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How stupid are reporters and some law enforcement?

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by camslam, Feb 21, 2009.

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  1. camslam

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    Judge for yourself.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29309184

    When I read this story, 2 things jumped out at me. The way the reporter wrote it, you would think the gun sought these people out and shot them because it was believed to be a dreaded "assault rifle". Also just the fact that it was perhaps an assault rifle, it made it even worse. :banghead::rolleyes:

    Then you have this idiot police commander, and yes, I mean IDIOT, spouting off that its based on the guns that are on the street that these kids are dead.

    Uuummmm no, it is for plenty of other reasons, several of which Chicago and other urban areas exemplify in this here country of ours.

    Are there maximum IQ's that are required to be a reporter or spokesman for big city, metro, law enforcement these days? Somewhere in the range of 71 to 80?

    Judas priest I get tired of reading this crap. Just venting I guess.
     
  2. CB900F

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    Camslam;

    I agree. Demonize "the thing" with unrelenting propoganda. Achieve control by the state for political purpose. Those of us who are willing to examine some recent history can easily point to both a Fascist and a Communist govenment that adopted exactly those tactics. Neither of those two governments lasted very long in the greater scheme of things, but look at the damage that was done when they were active.

    People who say "It can't happen here!", are the ostriches who indeed are letting it happen now.

    900F
     
  3. Duke of Doubt

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    As gun reporting goes, this one isn't bad at all. Note that the reporter actually gave the reason why an "assault rifle" was believed used -- the shell casings. If .223 or 7.62x39, that's a good working hypothesis. I know, I know, "assault rifle" is a dumb term, and I've adopted the policy of using "para-military rifle" myself, but the term "assault-rifle" is used in most mass-media accounts of crimes involving para-military rifles.

    Believe me, I've seen much worse reporting on gun crimes.
     
  4. camslam

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    CB900F: I don't know if or when it will get to the point you are talking about, but I can tell you this.

    There IS going to be a major shooting at a school sometime this year, and WHEN that happens, the morons that sent a letter to Obama this last week about gun imports, http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=428967, will be out in force pushing for more stupid gun laws.

    Let's avoid making this a political thread, but the media, law enforcement, and a good majority of our elected leaders are all complicit in the lies that pervade this society about guns and their use.

    It is rare if ever I read quotes in support of the 2nd amendment and citizens rights to keep and bear arms, coming from any major urban law enforcement officials.

    Then, coupled with the yellow journalism of most of the media these days, you have a perfect "assault" on guns and their owners.
     
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    We all have, but this is just another example of blaming the weapon instead of the cause of the violence.

    Isn't it interesting that the ONLY weapons ever blamed for the ills of our society are guns. Nothing ever about knives, feet, fists, hands, bats, alcohol (with or without an accompanying vehicle), or drugs. None of those are remotely demonized on the level that guns are.
     
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    Maybe that's one of the reasons they have such crime to begin with.
     
  7. TexasRifleman

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    Don't fall for that. It's not stupidity. It is VERY much intentional use of those terms to promote an agenda of fear and control.

    They know very well what they say.
     
  8. dave from mesa

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    Agree. They're not stupid they have and agenda. Ever seen a pro gun news reporter? I think not.
     
  9. Old Fuff

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    The mass media (newspapers, TV, etc.) are all centered in urban areas, they are for the most part left of center (sometimes far left) and they all work on the theory that news should be used to promote their agendas and political viewpoints. This can be seen in both the way news is presented, and what news is presented. In any case when it some to firearms what they offer is pure propaganda. :barf:

    As for the reporters, generally those with urban backgrounds – which are the majority – don’t know beans about guns. They have absolutely no personal experience with them, and whatever the police department spokesperson tells them must be true. As for the police departments – most urban chiefs are uniformly in favor of the most extreme regulation of guns – and many other civil rights as well. The same can be said of mayors and city councils.

    There isn’t much we can do about this, beyond understanding what’s going on. The only good news I can suggest is that many of these urban newspapers are in serious financial trouble. They are losing both readership and advertising. Even the owners of the Chicago Tribune have filed for bankruptcy. Couldn’t happen to nicer people… :evil:
     
  10. Joe Demko

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    It is a puzzlement why, if the antis are so dumb and we are so smart, they have accomplished so much of their agenda; whereas we are almost always concerned with regaining lost ground.
    I don't like the anti agenda, and I know many of you enjoy heaping invective on them, but it is always a mistake to underestimate your enemy.
    The leading antis are most assuredly not stupid. They may be ignorant of technical matters relating to guns, but that is ignorance rather than stupidity.
    There may be stupid people supporting them among the general populace. I daresay we have more than a few on our side.
    Focus, people. You are not in conflict with morons. You are in conflict with people who are quite savvy in the ways of politics and swaying public opinion. They are well funded, they are intelligent, and they have an agenda they want to enact. They are quite content to accomplish it long-term and one little piece at a time.
    Respect your enemy's capabilities and learn how best to counter them.
     
  11. Duke of Doubt

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    The Chicago Tribune is a pretty conservative paper for an urban daily. It's the Chicago Sun-Times which is left of center. Remember, it was the Tribune that went after hoplophobe Blago big-time after he tried to punish them financially for their coverage of his misdeeds.
     
  12. 230RN
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    Because we are essentially a bunch of amateurs and hobbyists aligned against a cadre of full-time, salaried, eight-hour-a-day professional anti-gunners.

    Big secret, though, so don't pass it around.

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  13. Old Fuff

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    I haven't ever been accused of underestimating the opposition; at least I hope that’s the case. Over the years I have dealt with enough of them to fully understand where they are coming from.

    The urban media I eluded to pushes not just gun control, but in general the whole left-wing agenda of qusi-socialism. The reporters I mentioned may be termed “ignorant,” or “dumb,” (whatever) but the way they present or censor news is deliberate, and in keeping with left-of-center urban dogma.

    As for winning or loosing – I would point out that in recent years we haven’t done so badly. All but two states now have some form of licensing individuals so they can carry concealed weapons, and of the rest, two don’t have any legal restrictions at all. While it’s early in the game, the Heller decision will likely prove to be a major milestone. On the other hand the next 4 years may be iffy, but I would note that there is very, very little public support for more gun controls. On the other hand it is unlikely that we will be able to reverse laws passed during earlier years, at least at the present time. It also appears to me that the urban media is loosing some of its influence as people turn to other sources for news.

    Bottom line: No, we shouldn’t underestimate what we are up against, but at the same time we shouldn’t overestimate what the other side can accomplish.
     
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    Agreed. It is the stupid morons that keep voting these people in that are the problem. Look at where our country is and if you can tell me with a straight face, either Republicans or Democrats have done well running our country in the last 100 years, I want to see it. Can anyone hear tell me 1, 2, or 3 things that Congress has done that have REALLY improved our country anytime in the last 40 years? I'm talking bottom line, base improvement on the function and quality of our country.

    Puzzle? No. Mystery? No. It could take all day to list the number of issues, events, or initiatives the media has pushed for decades that are bogus, agenda driven, crap. With all due respect to the populace of our country, it is a bunch of blind sheep being led wherever those in power (media) choose to lead them. This isn't a conspiracy theory alert, it is the plain truth.

    Especially as generations move forward, you have more people worried about what is going on with American Idol, Paris Hilton, Brittney Spears, and any other celebrity that you want to name, than they are about what is going on in our country.

    What was the voter turnout this year? Even in this "historic" election, the numbers were down. How many that voted were actually educated on the issues and KNEW what the candidates, local and federal, really stood for?

    How many people in this country can tell you the rules of Survivor, American Idol, The Amazing Race, and any other show on TV, but can't recite the Pledge of Allegiance, don't know who the Vice President is, who the Secretary of State, The Attorney General, The Speaker of the House, or what any of those positions even do?

    How many people in this country have actually read the Declaration of Independence or Constitution? Or even small parts of them? How many could name all 10 amendments in the Bill of Rights? Could many even get 4 or 5?

    HARDLY.

    It is no mystery, our country is in the crapper, gun rights are just one of the issues that are under attack, and until the people of this country pull their heads out of the arse's, we aren't going to see improvement.

    What you see in this article, in the media, and in the language of many of our elected leaders is the full manifestation of their ignorance, pride, and stupidity.

    I for one am sick of it.
     
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    "assualt rifle" can mean ANY rifle in media.
    "sniper" can mean ANY rifle in media.

    Seriously.
     
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    Like most of these stories, I think it's more a case of ignorance rather than stupidity. It's probably even more so ignorance driven than agenda driven. While the majority of urbanites have an "anti gun" mindset, most aren't as militant about it as say, Sarah Brady, or Paul Helmke or police officials who are beholddin to the politcal class. I believe for the most part, the attitude of journalists is more due to not having been brought up in a gun culture but having been brought up in a culture that is ignorant of them. Therein comes their mindset.
    What is the solution? Constant vigilance.........and education. NEVER let a teaching moment go by without your input.
     
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    Never underestimate ignorance as an explanation. Media reporting awful on many topics. Media coverage of the Iraq war by so-called "war reporters" got all the facts about everything military wrong as often as not. Every newspaper should hire a military vet as a reporter or editor, and let him review every gun story.
     
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    Definately premeditated inflamatory language, these articles are used to promote fear and outrage.
     
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    While news casters always use the term "assault rifle" for any kind of shooting.

    Any kind of firearm used to shoot, or shoot at, a person is an assault weapon, technically.

    Just some food for though.
     
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    Really? Isn't it interesting how often gun-free zones get lit up? There are varying degrees of damage, but let's not be naive enough to think that shootings at schools are a strange, infrequent event. Criminals and people know that there will be minimal if any resistance. These shootings happen every year and 2009 will be no different. The only thing undetermined is how bad it will be.

    I remember when Columbine hit and I was completely shocked, but now it is no longer shocking as a pattern has been established and when people are unarmed sitting ducks, this is the type of stuff that is going to happen.

    THANK GOODNESS PEOPLE ARE SAFE AT SCHOOLS BECAUSE THERE ARE NO GUNS ALLOWED! Can anyone say stupid, stupid, stupid?
     
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    This just goes to show how ineffective gun laws are, "assault rifles" are illegal to posses in chicago! Also, I'm still waiting for a definition of "assault rifle". Because I seriously doubt the weapon used was automatic, just scary looking!
     
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    Shootings

    There was in interview with a relative of one of those killed in the shooting and he stated that "he knew the lifestyle they were living would kill one of them, that they needed to get away and change". He didn't go into what that lifestyle was but my guess is gang or drug related.

    I've only seen the interview once on tv, since then it's all been, teens killed by assault rifle.
    The families have my sympathies but who's little darlings are out there shooting up the hood? They belong to someone, they're not being imported into their places.
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    Johnny: I don't know if the list is complete or comprehensive, but it is fairly eye opening when you look at the sheer number of events involving a gun at schools.

    It goes to the point I tried to make regarding gun-free zones and the stupidity that is associated with making them gun free.

    The article does not have me worked up, while I find it sad, pathetic, hilarious, disturbing, and alarming that our law enforcement and media can't find the truth from their butts, at the end of the day these articles have been around since the invention of the gun and the media, and they will be with us as long as both exist.

    I am worked up, and I am fed up, but that is with the current state of our country and the direction it is headed. There is no such thing as personal responsibility in our country any longer. I tried to buy my "gimme" shirt this weekend and they were all sold out. :barf:

    The lies, myths, misdirection, and deceit that have been a part of the economic breakdown, recession, numerous bailouts, handouts, and all around pity party are made up of the same misinformation that the opening article contained. Blatant lies, ignorance, and stupidity instead of the facts, and thinking before speaking or writing.

    The gun rights battle will continue, and our country will continue to circle the drain, so for now I say, keep fighting the good fight and do what you can.
     
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