How many states require notification?

[we are not amused]

False Arrest by Fairfax Cops

He notified when it wasn't required. Tell me, what did that get him?

Hopefully a nice chunk of change from the unlawful arrest suit!

I like the Judge!

I have never heard that Hollow points might be illegal
Perhaps a handy map to point out where such backward uncivilized areas are would be nice.

 

[Deanimator]

I have never heard that Hollow points might be illegal

Only even partially so in New Jersey, definitely not at all in Virginia.

 

[MEHavey]

I'm still going to tell the officer.
Professional courtesy to someone who is extremely vulnerable to surprise attack during even the most routine encounters--w/ stats to prove it.

To date, my three encounters have been civil and professional.

 

[we are not amused]

Only even partially so in New Jersey, definitely not at all in Virginia.

Yeah! I've been doing a little research. New Jersey is the only place stupid enough to even partially ban them. Even the few Concealed carry permit holders can't use them, but the cops can. Yet everyone seems to have them, and they are not restricted in sales.

Ought to be a fair bit of change for the victim in the Fairfax case.

 

[ChileRelleno]

1) There are states where you aren't legally required to tell an LEO you're carrying a gun?
2) Even if blatantly asked, there's no penalty for lying?

3 ) Why? How could anyone possibly think that's a good idea?

4) Damn cop-killer-friendly states.

1) Yeah, imagine that.
Avoids a lot of hassle with illegal/unconstitutional Search & Seizure.
Avoids a lot of LEOs fumbling around with unfamiliar firearms, too much likelihood of a ND.
See and hear about such all the time..
Avoids the numerous overzealous/paranoid and otherwise unstable LEOs from becoming a danger to their fellow Citizen(s).
See and hear about such all the time.

2) Apparently it is perfectly legal for LEOs to lie to their fellow Citizens about anything they wish. Even when Citizens directly ask about laws/regulations & Rights pertaining to their situation.
We the Citizens lie to a LEO and we likely get charged with Obstruction and any of numerous other catch-all charges they can possibly think of.

3 ) WHAT? How could anyone think that the above reasoning is a bad?

4) :banghead: That is one of the most asinine statements I've heard in awhile.

 

[ChileRelleno]

We have a number of rights that benefit nobody, and make things far worse for many; yet we still have them. You can cite the right to do something all you want, and it isn't going to justify doing it.

When you, someone else or I say the word 'Rights', I automatically think of the Rights enumerated to us via the Constitution & BoR.
Everything else is merely everyday activity taken for granted, or a 'Privilege' given and then regulated via law/regulations.

So... Which enumerated 'Rights' benefit nobody, make things far worse or are Unjustifiable?
So... Which lawful 'Privileges' benefit nobody, make things far worse or are Unjustifiable?
1A, 2A, 4A? Others?
Driving a car?
etc etc etc...

Which? I ask in sincerity.

 

[Carl N. Brown]

TN used to be a notify state. When the handgun carry permit law was first in effect, we were told to present the handgun carry permit with drivers license when asked for ID by an officer. I believe LE decided they did not want or need to know on first encounter if a permit holder was legally carrying. I was told the rule is now, don't present the THCP or volunteer that there is a gun in the car unless the officer specifically asks.

Most anonymous encounters with the police work out if you keep your hands in open view, make no furtive movements, and show and expect respect, due process, fair play .... and then there's Canton, home of the mudders and magistrate Higgins.

 

[Zoogster]

Police should assume anyone is armed until the prove to themselves otherwise.
A law that requires notification provides them no real extra protection, but can in some situations endanger the informer.
Sometimes exclaiming you have a gun is not the ideal course of action when dealing with LEO. Sometimes it is an appropriate course of action to inform them.
A general encounter that will soon be over with both of you going on your ways without anyone uncovering the firearm, as in most routine traffic stops, is not the time to suddenly make a LEO mentally focused on you being armed.
Every LEO reacts differently, some are fine with it, with some you may earn brownie points, and with others it can illicit a paranoid mental demeanor or worse.
There is also the chance for mis-communication. For example I certainly wouldn't want one cop to inform his partner you have a gun, and his partner to misinterpret it as a call for help from an armed threat. More than one cop has pulled his weapon or ended a threat after hearing "He's got a gun" from another cop.

 

[Mike1234567]

Police should assume anyone is armed until the prove to themselves otherwise.
A law that requires notification provides them no real extra protection, but can in some situations endanger the informer.
Sometimes exclaiming you have a gun is not the ideal course of action when dealing with LEO. Sometimes it is an appropriate course of action to inform them.
A general encounter that will soon be over with both of you going on your ways without anyone uncovering the firearm, as in most routine traffic stops, is not the time to suddenly make a LEO mentally focused on you being armed.
Every LEO reacts differently, some are fine with it, with some you may earn brownie points, and with others it can illicit a paranoid mental demeanor or worse.
There is also the chance for mis-communication. For example I certainly wouldn't want one cop to inform his partner you have a gun, and his partner to misinterpret it as a call for help from an armed threat. More than one cop has pulled his weapon or ended a threat after hearing "He's got a gun" from another cop.

While I would agree, if bad guys would "notify", but they will not. This brings us back to your statement, "Police should assume anyone is armed until the prove to themselves otherwise."

 

[zxcvbob]

We have a number of rights that benefit nobody, and make things far worse for many; yet we still have them. You can cite the right to do something all you want, and it isn't going to justify doing it.

To a civilian, the law was an inconvenience and another example of unfair targeting.

To an LEO, the law was the ability to be proactive about my safety, and to punish people who try to endanger my life and the lives of my brothers.

You decide what's more important for yourself.

Have a good day guys.

Your partner (I assume you're a LEO) is much more likely to shoot you than is an ordinary citizen with a carry permit. Draw from that whatever conclusions you will...