How marijuana gets into the U.S….

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Yep. Retire one marijuana thread and start another...by someone with one prior post by the way. Nothing about guns, mind you. If gun owners were to be portrayed as dope heads and anarchists, there would be some evidence. I too have a number of interests which I won't share here, because they have absolutely no relation to gun issues.

I am not a moderator. Knock yourselves out, but I can express an opinion that THR has turned in questionable direction that I find increasingly alienating to an older phart. Okay, so many don't like the WOD. Yes, I have tried MJ in my misspent youth. Next subject, preferably more about guns. It's one thing to object to govt control and another matter entirely to endorse use of this poison, breaking the law in the process. Change the laws, maybe. Break the laws, give up your guns. The two subjects are not very compatible, once moving beyond misguided govt control efforts.

I object to focusing on user prosecution. However, making light of being a user is not cute. Using may be a private decision but it is still a vice, hardly essential, and it is against the law. Change the law perhaps...ignore the law...not cool. IMO being a user means that guns and freedom are not a priority. Actually, valuing getting high over all else would call ones whole program into question.
 
No real argument, RealGun, but consider this: A very large part of the War on Guns has stemmed from the War on Drugs. The turf wars of the drug gangs, with the drive-by shootings, has been a large part of the emotional perceptions of crime and causation. Add to this the muggings and burglaries to get the money to buy Black Market drugs and you can see why there is resentment.

I really doubt that all that many here are all that pro-drug; we're mostly anti-methodology of the so-called War on Drugs. There are many ways to fight the drug problem without trampling all over the Bill of Rights.

Art
 
Vietnamese Gangsters with mac 10s!

yes , i had the pleasure of viewing a mini machine gun in CA several years back-
besides choppers there are also tons of backpackers running across the border.
british columbia commercial weed is grown by the ton it seems, and all by a vietnamese mob that carries lots of guns.
the quality is mediocre, the prices ultra low

we went to go get something and one guy handed the (uzi? mac 10? i dunno for sure) to his buddy.
i had never seen weapons around herb before, never necessary in that crowd.
so i ask guy "you really need that?" he says "my best friend- shot and killed," and goes on to list a few more dead people.
these guys are serious,
and only in it for the money

i dont like it. BUY California!!!
 
Around here the vast majority comes from Canada, you know, the OTHER porous border that noone seems to worry about because those criminals blend in so much better.
 
Change the law perhaps...ignore the law...not cool.
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People are trying to change the law, and especially with this recent supreme court ruling, it ain't working. As easy as it is for you to say, it ain't a matter of just going out and "changing the law". There's nothing "not cool" civil disobedience.

IMO being a user means that guns and freedom are not a priority.
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Uhm, what? That makes no sense at all.
 
I haven't been able to find the map on the Internet but here's the news story anyway. It would be interesting to overlay the "blue/red" county map from '04 over the pot usage map of the US.

Who says pot doesn't make you stupid?

Tim
 
I wouldn't be surprised if the U.S. Border Patrol helps smuggle it into the U.S.
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Why, because the USBP catches more pot in a month than most departments will seize in years? I saw an evidence locker in a Tucson sector station that had tons, literally thousands of pounds, of pot stacked shoulder-high. There was 1300 lbs that came from a single vehicle.

Yep, there's some bad apples, but they get caught before long.
 
Dunno how I missed Man Of The Forest's "I wouldn't be surprised if the U.S. Border Patrol helps smuggle it into the U.S."

Seems to be in the running for some sort of award for "Gratuitous Insult of the Week". We know that no group is 100% perfect, and the accusation has indeed been made, but it's too rare an event to casually toss off as some ordinary expectation, a generality about the entire group. Not a lot different from some foolishness like "I wouldn't be surprised if the Forest People help poachers."

Art
 
How marijuana gets into the U.S….

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I thought to post this thread after reading a pretty crazy article in this months playboy mag where the reporter gained access (don't know how) to the inner workings of a huge Canadian smuggling operation. The shop brings in about $20 million in profits per year (1 driver was making $100K per month…just sick). They talk about using helicopters to bring in hundreds of pounds at once, which is actually a pretty smart idea (being that the U.S. can’t patrol the entire border.) Any1 else read this yet?

- J

That article is a joke. Marijuana dealers don't smuggle using helicopters. That's Hollywood and along with other stuff he says, makes me think the author made the whole thing up. Marijuana is bulky and a helicopter would be a horrible way to move any weight at all. Most marijuana gets hauled across the border in tractor trailer rigs and personal cars, but that is kind of boring. Helicopters are exciting.

And, I interview marijuana, cocaine, and meth couriers all of the time. None of them, repeat none of them, are not making $100,000 a month. They are generally throw away people, who are desperate and need money so bad they will haul the stuff for a lot less than that. Dope dealers know that couriers, like dope, is going to get caught from time to time, so you don't have anyone too important or irreplacable in the organization doing the driving.

That article is a good reminder that while you can't libel or defame anyone, there is no law that says what someone writes has to be true. When it comes to Playboy, just stick with looking at the pictures of naked women. :)
 
I have known of people growing it on farms alongside their regular crops. I knew of a set up where a person used a pneumatic press to compact the stuff down.
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and here I thought I was the only one... :p

just drive down the road on any cool, humid, summer night, and take a good sniff... :uhoh:
 
Look, I can't prove this, but I hear that marijuana comes into the country as seeds stuck to the shoe treads of illegal immigrants,,,,,,,,,,,,,, :evil:
 
Why, because you noticed that THR displays a lot of interest in acquiring and using drugs? Great image for gun owners
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I don't see a whole lot of THR members advocating the use of drugs. I may be missing something. What I do see, and what I myself promote, is the freedom to use drugs. I won't go into the reasons for Yet Another Freaking Time, but I don't advocate their use. I advocate liberty, freedom, and the de-Nannization of government at all levels. It's your life - choose wisely, and reap what you sow.
 
My friends would always pick it up by the quarter pound and pound. It came bricked, literally, it was in the shape of, and had the density of a brick, they would have to literally peel strips of the junk off of it in order to sell. Since it was bricked like that, I could assume that it came in here, like most other drugs, in mass amounts. It was compressed like that in order to save space. In all likelyhood in the gastanks of large vehicles vacume packed in bags, which is much akin to how cocaine arrives here. There are endless places that you can stash pot in cars, especially when you have a U-haul at your disposal.

Most of the Really quality buds come from the west coast, where they are grown in hydroponic mini farms. I personally knew several people that were very into the cultivation aspect of the drug market. You had to be very careful though, as when you hook up several 1000 watt high pressure sodium lamps up in your home or where ever and leave them on for 4-8 hours at a time, your power bills Will skyrocket, which gives the feds or the local police enough to get a warrant, which, when you are growing that much illegal crap, a full blown police raid is definitely not a good thing.

Thats the way its always been, the crappy stuff comes from Mexico, in huge amounts, and the high grades either come from the north, i.e canada, or are grown here.
 
Silly, but believe me, its been done, many times. The thing is, they aren't talking about a small change. What needs to happen is a sudden and large incline in power usage. Also what some Narcotic units do is take a chopper equipped with certain gear that detects heat signatures and fly it over a suspected farm/house. If there is concentrated areas of heat in certain areas, thats enough to secure a warrant.

Another trick the police have used and still do is to park an undercover unit across the street from a growing shop, a place that sells lamps and all the material that you would need to start growing plants. The police write down the plate numbers and descriptions of anyone who they think looks out of place at a plant shop.

They then secure your address and put you on a list of all the other people suspected to be growing and moniter your power bills, etc etc...

All the tricks they have can be easily avoided however. What people I know would do is that they would turn off all, I mean, all the other devices in their houses that used electricity off, then they would turn their lamps on. Never would they have them both on at the same time.

As for the under covers outside of the plant shops, my buddies would simply have someone who isnt suspicious go in and buy them, i.e a friends mom who was cool with it all, or someone who had a clean record.

I'm not to sure about how to avoid the heat signatures, other than maybe having loads of AC units and layers upon layers of heat shielding material put up between the lamps and the house.
 
Oh and, for the record, I do not personally use, and have no affiliation with any form of illegal activities involving drugs. Maybe a couple of years ago, but with the USMC, you don't have much time to do that crap.

I am not encouraging anyone to go off and use, nor am I promoting distrubtion it at all. I simply have information regarding what the topic is based on.




Why, because you noticed that THR displays a lot of interest in acquiring and using drugs? Great image for gun owners

Realgun, no disrespect towards you or anything, but in reading through this thread, I noticed not one post asking about how to get or how to use drugs.

People are simply curious to how it gets in here thats all.
 
Does it seem silly to anyone else that a search warrant can be obtained because your power bill goes up?

Yes, it is silly, because it is not true. Unless there are a lot of other indicators that there is a grow operation, the fact that someone has a high power bill might just mean they are too lazy to turn off their lights.

But, I'll just let the dope growers keep trying to guess what those other indicators are.

And, it is refreshing to find so many people who don't use illegal drugs but just think they should be legalized on the general principle of the thing. ;)
 
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Silly, but believe me, its been done, many times. The thing is, they aren't talking about a small change. What needs to happen is a sudden and large incline in power usage. Also what some Narcotic units do is take a chopper equipped with certain gear that detects heat signatures and fly it over a suspected farm/house. If there is concentrated areas of heat in certain areas, thats enough to secure a warrant.
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NONSENSE. this WAS done TEN or 20 years ago.

then a federal judge in Oregon ruled this was not reason enough for a search.
a clothes dryer can send off enough heat.
these infrared sweeps are not happening ever since, they are a violation of privacy

3 computers on all the time use as much electricity as a 1000 watt light on a grow cycle. (HA! funny thing about that- which was it really that caused the brownouts in CA 2 years ago? the new computers or the new lights?)


TRUE= if someone reports you or cops have other reasons to suspect you, they may inquire of the power company as extra reason for a warrant- this was odne in LI NY quite some time ago, negihbors suspected, called police, police checked power bill.

BUT- if you think ANY power co. would snitch you off rather than collect all that $$$??? not in a million years.
 
Warrants based on infrared heat signatures were declared unconstitutional.

That doesn't convince me it isn't still being done though. :barf:
 
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