How to prevent the police from seizing your guns?

[Werewolf]

Push comes to shove - if the government wants 'em they're gonna get 'em. You may be willin' to die to stop it and that's just what you'll do - die and the government is still gonna get 'em. You'll be dead or in jail labeled a right wing militia nutjob, gun nut, terrorist as the government wishes and your family will be absent a husband, father, granddad etc. Don't matter whether its a city, county, state or the feds. If they want 'em they get 'em legal or not. We can debate all day whether or not the cops, NG or Army would obey, matters not. History tells us that hired agents of the state will obey the state.

I'll grant that somewhere out there there maybe a joan of arc capable of rallying the peasants and beating down the government if the government acts in a terribly heinous way but it'd have to be really heinous and I for one wouldn't be holding my breath or risking my life waitin' for it. Hiding out maybe if able - otherwise...

Threads like this are fun BUT pretty much pure fantasy, pointless and a waste of bandwidth and monopoles on a hard drive somewhere.

 

[Geno]

In my life experience, it's the dog that barks the loudest and easiest that one has to fear the least. I hear a lot of needless barking. It's just noise. I don't see or hear any legitimate threats...but the guard dogs are barking like crazy.

Geno

 

[Vader]

I see a lot of tough "from my cold dead fingers" "molon labe" statements, but I am sure that if that time ever comes, 98% will turn in their weapons without a peep and probably get a slap in the face on the way out "for good measure"

 

[SaxonPig]

None of those gun seizures were legal.

Therefore, they were illegal.

Anyone committing an illegal act is a criminal.

Therefore, anyone attempting to illegally take my guns is a criminal committing felony theft.

I shoot criminals perpetrating felonies upon my person or property.

If you come on to my property and try to take my guns, one of us is going to die.

Do not doubt my words. I think the percentage who would resist is higher than 2% but whatever it is, I'm one of them.

 

[AK103K]

Yea, but the other 3% (and I didnt screw up the math) will make you 98% have to pick a side and do something. On your feet or on your knees, its all up to you.

 

[wishin]

Code of conduct in case of emergency:

1.Make sure guns are loaded;

2.Make sure guns are secure;

3.Make sure guns are hidden;

4.Make sure kids, wife and pets are safe;

5.Make sure you remember what you did with the guns!

 

[ronbuick]

werewolf is right, they come kicking in your door at 3am, you are screwed, but they would have to hit every house in America at the same time, and really how many of those guys are going to follow those orders, I know several cops in town and out of town that live here and they will not follow that order, now if the people know they are coming I hope my neighbor starts shooting from across the street and to the left and right of me, you can not keep a secret like that for long before the people are ready for you to come and there is just not enough of them and all hell breaks loose.

Ron

 

[sandkicker]

A word of caution... I live in NJ... Some years ago, in the middle of my divorce, my soon to be ex wife ( with prompting from her attny) filed totally false assault charges against me in order to prevent me from moving back into our home (which I bought!). I got the charges dismissed within a month, HOWEVER... I was required under state laws to "surrender all my firearms and all other weapons" to the police. I took me two years and a court order to get them back, and a sworn statement from my ex that "she no longer feared me.." No due process, no hearing, just an order to surrender from the court.

 

[ConstitutionCowboy]

Push comes to shove - if the government wants 'em they're gonna get 'em.

It didn't turn out that way back in 1776. Events are amassing along those same historical lines. Hope and pray it isn't allowed to progress that far by being arrested at the ballot box, but don't count on it. Meaning be prepared - mentally and physically - lest the ballot box should fail.

If government comes for your guns, your guns are not their goal. Your servitude, or your wealth, or both is their goal. Your guns in your hands are potentially in their way. My guns in my hands are in their way.

Woody

 

[KBintheSLC]

Push comes to shove - if the government wants 'em they're gonna get 'em.

Thank God our founding fathers didn't share the same defeatist mentality. You may be right that if you as an individual are targeted by the dot gov, you are likely screwed. However, disarming the entire nation... or even just one state would be impossible to do by force. That is why they do it piece by piece with legislation instead.

You really want to keep the government from taking your guns?... Educate yourself and others, and vote.

 

[KBintheSLC]

PS... in regards to the video in the OP... it honestly made my heart sink watching it.

These are the kinds of things that destroy nations... once it becomes us against them, it is just a matter of time.

 

[RP88]

Store firearms more appropriately. It seems that most of the ones "taken" were loose in houses or vehicles.

it wasn't just house-to-house though. They detained people and confiscated anything in their vehicles, pulled over and boarded boats, and even broke into vacant or evac'd houses. For all we know that is where the real looting happened; by corrupt police and militia men with an extra pocket.

I would imagine that if they would ransack your house looking for guns, then they probably wouldn't feel bad about coming back later and cutting away your wall to rip out your gun safe. Although the "time to bury 'em, dig them up" motto is usually a good answer, it's usually best to bide your time. Usually... Soon enough, I believe that there may be a time where it really is an us v. them situation, but i think it will be resolved be intense legal battles more than anything, or something along the lines of non-violence.

 

[mljdeckard]

If you are worried about mass confiscation, what makes you think that they will be safe locked in a box in your attic?

There is PLENTY of reason to think it won't happen again on a larger scale. Ray Nagin defied a contempt of court order and had his police drop everything ELSE they were doing to search for and confiscate arms, because he was being nationally embarrassed by images of people in his city taking care of themselves. It was difficult to do on the existing scale. A larger scare is certainly unlikely, and probably impossible. It would require a surprise search of ALL households, and someone to watch over the houses that have been searched to prevent those who haven't been searched from moving their guns to places that have. This kind of manpower doesn't even exist, not even if they ordered ALL police and military to participate. New Orleans had a history of thuggish anti-gun policy both before and AFTER Katrina. Police would confront someone LEGALLY carrying a gun, and ask them to prove ownership. If they didn't have the receipt for it in their pocket, they would take the gun because it was 'stolen'.

Don't downplay the influence of the NRA in these matters. As a result of the outrage of the actions of Ray Nagin and the lawsuits filed by the NRA, many states have now enacted or clarified their laws for the prevention of the confiscation of arms during a crisis.

Lately we seem to be making better ground by hammering our congressmen than by burying guns. I have no plans to do so. Hold onto your guns. Speak to your senators and congressmen FACE TO FACE AS WELL AS IN WRITING. Go to their rallies and town hall meetings and tell them what you think of their gun records. I have.

 

[Knockdownpower]

Don't open the door if they are there to steel your property, because thats what it is, steeling. I'll just do what I would usualy do if some lowlife P.O.S. broke in with the intention to steel from me. Not to meantion what they might try next if they are the only ones with weapons. In that situation, they wouldn't Law Enforcement Officer's anymore, but soldiers in an act of war on the american citizan. The right to keep and bear arms SHALL NOT BE INFRENGED! I wouldn't let them take a damn thing, not even one single .22 shell.

 

[mljdeckard]

^^That's big talk on the internet.

 

[makarovnik]

As I see it you have a few choices:

Hide them really well, fight back (ooh scary talk) or hand them over.

There were laws enacted before the Katrina disaster to prevent that sort of thing but as usual the guys with the most and biggest guns usually win the argument.

Some of the people confiscating weapons were neither military nor police.

 

[msb45]

If you remember the pictures of homes in New Orleans after Katrina you may recall houses being marked by "search & rescue" teams.

Marking is standard and if you looked them up on internet and kept a printed copy with your survival gear you could "search" you own house and free up those valuable "rescuers" to help others. Keep your house "empty" looking and you're good.

Stealth is your friend, even real tough guys like Navy SEALs use it.

 

[hso]

Lessee, vote laws into place like we did in TN that forbade government to confiscate firearms or even limit sales of ammunition in a crisis, participate in the political process to forestall any such confiscations, contribute to the organizations that are filing suite to make sure that no question exists as to the illegal nature of such confiscations around events like Katrina (and the cost to those who perpetrate them), help every LEO you know to join organizations like Oath Keepers. Stop beating your chests and roll up your sleeves and do some work for a change.

 

[zxcvbob]

Hide a few of 'em really well (at least one good rifle.) You can dig them up a day or two after the goons leave and then... [use your imagination. Thomas Jefferson quote.]

BTW, I don't think it will ever be the military going door-to-door stealing personal firearms. If that order is ever given, the regular armed forces will immediately turn on itself and pretty much collapse. It's the US Marshalls, FBI, National Guard (I'm not sure about that one), and big city police departments, etc. that we need to be concerned about.

 

[-eaux-]

well i just found this post, so i don't get the opportunity add an original insight. so i'll keep it short:

"if it's time to bury them, it's time to dig them up."

that's what they're for. that's what the 2nd amendment is for. to preserve we the people's right to defy and overthrow an oppresive government.

 

[Alimony Bob]

c919, that was because by the time you got there the NRA had already filed suit and secured an injunction against the city enjoining them from any further confiscations.

 

[grampster]

Hey guys. Old Fuff in Post # 44 answered the question of proper firearm storage. HSO, in # 68 talked about proper citizen pressure on legislatures to pass laws prohibiting what happened in NO. Many states did just that.

Our freedom depends more upon us participating in the government that was bought and paid for by the blood of our fellow citizens, than chest thumping bluster on the innertube. We have the system, get involved in it. It will be more productive if you do.

Remember what our fellow citizen, Ben Franklin said...."We have given you a republic, madam, if you can keep it."

 

[ConstitutionCowboy]

Lessee, vote laws into place like we did in TN that forbade government to confiscate firearms or even limit sales of ammunition in a crisis, participate in the political process to forestall any such confiscations, contribute to the organizations that are filing suite to make sure that no question exists as to the illegal nature of such confiscations around events like Katrina (and the cost to those who perpetrate them), help every LEO you know to join organizations like Oath Keepers. Stop beating your chests and roll up your sleeves and do some work for a change.

What you espouse is all well and good. However, mayors sometimes issue orders and police execute those orders with no regard for the law. Sometimes, after you've rolled up your sleeves, you've got to beat your chest to back up what you rolled your sleeves up for. When push comes to shove, that is your only check on errant government. I'd rather be alive to justify my actions in court than to be the main attraction at a funeral. That said, making sure the proper law is in force will help you in court, but it It won't stop the likes of Ray Nagin.

Woody

There is a current wave of freedom being expressed in this great country of ours. We can join that wave in the political arena now or be forced to join it on the battlefield later. B.E. Wood

 

[paintballdude902]

We must have all been on that same boat....

wasnt that THR family reunion in 07? i was there too and since our economy has gotten so bad i cant afford to buy any new ones

honestly man there is no was to truely prevent this

my plan is if it starts to happen i would put my guns in the attic and then block my doors

that is if i had purchased any new guns

 

[ArfinGreebly]

Closing Time

At the risk of treading on the toes of my mod brethren, I'm thinking we've pretty much gotten all the mileage we're going to get from this thread.

Some good points made, but it looks like all that's left is repetition.

No point in subjecting our dear departed horse to that kind of indignity.