How to destroy America

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So can you tell me who else shouldn't be here?

Oh, anyone who can't pay their own way and doesn't care to be Red, White and Blue through and through.
How's that?

You gotta love Biker: he's on the spot with helpful, succinct statements of such profound truth that his mere presence in a thread makes virtually unnecessary any further comment, other than those of praise for his viewpoint.

In simpler terms: Biker put it a lot better than I would have--but that's what I would have meant.
 
Lived in England 22 years including when it really WAS socialist (the meaning of which is not really as fungible as people on the extreme right seem to think).

Uh...yeah, sure. There's just one problem with your assertion:

(psst: England is socialist now. Socialism by any other name still oppresses citizens because of "majority opinion.")
 
You're right, I don't know where immigrants get the idea that they can just come here and live free.

Its as if someone hung out a sign that says "give me your poor, your tired, your huddled masses yearning to be free..."

Guess what we really meant by that was "give us your socially conforming, moderately well-off loose folks yearning to be free except not culturally speaking, of course." But that wouldn't fit on the plaque.
 
You're right, I don't know where immigrants get the idea that they can just come here and live free.

Its as if someone hung out a sign that says "give me your poor, your tired, your huddled masses yearning to be free..."

You're close; just change "free" to "freeloaders."
 
Some of you still don't get it. Instead of showering us with platitudes about how immigration has been historically good, and other multicultural idealistic stuff like that, please move to SoCal or AZ and see for yourself the damage done by the "huddled masses". L.A. is looking more and more like Mexico. Soon to come to your community, never you worry.

After you are done with the above, explain to us how many millions of the poor, ignorant, illiterates you would be able to absorb in the next 10 years with the currently formed idiotic policies. What do you think is going to happen when all social services and infrastructure collapse, while the region devolves in tribalism, gangs, and poverty? More taxes? More socialism? Secession? Where is the end?

I fear that nothing but the loss of the South West will be enough to shut up the detractors of rational measures today.
 
Oh, anyone who can't pay their own way and doesn't care to be Red, White and Blue through and through.
How's that?

I'd like to +1 that. "Hyphenated" Americans are a large contributor the culrural decay in America right now. No one wants to be American anymore. It's more fashionable to be African-American, Mexican-American etc. Problem being they celebrate the first half of their name and shun the latter. You should not be Mexican-American. You should be AMERICAN of Mexican decent. When you live here (and this is truly your home) it's 4th of July and Presidents Day, not Cinco De Mayo and Kwanza.

One more note. The Mexican flag has NO place on American soil.
 
Those here who don't like Mr. Lamm's speech should read "mexifornia."

It explains exactly why Mexican immigration is the problem it is.

The #1 reason is that Mexicans can easily cross an imaginary line and be in their homeland. All other immigrants to America are cut off from their homelands. What's more, with Mexico, there is a constant flow of imiigrants instead of one large group, one genration.

We can assimilate a large group of foreigners who arrive 10s of thousands all at once, and who are seperated from their homeland. We cannot assimilate millions coming through over decades whose homeland is right next to ours, whose language and culture is distinctly different from our own, and who have no common desire amongst them all to be American.
 
The Mexicans will be the end of America. Or will it be the Chinese? Or the Italians? Or the Irish? Or the French? Or the English? Or the Spanish? What does the woolly mammoth have to say on the topic?

~G. Fink
 
"give me your poor, your tired, your huddled masses yearning to be free..."

Yet a gift given must be accepted. A gift given is a still a part of an organized process. It's not an unruly invasion. Your quote does not say "Send us your poor whenever you feel like getting rid of them."

John
 
oh, and Phetro...

well spoken, for a new guy :)

mordechai, well spoken for an old guy :)

Biker, well spoken as always...
 
What about those Irish flags flying in front of those pubs all over America? Do they have a place?

No foreign flags, double citizenship, or any divided loyalties should have a place in a sovereign nationalistic self-respectful country that hopes to survive and prosper while being assaulted by globalists, international corporations, special interests, the UN, and the poor desperate mobs of the world. This is a country, not a shopping mall.
 
What about those Irish flags flying in front of those pubs all over America? Do they have a place?

Absolutely. There's a ferry heading west out of Liverpool several times a day to take you there. Just get there early. The minimum check in time is 1 hour and 15 mins.
 
CAnnoneer: After you are done with the above, explain to us how many millions of the poor, ignorant, illiterates you would be able to absorb in the next 10 years with the currently formed idiotic policies.
We've got a very real and very big problem with illegal immigration. But language, holidays and flags aren't pertinent.

The problem is one of economics and crime. Focus on that. The "EEK! Spanish" stuff just gives cover to those who would pretend there's not a problem -- it gives them an excuse to dismiss you as xenophobic (whether you are or not).

Focus on the economic problems. Focus on the crime.

CAnnoneer: No foreign flags, double citizenship, or any divided loyalties should have a place in a sovereign nationalistic self-respectful country that hopes to survive and prosper while being assaulted by globalists, international corporations, special interests, the UN, and the poor desperate mobs of the world. This is a country, not a shopping mall.
Pesky 1st Amt. ;)

Color me crazy, but I think we'll survive a few flags.

What about that Vatican flag at the front of my church, next to the American flag?
 
What about that Vatican flag at the front of my church, next to the American flag?

If you would like to celebrate a theocracy, why not be multicultural and put up Iran's as well?

But language, holidays and flags aren't pertinent.

It is not just about the economy. Culture is also a problem. Every day there is some Cheech cutting me off with his truck, jaywalking, etc., because his "manana" culture okays such lack of discipline or respect for simple rules. If I end up in an accident, it would not be the economy that drags me to court and/or increases my insurance premiums. And that is only the tip of the iceberg. Then you have the "La Raza" nonsense, bilingual education, a growing sense of entitlement, a nice mesh between latin-american socialism and homegrown leftism, etc. By the time these guys are done, economy will be the last thing we'll have to worry about.

Pesky 1st Amt. Color me crazy, but I think we'll survive a few flags.

So I guess burning American flags, turning them over, or ripping them down to replace with foreign flags should also be okay because of 1A? I wonder what the FFs would think about that. Probably they could not even conceive of such interpretation of their words.
 
Culture is destiny.

Those who don't get where the Founding Fathers came from, intellectually, socially, and morally, and why the farther we get from their cultural predicates the more we lose America...well, you have been bitch-slapped too many times by The Invisible Hand.
 
psst: England is socialist now. Socialism by any other name still oppresses citizens because of "majority opinion.")

Nope your definition would be that of a "democracy". Britain of course is a parliamentary democracy rather than a pure democracy in the Athenian sense, but is still closer to outright majority rule than we are (or arguably than we were).

On the other hand socialism is an economic and structural market term, has absolutely nothing to do with majority rule or democracy, and is defined thusly:

so·cial·ism
n.


1. Any of various theories or systems of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy.
2. The stage in Marxist-Leninist theory intermediate between capitalism and communism, in which collective ownership of the economy under the dictatorship of the proletariat has not yet been successfully achieved.


Through the 70s and early 80s Britain moved away from the socialist model whereby one took British Rail or drove a British Leyland car to jobs at British Steel.

I understand this is informal web chit chat and not structured debate, but deliberately using terms incorrectly is a sure sign of a weak argument in either case, as well as, in this specific case, being an overused and tiresome epithet for anything to the left of David Duke on these boards. If you are going to be wrong at least be wrong with originality and use a less hackneyed incorrect term.


And we get upset when people call magazines "clips" yet not when people confuse rather more important terms like "democracy" and "socialism"
 
We've got a very real and very big problem with illegal immigration. But language, holidays and flags aren't pertinent.

Of course they are pertinent. It is the dilution of our culture as Americans. You wouldn't move to China and expect them to speak English and celebrate Columbus Day just because you did before you moved there. Yet that is exactly what is happening here. If you try and talk to them about it always boils down to, "My people owned this land before America did." or "My people were brought here on slave ships so why should I give up my heritage". If you utter the phrase "My People.." and are refering to a minority group or specific section of society then you are not an American. You are a insert "my people" here and you should take your heritage and go back to them if you want to be thought of in that manner. If you wish to be an American, not just a foreigner here to exploit our system, then you embrace and celebrate our culture.

Look, I don't have a problem with immigration. I think the legalization process should be streamlined to help people gain their citizenship. With that being said, if you are sincere about becoming American then do it and don't half arse it. Don't come here and complain when the books are written in English.
 
Culture is destiny

~longeyes

This quote is the most important. Don't quibble over stuff like what flag we're going to fly, or language we will speak. Or what is the exact form of government Britain now employs. These things all take second place to the issue of American culture. What is it now? What will it be in the future?

The culture the first Americans came from wasn't perfect. It involved slavery, and oppression of women. But, within it was a respect for private property, and a right to choose any religion or none. Within it was the concept that one's home is his castle. The tenth amendment showed the idea our founders had that people in different regions might want to do things differently, and that this should be respected.

Those things that the largely Anglo-Saxon, heavily Britainized culture were born with led to the condemnation and destruction of slavery and respect for those same rights for women, and the once enslaved blacks.

Nowadays, those same concepts are being threatened by two things.

#1. Modern American Liberalism, which looks upon property as a community granted privilege, regions with less people as not as important as regions with more people, and religion as okay, as long as it isn't too radical or strange. It also has within it those who would like to see the whole one's home is his castle thing done away with as anything more as a privilege.

#2. Foreign cultures which have no inherent concept of a BOR, or inalienable rights. Look, cultures which don't respect people's rights are inherently inferior to cultures that do. Current Mexican culture (from everything I've seen), only respects power, and machismo.

hint:

As long as we continue to allow Mexicans to flow across the border, those who have had it with that culture will escape here instead of changing their country, and their culture.
 
So are we really going to say that its ok to completely rape the first amendment because we only wanna see one flag flying? Couldn't we, by the same token, decide that flying a state flag is just as bad as another country's flag?

I understand that the immigration process is in dire need of reform, and has been for some time. That said, I don't think that excuses racial or cultural bigotry or the restriction of the first amendment.

Yes, people have a right to burn the American flag. They can burn it, stomp on it, crap on it, pee on it, use it as an after-intercourse towel if they so choose, and when they're done they can fly whatever other flag they like. The first amendment is about having the right to say whatever you like, and not even if its offensive, ESPECIALLY if its offensive. The founding fathers went out of their way to ensure that especially the most heinous, vile speech was protected. If you read about the origins of the bill of rights, that's easily apparent.

I will not ever advocate destroying the first amendment just because I don't like a culture. That would be a black stain on my record as a patriotic american, and so would advocating the abolishment of all cultures that hail from across a chainlink fence or body of water.
 
This is easy.

1. Control the money

2. Destroy morality

3. Dilute the culture

4. Erode and destroy the elements of national sovereignty

That's not all of it, just three key points. OOps - that's four. I need to add; corrupt the educational system.

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CAnnoneer: If you would like to celebrate a theocracy, why not be multicultural and put up Iran's as well?
Do you really think we Roman Catholics (the largest single denomination in the USA, by the way) are "celebrating theocracy" when we fly the Vatican flag in our churches? Do you think our loyalties are at issue?

CAnnoneer: Every day there is some Cheech cutting me off with his truck, jaywalking, etc., because his "manana" culture okays such lack of discipline or respect for simple rules.
Yes, a crime problem. Would his jaywalking somehow be more palatable if he were waving an American flag and cussing you out in English?

CAnnoneer: If I end up in an accident, it would not be the economy that drags me to court and/or increases my insurance premiums.
I'm not sure what his flag or languange has to do with that. In any event, there are plenty of native citizens who'd do the same B.S.

CAnnoneer: Then you have the "La Raza" nonsense, bilingual education, a growing sense of entitlement, a nice mesh between latin-american socialism and homegrown leftism, etc. By the time these guys are done, economy will be the last thing we'll have to worry about.
Entire school systems had bilingual education 150 years ago (German/English). The Republic didn't fall. All that other stuff is economic (yes, causing worse problems) -- but it ain't due to language and flags.

Bigreno: It is the dilution of our culture as Americans. You wouldn't move to China and expect them to speak English and celebrate Columbus Day just because you did before you moved there. Yet that is exactly what is happening here.
1) I think people who don't learn English are hurting themselves and their children. But I'm not threatened by government forms or signs being in multiple languages. That ain't going to destroy our culture.

2) The Irish came here and started celebrating St. Patrick's day. It wasn't done before. "Real Americans" didn't like it at first ... fights broke out over it. Eventually, it became a bigger deal here than back in Ireland. It didn't destroy us.

Speaking of Columbus Day. Do you gnash your teeth at all those Italian flags that come out? There was an Italian flag on the pizza box last night. Mmmm. Breakfast! Ack! Ack! An Italian Flag. Help! Help! My culture is under attack!
 
I will not ever advocate destroying the first amendment just because I don't like a culture. That would be a black stain on my record as a patriotic american, and so would advocating the abolishment of all cultures that hail from across a chainlink fence or body of water.

The First Amendment IS culture. American culture. That is exactly the point. Understand where it came from, what protects it.
 
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