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Got this from my Dad in AZ.

Think about it....makes a lot of sense.

I've been reading an old Time-Life series about ancient cultures (apparently nobody reads anymore, so I've picked up several complete sets of hardcover books in pristene condition, for free at my towns transfer station (a.k.a. dump)). After reading about the demise of ancient Greece in the Peloponisian wars (Greek against Greek), and then the break up of the Roman empire....this makes even more sense.

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We know Dick Lamm as the former Governor of Colorado. In that context his
thoughts are particularly poignant. Last week there was an immigration
overpopulation conference in Washington, DC, filled to capacity by many
of American's finest minds and leaders. A brilliant college professor by
the name of Victor Hansen Davis talked about his latest book,
Mexifornia," explaining how immigration - both legal and illegal - was
destroying the entire state of California. He said it would march across
the country until it destroyed all vestiges of The American Dream.

Moments later, former Colorado Governor Richard D. Lamm stood up and gave
a stunning speech on how to destroy America. The audience sat spellbound
as he described eight methods for the destruction of the United States.
He said, "If you believe that America is too smug, too self-satisfied,
too rich, then let's destroy America. It is not that hard to do. No
nation in history has survived the ravages of time. Arnold Toynbee
observed that all great civilizations rise and fall and that 'An autopsy
of history would show that all great nations commit suicide'"

Here is how they do it," Lamm said:

1. "First, to destroy America, turn America into a bilingual or
multi-lingual and bicultural country." History shows that no nation can
survive the tension, conflict, and antagonism of two or more competing
languages and cultures. It is a blessing for an individual to be
bilingual; however, it is a curse for a society to be bilingual. The
historical scholar, Seymour Lipset, put it this way: "The histories of
bilingual and bi-cultural societies that do not assimilate are histories
of turmoil, tension, and tragedy." Canada, Belgium, Malaysia, and Lebanon
all face crises of national existence in which minorities press for
autonomy, if not independence. Pakistan and Cyprus have divided. Nigeria
suppressed an ethnic rebellion. France faces difficulties with Basques,
Bretons, and Corsicans.".

2. Lamm went on: Second, to destroy America, "Invent 'multiculturalism'
and encourage immigrants to maintain their culture. I would make it an
article of belief that all cultures are equal That there are no cultural
differences. I would make it an article of faith that the Black and
Hispanic dropout rates are due solely to prejudice and discrimination by
the majority. Every other explanation is out of bounds.

3. Third, "We could make the United States an 'Hispanic Quebec' without
much effort. The key is to celebrate diversity rather than unity. As
Benjamin Schwarz said in the Atlantic Monthly recently: "The apparent
success of our own multiethnic and multi cultural experiment might have
been achieved not by tolerance but by hegemony. Without the dominance
that once dictated ethnocentricity and what it meant to be an American,
we are left with only tolerance and pluralism to hold us together." Lamm
said, "I would encourage all immigrants to keep their own language and
culture. I would replace the melting pot metaphor with the salad bowl
metaphor. It is important to ensure that we have various cultural
subgroups living in America enforcing their differences rather than as
Americans, emphasizing their similarities."

4. "Fourth, I would make our fastest growing demographic group the least
educated. I would add a second underclass, unassimilated, undereducated,
and antagonistic to our population. I would have this second underclass
have a 50% dropout rate from high. school."

5. "My fifth point for destroying America would be to get big
foundations and business to give these efforts lots of money. I would
invest in ethnic identity, and I would establish the cult of
'Victimology.' I would get all minorities to think that their lack of
success was the fault of the majority. I would start a grievance industry
blaming all minority failure on the majority population."

6. "My sixth plan for America's downfall would include dual citizenship,
and promote divided loyalties. I would celebrate diversity over unity. I
would stress differences rather than similarities. Diverse people
worldwide are mostly engaged in hating each other - that is, when they
are not killing each other. A diverse, peaceful, or stable society is
against most historical precedent. People undervalue the unity it takes
to keep a nation together. Look at the ancient Greeks. The Greeks
believed that they belonged to the same race; they possessed a common
language and literature; and they worshipped the same gods. All Greece
took part in the Olympic games. A common enemy, Persia, threatened their
liberty. Yet all these bonds were not strong enough to overcome two
factors: local patriotism and geographical conditions that nurtured
political divisions. Greece fell. "E. Pluribus Unum" -- From many, one.
In that historical reality, if we put the emphasis on the 'pluribus'.
Instead of the 'Unum,' we will balkanize America as surely as Kosovo."

7. "Next to last, I would place all subjects off limits; make it taboo
to talk about anything against the cult of 'diversity' I would find a
word similar to 'heretic' in the 16th century - that stopped discussion
and paralyzed thinking. Words like 'racist' or 'xenophobe' halt
discussion and debate. Having made America a bilingual/bicultural
country, having established multiculturalism, having the large
foundations fund the doctrine of 'Victimology,' I would next make it
impossible to enforce our immigration laws. I would develop a mantra:
That because immigration has been good for America, it must always be
good. I would make every individual immigrant symmetric and ignore the
cumulative impact of millions of them."

8. In the last minute of his speech, Governor Lamm wiped his brow.
Profound silence followed. Finally he said,. "Lastly, I would censor
Victor Hanson Davis's book Mexifornia. His book is dangerous. It exposes
the plan to destroy America. If you feel America deserves to be
destroyed, don't read that book."

There was no applause. A chilling fear quietly rose like an ominous cloud
above every attendee at the conference. Every American in that room knew
that everything Lamm enumerated was proceeding methodically, quietly,
darkly, yet pervasively across the United States today. Discussion is
being suppressed. Over 100 languages are ripping the foundation of our
educational system and national cohesiveness. Even barbaric cultures that
practice female genital mutilation are growing as we celebrate
'diversity' American jobs are vanishing into the Third World as
corporations create a Third World in. America - take note of California
and other states - to date, ten million illegal aliens and growing fast.
It is reminiscent of George Orwell's book "1984." In that story, three
slogans are engraved in the Ministry of Truth building: "War is peace,"
"Freedom is slavery," and "Ignorance is strength.".

Governor Lamm walked back to his seat. It dawned on everyone at the
conference that our nation and the future of this great democracy is
deeply in trouble and worsening fast. If we don't get this immigration
monster stopped within three years, it will rage like a California
wildfire and destroy everything in its path, especially The American
Dream.
 
How to destroy America?

If we don't get this immigration monster stopped within three years, it will rage like a California wildfire and destroy everything in its path, especially The American Dream.

Give in to this sort of dangerous rhetoric and create a "cure" that is worse then the "problem."

This sort of stance is pervasive in its "fear propoganda" and serves little purpose other then to incite radicalism. Is there an issue? "Yes." Is his offered timeline correct? "No." Does the diatribe sound like an absolutist fascist doctrine in its undertones? "You be the judge."

I'm torn in a variety of ways regarding this "Imigration Thing," but ad hoc panic caused by fear is NOT the answer.

His answer? Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated...

"That's crap."
 
4. "Fourth, I would make our fastest growing demographic group the least
educated. I would add a second underclass, unassimilated, undereducated,
and antagonistic to our population. I would have this second underclass
have a 50% dropout rate from high. school."

Regarding that, there's yet ANOTHER way that Mexico's slovenly government has been kicking the US in the wallet over that...in a way that will last a lifetime. How?

Candy.

Seriously. Google for news stories about Mexican candy and lead levels. Turns out that since their safety standards are so, so broken and corrupt there, that their candy manufacturing often gets enough lead levels into candy to actually cause permanent learning disabilities. Particularly anything made with tamarind pulp...the processing is third-world safety levels at best.

And a decent percentage of that candy is imported into the US, where, with higher wages, it's cheaper than it was 'at home', and so immigrant kids, who like it, can buy more of it. And they do...go in any convenience store in most of the southwest and you'll see lots of Mexican candy.

When it's caught, it's pulled off the shelves, but it's often not caught. And it's definitely not the poor kids' fault, they just want candy that's culturally familiar. The parents don't even know, when they're told, they generally look horrifed and start worrying, and forbid that any more be bought. It's just that ironically, even with the immigrants HERE, Mexico's sloppy government somehow manages to saddle us with yet another financial and cultural burden, that it's likely that a percentage of those kids will have or may already have lead-caused learning disibilities or other health issues, which will affect what careers are open to them. Someone with a serious lead-caused learning disability generally can't get out of the lower class, jobwise.

I just found it a particularly painful irony. Of course, have they BANNED all imports of Mexican candies into this country over the border till they stop making them in lead-contaminated pestholes of factories?

Course not.
 
Although there seams to be a somewhat harsh overtone to his speech, Lamm does raise some valid points. I know I have a strong feeling about this situation, unfortunately I don't know what to do about it. I don't like the idea that America is becoming so divided over this, though. :uhoh:

Anyone have any suggestions on a constructive way of dealing with this? I'm curious what our options are without destroying ourselves.
 
You boiled my entire post down into a single -- better written -- sentence!

"Nicely done."

Thanks! Seriously, though-as a young adult (I turn 29 tomorrow), my generation is going to be saddled with dealing with this problem full-force. Sadly, the vast majority of folks my age are too concerned with American Idol & K-Fed/Brittany, iPods, & X-Box. So unless this problem gets fixed in the here & now, I'm kinda screwed. There aren't enough people in my generation that give a hoot like I do.:banghead:

I'm trying to remain open to any ideas-I'm PO'd about the situation getting where it is, but on the same hand I'd like to do something constructive about it, rather than ranting as a Korpral in the Keyboard Komando Korps. Flying off the handle in joining in a racist course of action will only be counter-productive.

Folks, I believe that with all of our collective knowledge, a sound means of fixing this can be thought up. Yet even if we do figure out a means to do so, will Congress actually do anything about it. THAT is what I fear...:fire:
 
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The ninth way IMHO would be to vanquish the "American Culture" through abortion and euthanasia.
 
The ninth way IMHO would be to vanquish the "American Culture" through abortion and euthanasia.

I dunno ... as evil and vile as abortion is, you have to admit its prevented a lot of future Democrats from even being born :evil:
 
The ninth way IMHO would be to vanquish the "American Culture" through abortion and euthanasia.
Of course others among us might say that the ninth way would be to strip people of their by freedom and create a nanny state by legisltating someone personal morals or religious values to protect me from from myself (wheee, gimme some gun control and drug laws too) if I should for example decide I've suffered from cancer enough and would like to die.
 
Sigh ... so this topic surfaces yet again in another yet thread ... using this same speech yet again ... We've gone 'round and 'round on this before, folks, in so very many threads.
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=138641&highlight=Dick+Lamm+speech
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=130627&highlight=Dick+Lamm+speech
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=140488&highlight=Dick+Lamm+speech

Before everyone starts jumping on the Dick Lamm bandwagon, perhaps one should read more of Lamm's writings, in particular a book he wrote in the '90s, or check out some of his other speeches. Lamm's zero-sum viewpoint, facile pseudo-sociological analysis of our country's problems play well to those who don't understand the deeper socio-economic aspects of the situation and seem to me to present a view of people being only the problems, but never the problem-solvers. A realistic analysis? Not from where I sit.

however, it is a curse for a society to be bilingual.
Simply not true.
The historical scholar, Seymour Lipset, put it this way: "The histories of bilingual and bi-cultural societies that do not assimilate are histories
of turmoil, tension, and tragedy."
Without simply laughing off this preposterous statement Lamm uses out of context, one may note that the histories of all cultures in the world's history are histories of turmoil, tension and tragedy.
"Invent 'multiculturalism' and encourage immigrants to maintain their culture.
Um, actually, in our country's history, most immigrants have in fact attempted to maintain pride in their cultural heritage and customs. Gee, just last week I attended some of the Viking Festival events in "Little Norway," Poulsbo, Washington, and then spent a weekend in Washington's Bavarian village of Leavenworth ... Guess we only disrespect the Hispanics in this country for trying to maintain some cultural pride.
 
Yes Belgium and Switzerland are two of the most turmoil, tension and tragedy soaked nations I can think of.

The streets in Canada are running red with blood because the Quebecois insist on speaking that cheese-eating surrender-monkey lingo.

Actually I can't think of a multi-lingual industrialized democracy that has as much turmoil as some of the single-language ones like France and the recent riots and England and their intermittent mob scenes - or even ourselves. Probably more tension ridden here than Belgium I suspect...

Now of course if you extrapolate from Iraq's and Rwanda's ethnic civil wars and say that's all because they speak different languages then sure, but that hardly applies to a few street signs in Miami and some storefronts in LA in the hugely English-dominated US.
 
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Actually I can't think of a multi-lingual industrialized democracy that has as much turmoil as some of the single-language ones like France and the recent riots and England and their intermittent mob scenes - or even ourselves. Probably more tension ridden here than Belgium I suspect..
Well there's the Basque violence in Spain -- but that actually supports your position. The violence was caused (in part) by the Spanish attempt to create a single language/culture ... and it's died down since the Spanish allowed the use of Catalan and otherwise backed off in its "single culture" crackdowns.
 
Gee, just last week I attended some of the Viking Festival events in "Little Norway," Poulsbo, Washington, and then spent a weekend in Washington's Bavarian village of Leavenworth ... Guess we only disrespect the Hispanics in this country for trying to maintain some cultural pride.

Hang on a minute
Apples and oranges

If when you got home you kept speaking Norse, wore an steel hat with horns and dressed in furs then perhaps there is a parallel. Otherwise I think not.

Your weekend of diversion is not what we are talking about.

S-
 
Actually I can't think of a multi-lingual industrialized democracy that has as much turmoil as some of the single-language ones like France and the recent riots and England and their intermittent mob scenes - or even ourselves.

The ones that are rioting have two things in common: de facto socialism, by whatever name it's being called that day, and Arabic-speaking Muslim minorities that reject full assimilation.
 
Not so longeyes. Lived in England 22 years including when it really WAS socialist (the meaning of which is not really as fungible as people on the extreme right seem to think). Very little rioting when it was socialist (not making a causal connection for socialism=safe but instead refuting your assertion that socialism=riots) and next to no Arabic immigration.

By far the greatest part of UK immigration is from the Indian subcontinent and started in earnest after WW2 and Partition. That is largely Hindu but with some Muslim, Sikh, Zororastrian and so on (the first wave was even less Muslim as they could go to the nascent Muslim state of Pakistan). Their religion was largely unnoticed and inisgnificant up until the last ten years or so - relatively speaking very few mosques and so on are much older.

Race riots in England started with black (Carribbean mostly) ghettoes. Asian riots again are almost exclusively a creation of the last ten years, some 15-20 years after the UK started moving away from socialism and into a more modern and free economic nation. In part, this growing inequality of income has helped exacerbate issues to be honest.
 
This is just my personal opinion on the subject, so excuse me all to hell in advance for what I'm about to say.

Lamm's speech sounds, to put it bluntly, more than a slight shade of fascist. Fascist being defined as that which promotes fascism, a government system typefied by harsh social and economic control and often backed by belligerent nationalism.

Replace "America" with "Germany" in that speech, just for the sake of arguement, remove Lamm's name, and hand it to a friend. See who they think the author really is.

And as far as weekend recreation at Oktoberfest goes, we have to realize something. Just because you don't go home and wear lederhosen doesn't mean its not someone's culture.

If hispanics went home and spoke english to eachother and payed no nevermind to their culture except for a once-a-year festival that served Corona instead of Budweiser, would you be more comfortable with that?
 
I don't know what to do about it. I don't like the idea that America is becoming so divided over this, though.

The interesting thing about division is that you shouldn't worry about it--provided you're on the right side (the right side being, of course, the one whose assertions are demonstrated as fact throughout history, as opposed to being repeated as many times and with as much emotion as necessary until they are accepted).

If you're on the wrong side, worry about it. Otherwise, just fight against the wrong side, and you'll be fine.
 
This is just my personal opinion on the subject, so excuse me all to hell in advance for what I'm about to say.

Lamm's speech sounds, to put it bluntly, more than a slight shade of fascist. Fascist being defined as that which promotes fascism, a government system typefied by harsh social and economic control and often backed by belligerent nationalism.

Fascism has nothing to do with having secure borders and immigration policies that work. If it works, and no other approach does, what do you suggest we do? Take the incorrect approach, because it feels better? Oversensitivity is about the most self-destructive disorder of the mind, you know.

Replace "America" with "Germany" in that speech, just for the sake of arguement, remove Lamm's name, and hand it to a friend. See who they think the author really is.

This is what is called a loaded question: one that is intentionally misrepresenting the truth or forcing/encouraging a linear response in order to produce a biased result desired by the person asking the question, to support their agenda. It doesn't pass the smell test even from a mile's distance.

And as far as weekend recreation at Oktoberfest goes, we have to realize something. Just because you don't go home and wear lederhosen doesn't mean its not someone's culture.

If it is their culture, they shouldn't be here. If they prefer to wear lederhosen every day, there are countries where that sort of thing is considered appropriate and acceptable. The issue is not--and has never been--festivals and other such events. But you knew that before you loaded that statement.
If hispanics went home and spoke english to eachother and payed no nevermind to their culture except for a once-a-year festival that served Corona instead of Budweiser, would you be more comfortable with that?

Yes, of course. This would mean that they had been assimilated into American culture, which has been the productive approach all along. However, there would still be other problems to fix--exterior appearance/behavior and language use barely scratches the surface of the problem.
 
Low-Sci...

Oh, anyone who can't pay their own way and doesn't care to be Red, White and Blue through and through.
How's that?

Biker
 
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