How to prevent the police from seizing your guns?

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How about use them.
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Keeping the doors locked and the guns loaded seems like the best solution.
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Ditto. I generally like and appreciate LE officers, and I believe that most of them are generally decent folks. However, I won't be hiding any guns in this lifetime. If they come under orders to enter my castle and illegally seize my guns, they had better bring at least a few extra body bags on top of what they drag my carcass out in.
 
After Hurricane andrew the Miami police said openly that protection of personal property was low on their priority list. The news had stories and pics of kids and adults openly carrying guns in their subdivisions and even posting guards at the entrances. heres on example of the entrance of a Lake Worth subdivision(I believe) AndrewWORTH.jpg After Frances I came back to Merritt Island after a call from my neighbor that homes were being broken into and was openly carrying a magazine fed 12ga next to me on my seat. I got stopped by the National Guard as they were directing traffic coming over the bridge onto the island,they checked my DL to make sure I lived there and let me pass. What pissed me off was their guns weren't even loaded. Needless to say we stayed on the Island for hurricane Jeanne.
 
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IIRC (and it's been awhile, so I may be wrong), it was members of California's National Guard who were involved in the confiscation. My strongest memory of that time was a little old black woman who was clearly quite upset that they were taking her only means of self-defense.

Texas is one of the states that enacted a law forbidding such foolishness. Good thing. How many people would actually want to try and disarm a city in Texas?

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Springmom
 
I agree with some of the latter posts, Cop or no cop, I am a law abidding citizen and if you want my guns you are going to have to kill me...simple as that. I won't go alone either :cuss: idiots. You can't even protect yourself at a time of disaester, they think you are criminals when you have never had a criminal charge in your life.
 
the katrina gun confiscations, and while they were happening we sat idly and let it happen.

No reason to think that wouldnt happen again even on a wider scale. And no reason to think the NRA will come trumpeting in on a white horse to save us when we really need it, not months later.
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Hello Dom,
I am not out to bust your cookies BUT ----what did YOU DO during this ??? Did you give a few bucks to the NRA before or after Katrina ?? Did you call/write the newspapers/Pres./Gov. of La. or YOUR state ??
We CAN NOT think that the NRA will ride in on a white horse within hours or even days after something like the Orleans gun grab ---- however , we should ALL THANK GOD for the NRA --- think where we would be without them !!!!



Now to your question about prevention ----- have LOTS of firearms and ammo. I have a Ruger .22 pistol and a 500 rd. brick of ammo vacume sealed stashed in a box in the garage under a pile of junk like stuff. I also have a rifle and ammo stashed in the box with our Xmas tree in another storage shed --- again ,oiled up and sealed as best as possable.
 
In a case like that maybe your best chance would be to store guns in two different locations, one very accessable, and another more concealed. You keep your .22, your single shot shotgun, and a rusty old .30-30 in the accessable spot. You keep your AR, sniper rifle, and high-capacity autos in location #2.

When that knock on the door comes and they ask "Sir, do you have guns in the house?", you honestly answer "Yes sir, here they are right here in the closet". When they get confiscated, you start to studder, "BUT, BUT, BUT if you take all my guns, I'll be defenseless". Then "All right, if it's the law".

After they leave, you can go un-pack and load up the AR.
 
I was in Homestead after Hurricane Andrew. There were a lot of people guarding piles of rubble or shredded houses with 12 gauges as the NG enforced curfew, but the folks from the seedy part of town came out looting in waves as soon as the wind died down and even during the eye passing over.

It's a free for all in those situations.

Officers that confiscated those weapons violated existing law- the law of the land. Amended law that addresses this can be as easily disregarded by them again. They're thinking of their pension and such and hanging onto their job.

And, for Pete's sake, don't open the door. Have them state their business through it. Don't open yourself to them seeing something in plain view that they can bootstrap to a search or entry of your home.
If you don't have a front door due to Hurricane winds, that's another matter. :neener:
 
+1 on Justin's post-reply, sadly

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I have to agree with "it's nothing" post by Justin as, when a State of Emergency is declared and the National Guard intervenes "in the name of the Government", you should know, by now, that our Government obeying sacred laws and Rights is only good at their leisure, as they deem fit, at the time.

You and I must remain, "always", within the_laws and exercise our-Rights with caution or have a-lot of money in the bank to hire the_best Law defense, etc., in order to prove your Right/s or that others violated them, i.e. the_government broke said laws or denied one's Rights, "as they are written".. yet broken, by them, time and time again.

Otherwise, in agreement with Justin, "it's all for nothing" for most of us.


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Did anyone watch the video as to what they did to that old lady. No one posted anything about that or even on youtube there are no comments. Kinda pissed me off watching it really.

Makes me wonder that no one cares about this especially no comments on youtube not so much here.

Why do cops think they can do what they want because they wear a badge? Where do they get this mentality from (not just Katrina either).

Some posted about digging up the guns, etc posts. (I dont care who posted) I dont think that is what would happen it would take more people with some organization to stop this sort of thing not a lone person standing up for their rights. Then the government would just call in the tanks what good is a couple of autoloaders against a tank.

I thought the video was a real eye opener of the road we are heading down. Do we have rights or does the goverment just lets us think we have rights.
 
not opening the door seems like the best idea to me. then if they broke in anyway, i think i would call out to any Oathkeepers in the squad that my rights were being violated. if there's even one in the group, it could create enough dissent to stop the illegal action.
 
Any preparations you all have made that you would like to share to stash guns for emergencies?
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Nothing here about stashing. All I've got is the mind-set that no one takes my arms. Anyone wishing to take my arms best be prepared to take a life or loose theirs in the effort.

Woody

Look at your rights and freedoms as what would be required to survive and be free as if there were no government. If that doesn't convince you to take a stand and protect your inalienable rights and freedoms, nothing will. If that doesn't convince you to maintain your personal sovereignty, you are already someone else's subject. If you don't secure your rights and freedoms to maintain your personal sovereignty now, it'll be too late to come to me for help when they come for you. I will already be dead because I had to stand alone. B.E.Wood
 
Yikes, I was not prepared for the outlashing.

In hindsight I should have left the NRA bit out, but what I was TRYING to say is, sure lawsuits and such are great, but if the police come in and beat up your grandmother, the NRA isnt going to be right behind them and say "give it back".

Your grandma will lose her guns when she NEEDS them, not after the legal process has its due course months later.

This is what I was trying to say.

Honestly I was more interested in how to stash guns safely but it seems that the key is some sort of cosmoline type. RIG grease etc.

I dont think a safe is a good idea, because I am sure they could order you to open it or else off to jail with you.

non-descript boxes, cheap reliable guns and rust preventative grease I think is the ticket.

Hello Dom,
I am not out to bust your cookies BUT ----what did YOU DO during this ??? Did you give a few bucks to the NRA before or after Katrina ?? Did you call/write the newspapers/Pres./Gov. of La. or YOUR state ??
We CAN NOT think that the NRA will ride in on a white horse within hours or even days after something like the Orleans gun grab ---- however , we should ALL THANK GOD for the NRA --- think where we would be without them !!!!
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No problem man, and no cookies busted :)

Frankly I was not aware of the gun grabs till a lot later, I had a lot of other stuff going on personally in the non-political / gun related area. I have not always been so politically aware as I should have been.

Have I made donations recently to the NRA the answer would be yes. I do think they are a great orginization but they do have to work with the politicians, who both lie, and change constantly. Thus I dont have much faith in what governers sign at NRA conventions quite frankly. The .gov dont even respect the constitution much less state laws. /shrug

I think we need to fend for ourselves, I dont trust this government to do my 'fending' for me.

I am not sure "fighting and dieing for my guns" is an option for me, I do have a little son to take care of. I would rather hand over a few junkers, and move on. thats just me tho.
 
I know that I'll never evacuate (well, maybe in me trousers) for a hurricane, since the Rita debacle in HouTex...
I lived not far off the bay then and was pretty much alone for the 2 days post-storm, waiting for my neighbors to turn around.
Now that I'm further inland, I expect that the only LEOs I'd see would be stopping by for more guns and/or ammo.
I have no concern about my guns being taken from me.
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Oops...
I meant to say that I've kept the doors and windows wide open for the duration of the "big dark" following storms.
11 days with Ike.
Generally have guns around in convenient places.
Don't even think about hiding them.
Again, I'm fortunate in that there are no random passers-by...
ever.
 
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All this talk of taking a stand. Then what? You at best end up in jail, or at worst dead. What has that solved? If one has sufficient warning why not pack up your kit and bug out? I grew up on the Gulf Coast and have ridden out a few hurricanes and lots of tropical storms with only minor damage. But those storms were not major at all. If I lived below sea level and a Cat 5 hurricane was breathing down my neck you can bet that I am heading for higher ground, and taking everything I can with me. But that is me. I understand that not everyone could or wanted to get out. If you choose to go Alamo then that is your choice, but to me it will only net you 5 mins on the evening news.

As far a storing a firearm it would depend on your location. Dry climate, oil and store in whatever works. Humid climate, I might use something a bit thicker than just oil. But should the need to use it arise then I do not want to have to clean grease out of it. Store it where I can get to it easy but maybe not an obvious location.
 
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I have heard about gun confiscations and tried to look up where people fought back. I figured that there must have been someone that did and left it as would have been covered up by media as shoot out with police and no details beyond that.

I've never heard of something like this happening in tornado areas or floods. Then again this was unique.
 
Bottom line is that none of the cops or their political masters went to jail for their crimes. And they won't the next time they do the same thing. And no law will stop this kind of thing because it was already illegal to take these people's property in the first place. Just the way it is.

And notice that the "settlement" did not include any monetary recompense for the victims who had their property unlawfully stolen. Also note that very few, if any, people got their stolen property back. Also just the way it is.

I would get over it. Some things are the way they are and there is no good way to "fix" them short of a practical way to go after officers in the courts for this kind of criminal misconduct that hits the officers squarely in their personal pocketbook. But that kind of fix might well be worse than the initial problem long term.

Keep in mind that the thing we cared about was the stolen guns. They also stole tens of millions of dollars worth of other stuff they have never been prosecuted for, and never will be.

The only practical solution to this problem would have been for the mayor and all his cronies to lose their jobs at the next election and then let the political system deal with the police and other official misconduct under the previous administration. But that did not happen.
 
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Rule No 1: Be prepared to TAKE CARE OF YOURSELF without government assistance. If you call in those people for help or go to one of their concentration camps, you have nobody to blame but yourself for getting disarmed and treated like a third world refugee.

That means you need to have a supply of clean water at all times, a functional pantry with backstock of root vegetables and canned goods, a means of filtering additional water, genuine first aid and medical supplies, and a means of bugging out if needed. Those who take care of themselves don't need to get help from the man or deal with his goons. Besides, given the economic situation it's doubtful the authorities will even bother to respond to natural disasters in the future. In another nine pointer up here I wouldn't expect to see them show up for weeks and I'm not relying on them to save my backside.
 
In southeast Arizona we really, really aren't worried... ;)

But for those that are, wipe the gun down with a LIGHT coat of preservative oil, and wrap is in Vapor Inhibitor Paper (VIP). Seal it in an airtight bag made for the purpose. Then put the bagged gun in a soft or hard case. Hide the cased gun wherever you want. In general this process is used by the U.S. military services for long term storage (up to 5 years). In the HIGHLY UNLIKELY event that you need the gun(s) during an emergency just rip the bag open and it's ready to go.

Materials are available from www.brownells.com

Detailed instructions are free on request.
 
The topic is storage.

The red dawn, tin foil, stuff is gratuitious.

The answer is get involved in your local politics and electing non morons.
My mayor and police both were and are appalled at the confiscation. In fact since we get wacked pretty good here once in a while they welcome the help.
 
To return waaaaaaaay back to the OP.

Do NOT use sealed PVC containers for storing firearms. PVC (particularly when new) has a nasty habit of outgassing trace amounts of Chlorine which is not healthy for metal objects. Polythene or any other material rated as good to store foodstuffs is the way to go.
 
It's our fault for letting it get this far. Vote the folks out and vote in folks who believe in individual freedom.

Store firearms more appropriately. It seems that most of the ones "taken" were loose in houses or vehicles.
 
Humidity= evil.
Give a thought as to what you would carry in an after-hurricane scenario. I'm thinking you might face the same issues as with long term storage. I live in a hurricane prone area. We just had the nor-easter from Hades here a few weeks ago which brought us the worst flooding since hurricane Isabel which was the worst in the last fifty years or so.

Plastic and stainless steel might be your best friend. Something rugged like an AK might be happier than a tight AR. An ugly Glock or polymer framed Ruger would be better than a fancy 1911.
I'm just sayin'.
 
I do not know the answer to this other than banding together law abiding citizens and see that these clowns do not over step there authority and take away the only protection that you had or have in that almost anarchy type environment until law and order is restored, go after the the bad guys as they will always have guns, I will not let criminals or whom ever remove my guns as long as we all must band together, united we stand and this is all so true, one must do what one must do, this country was founded on this and no tyrants allowed only on the walk to the gallows,JMO, but again we must band together, we must or we will all go down to the on our knees to the tyrants, we can not let that happen, history tells what happens and it does seem to repeat it self, but they still try to do it, and if we lose, game could be over for us as a free country, people do not immigrate form the USA, they
come here, so what does that tell you as well, enough blabbering.

Ron
 
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