not know if they figured out that I had retrieved a weapon from the car or if it was just the fact that their was someone around that sent them on their way but I was glad they did.

 

[cyclist]

....

 

[30 cal slob]

yeah, it sucked but i went home alive and not sued and not in jail.

 

[MakAttak]

Cyclist,

Actually, I believe you can OWN a handgun at 18 and purchase from private parties. You are not allowed to purchase a handgun from a retail store until you are 21. Of course as I am already over 21, I am not as sure of the laws as they no longer apply to me and it will be more than 21 years before I have to worry about children becoming 21.

 

[RTFM]

An interesting read about his self defence shooting of two Gangsta Disciples gang members in October 1998.
While Roadrep has removed his post from Glocktalk the thread lives on else where (it is the Internet...)

http://p207.ezboard.com/Self-Defens...fccwnebraskafrm7.showMessage?topicID=70.topic

Posted by RoadRep on GLOCKTALK 01-09-2003. copy and pasted here.

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A guy and his lady friend are walking down a street after eating a nice steak dinner on Friday night. The area is busy and the only parking available was a nice walk away, not a problem on a beautiful October night.

So the guy, who has had a lot of firearms courses notices a van slowly driving the other direction on the street. The guy notices the deep gurgling sound of the exhaust, but really doesn't think much of it. Then he notices a couple of thugs crossing the street; said GTer is uncomfortable because he and his lady friend seemed to get too much attention from the guys crossing the street. One of those "it just doesn't feel right" type of things.

So the couple continue walking toward the parking garage, when the GTer notices the gurgling sound of that van slowly passing by them. Then the GTer, who regularly uses windows to watch his 6, notices the two thugs that crossed the street coming up behind them. One of the thugs is clearly holding his right hand suspiciously around his belt buckle area. Then said GTer notices the van stopped on the side of the street just ahead and the 2 thugs behind them are getting closer.

GTer tells his lady friend that they are going to duck into any open business they see, but there were not any available. Just as they were coming up on the van, 2 ****-eaters jump out of the van and block the sidewalk. Gter draws his Kimber .45, and moves to engage the thugs 5 feet behind them; the intention was to go to low ready and size up the situation. The two from the van did not appear to be armed and one behind them was already spotted as armed.

So GTer turns and starts to shout at the two thugs on foot when the armed one begins to pull a revolver (SW .38 special). GTer, had the jump because the thugs in the rear did not see him remove his pistol from his daytimer style carry (they had been where alcohol was sold, but he did not drink).

The GTer always, always, always shoots failure drill at the range and trains at least twice a month.

As the BG #1 pulls the pistol, the GTer puts two rounds COM and moves up and puts one in the eye area. There was absolutely no reaction to the chest shots in the BG. The second thug turns to his falling comrade and tries to get his pistol, as GTer puts 2 slugs in his COM and one in the side of the head, GTer didn't know he hit BG #2 with the first 2 rounds. The second thug didn't have time to get turned around to face GTer, and didn't go down from the two to the chest, so said GTer puts one is the side of his head. Both third shots, at 5 feet, were very messy. Luckily for GTer, the second thug did get his hands on the pistol (a fact that would greatly help him in the future). So after the two in the rear were neutralized, GTer turned to check on the two from the van who had started moving his way. When GTer turned to engage them, gun at low ready, they turned and ran to the van got in and the van sped off.

The thugs were linked to other rapes and 2 abductions of similar method, and had sheets as long as your arm. (funny how that wasn't admissable in court) The thugs from the van looked more pissed than scared, and GTer would encounter them later in life. Turns out they were members of the Gangsta Disciples. The Gangsta's don't take lightly to seeing their bro.s being shot down in the street.

The aftermath: Said GTer was charged with manslaughter (the jury was given other options too) and was found not guilty by a jury of his peers. Deliberations took less than 3 hours. Some of the city council PERSONS believed that failure drill represented too much force and GTer should have not made the last shot on the guys. Of course, if he had not made the third shots in the failure drill, the thugs would be alive today. So city council PERSON, pressures the DA and viola, the decision is made to charge him.

The cost to GTer to stay out of prison was $18,000+. That works out to be $3k per shot, or $9k per bad guy.

The situation doesn't often end as well in his dreams, as it did in real time, but he never can quite get it behind him. He carries a strange sense of guilt.

The girlfriend that GTer was trying to protect, broke up with him 3 weeks later. She just never could get over it and could not understand the violent nature of his counterattack. She dumped him, which broke his heart, but she was a very good witness for his defense, and for that he is eternally grateful.

The follow up encounters (turns out during a trial, it isn't hard to get the home address of the defendant) with the Gangsta Disciples were a little better; and no charges were placed in those instances.

Sorry if GTer wasn't armed with and AK, but then they would never have picked us to attack.

The morals of the story: Live with what happened, or with what may have happened- his girlfriend being abducted..... It is better to be tried by 12.... When the SHTF, you fall back on your training in automatic mode. So train well and often.

*pause*

I didn't mean to hijack this thread, but greg brought it up. I started out telling it in third person because I really don't want to sound like I am proud of it or bragging and I don't mean to be. I did what I had to do and was vindicated.

Yes it did happen. October 1998. The whole thing exhausted a lot of my savings, and some credit card debt that has since been paid for. The PD Commander on the scene allowed me to go home that night and to come in the following week with a lawyer to make a statement. Everything was clear and obvious to them that night, some officers even commended me.

My initial intentions were to confront them while in the low ready, and hopefully shout them off. As I turned around, the guy had his hand on his gun and was pulling it. I am sure that if he had seen my gun sooner, he would have it pointed at me. And there is the possibility that he drew because he saw mine, but had he stuck his hands up or ran off, I would not have shot. That and their priors convinced the PD that I had acted properly. There were 3 witnesses approaching from behind the van ****-eaters that saw what the van did, and the whole thing. They told the police that night, I had to do it. When they blocked us in, I had no choice but to act.

I was handcuffed and locked in a patrol car for a while, where I puked up that fine steak I had just eaten. Odd feeling when it is over.

The DA prosecuted under political pressure. I did not spend any time in jail, because it was only after the political pressure did the DA decide to prosecute. I surrendered and had bail arranged before we went in. The PD were really nice to me, and they even indicated they thought I was getting a ****ty deal. The Assistant DA that handled the case did not seem to be too interested in getting a conviction. The investigating officers were better witnesses for me than the state. She (assistant DA) allowed my lawyer to seat my dream jury (some code words there) and she let him get some stuff out. At one time my attorney indicated that she wasn't pushing it because of the way she conducted herself.

Girlfriend: Leslie was a nurse and one of those "I could never hurt anyone" types; I am a nurse and we heal...blah blah blah. Another long story. She did not know I was armed that night, or most nights we were together. I found out early that she didn't warm up to guns, so I didn't push it. No huge loss, the timing is what hurt. With all else going on, the last thing I needed was her breaking up. It was not until the trial that I really knew what she would do on the stand. What she did on the stand was enough to settle it for me. I hold no grudges against her, never did. But I won't date another nurse.


As far as the terminal ballistics of the .45. In classes my failure drill from concealed holster generally run in the 1.5 to 2 second area. I doubt any handgun caliber will create adequate results in less than two seconds. I just opened up like I had trained to do. I was going with the 3rd shot, unless the guy was on the ground out of it. When I say there was no reaction to the first two rounds, I meant his head was still where I expected it to be. I never have planned to stop and fully asses the vital signs of an attacker. My plan has always been to do the failure drill if the pumpkin was there and it was. It all happens so fast, you wouldn't believe it.

Since I was innocent, I can still carry.

As for the follow up visits from the Gangstas, I prefer not to get into that right now. Very long ugly stories. On 2 possibly 3 (the 3rd I spotted them and called the police and kept riding around the parking lot, the police came and ran them off so I don't know what their intentions were or if they were there to visit me) different occasions there were young gentlemen waiting for me when I got off work, once was an attempt to kick in my front door while I was home. I highly recommend the Remington 870.

I moved after the initial incident, and the phone company messed up and my 'unlisted' number got listed. So I moved again. A Lt. with the gang squad said that after a while, the membership would turn over to the point they would forget about me. That officer was at my trial and alerted me to potential retribution. There were a Gangstas at my trial. Relatives of the deceased I guess. I currently live in another city with an unlisted number. It has been 4 years, so I hope the follow up visits will cease. Everyday when I step out to get in my vehicle, I stop and scan the parking lot real good. My experiences have served to give me an edge and to keep me on my toes, and to keep me awake at night. Better than the alternative.


If I may offer one piece of advice to anyone who will listen:

If you are ever involved in a shooting, resist all urges to look at the guy after he is down. Move out of the area, and don't ever look at them. You want to remember them as a threat, not as a corpse.

Thanks for letting me get if off my chest.

*pause*

Just don't say a word after it happens. Tell the officers you will cooperate, but you are in no condition to make a statement. Every word you say will cost you money.

If you are in the right, and it was a good shoot, you won't have much of an attorney fee. Just for one to meet with you and go in to make a statement. Your range will probably know a good lawyer for this purpose.

I would be willing to be most pro gun lawyers will allow you to pay as you can.

My problems came from politics. Basically, a Democrat council woman did not like the idea of me engaging her constituents. Other than that, the PD would not have recommended charges. I thought I was free and clear until an investigator called me and told me what was going on. He suggested I retain a lawyer and to give him, the officer, the lawyers name so we could arrange a time for me to come in and surrender myself. That made it a lot smoother.

Cooperate with the PD as much as possible. If it is obvious your shooting was just, they won't push you for any answers. In fact, they may even suggest that you not say anything without a lawyer present.

The officers on the beat sees what happens to victims and are usually glad when the intended victim gets the upper hand.

 

[Clipper]

Cyclist, you're making a mountain out of a molehill. When I was 20, I got a job with a security outfit as an armed guard. I went with my BIL to the police, both of us got permits to purchase, and HE bought the new pistol FROM THE DEALER...We then went to the police station, told them that he wished to sell me the pistol, and they simply circular-filed his paperwork, and registered the pistol to me, all nice and legal. I just did this a couple of years ago when Kel-Tec P3ATs were still hard to find. I already had one, and my wife wanted one, so when I came across one, I bought it, and simply took her with me to the sheriff's office and they filled out the registration in her name.

Before you start ranting, you should know what you're talking about...

 

[cyclist]

Thanks MakAttak. Then if that's the case he just has to avoid the strawman dance.

30 cal,
Didn't read your post, but being home alive and not sued and not in jail is always a good way to end any day.

 

[jackstinson]

All of these stories are the same, the firearm is brandished and the BG's bolt it.

Actually, these words are why a lot of us don't talk or write about such incidents happening to us. Around here if it is simply "the firearm is brandished", that could get ME put in jail and the bad guy can sue. I can legally carry because I have a permit, but I can't legally pull the handgun out unless I can prove that my life is threatened. Not that my property or my money is threatened; that my life is threatened. Now perhaps I have or have not used the visible presence of my gun to thwart a thug, but I'm not going to write about it here.
"Brandishing" is illegal in many places. So some of us adopt a "don't ask, don't tell" philosophy with the local LEO's....and most especially on public internet forums.
Jack

 

[cyclist]

Cyclist, you're making a mountain out of a molehill.

But I like mountains

Before you start ranting, you should know what you're talking about...

In today's political climate it pays to be cautious. I asked questions before I started "ranting". But I'll stop now, asked my questions, stated my concerns, not my direct business, so I'll just step out of this one.

Have a nice day. I think I'll go play with bicycles now.

 

[novaDAK]

Cyclist,

Actually, I believe you can OWN a handgun at 18 and purchase from private parties. You are not allowed to purchase a handgun from a retail store until you are 21. Of course as I am already over 21, I am not as sure of the laws as they no longer apply to me and it will be more than 21 years before I have to worry about children becoming 21.

In most states, that is correct. Some states have further restrictions, limiting even possession to 21+.

In VA, we're one of the states where there is no further restriction on age. My father gave me a pistol on my 18th b-day