How we lose our ranges (with pictures)

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coloradokevin

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A thread like this was recently posted by another member, but the content is so important that I felt it was worth repeating with another example:


In Colorado we have lost many places to shoot in the past few years.

Dangerous behaviors and trash have shut down an estimated 40+ public ranges/locations in my state in the past 15 years alone. I have personally frequented no less than three places that are now closed to shooting, and know of at least a half-dozen more.

I visited a spot near Denver today that is starting to become more known. Not unlike the other places that have preceeded it, the growing popularity of this place will probably shut it down in the next couple of years (by my guess).


A photo documentary of today follows:



There is a reason we are all there... Range time:

The range:
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Our setup:
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My wife shooting:
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But, the problems are quite evident to anyone who looks. Irresponsible shooters are destroying our National Forest lands:

Here is one of the many piles of trash at this small (and still relatively unknown) location:
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Another look at the trash:
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A toilet someone decided to "discard" on our public lands:
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These are fun to shoot, but take it with you when you are done!:
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More leftovers from previous forest users:
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These types of actions are, among other things, a large part of the reason that we have lost so many places to shoot in Colorado (and other parts of the country).



But, there is a solution:


Find trash:
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Pick up trash:
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And, properly dispose of trash:
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It seems brainlessly obvious, yet some folks apparently just don't get it.

For example, there is a pile of shotgun shells visible in the center of the first photo. These were left by a group who was leaving when we showed up today. They also left their boxes, their brass, their targets, and probably some other stuff that I couldn't directly link to them. On the other hand, another group shot next to us for a while, and properly cleaned up their mess (and targets) before leaving.

We can clearly see that the problem exists, but as a community we have obviously done a poor job of policing ourselves. While the majority of us are responsible folks who clean up our trash, there remains an active element in the shooting "community" who choose to ruin things for all of us. Like a plague of locusts, these losers move from one area to the next (as ranges are closed by the Forest Service, or other managing entities), and the cycle continues.

All in all, my wife and I walked out with approximately 20lbs of trash (in addition to our own). Still, it seems like we barely even made a dent, even at this very small range.


So, my self proclaimed solution from this point forward, to anyone who asks:

1) Please pick up after yourself! (this goes without saying, or should)
2) Please pick up after at least one other person! (someone has to do it, and the FS shuts ranges when they get asked to handle this task).

Together we can make a difference, and hopefully save some of the dwindling number of public shooting venues that are available today!


Thanks for reading, and many thanks to my wife, Julie, for being an unwilling participant in my photo documentary :D
 
Stuff like that shouldn't bother you as much as it seems it is. If you think that is bad, well, ill show you something worse. I like what you are doing, and thats being responsible for your mess. A noble effort.
 
Thank you

Thanks coloradokevin for reminding everyone that they are not the only people on this earth and that their moms probably won't come to the range to pick up their left-behinds.

This is the same picture as what everyone sees along most highways though. Some people are pigs and other are responsible.

Thank you for being one of the responsible people.
 
Mostly I shoot on our private property. So we pick up EVERYTHING. On occasion we go to Cheatham Wildlife Management Area. There is a nice 100 yard range there. I always pick up my trash and some of what others have left. We,(my two sons and I), couldn't pick it all up if we camped for a week. Sad. I even see trash at the club where I'm a member. Kind of surprises me. Who do they think is going to pick that stuff up? Their mama doesn't come out there...so it just lays there.

Mark.
 
esmith said:
Stuff like that shouldn't bother you as much as it seems it is. If you think that is bad, well, ill show you something worse.

Honestly, why shouldn't this bother me more than about anything else within this sport?

I don't own land that I can shoot on, and I've certainly driven thousands of extra miles due to the loss of nearby shooting places that were trashed by people who don't seem to get the message regarding litter.


Some real life examples:

I used to have a free public shooting area two miles from my house. It was shut down a few years ago after being over-run with trash. The next closest public area was 50 miles away, and I spent countless hours in the car between there and my house.

That second location has since been closed to shooting for exactly the same reason.

I've moved to a different area of the state since that time. A range that was located 30 minutes away from me was closed about two months ago due to trash and reckless behavior.

Now I have to drive an hour to shoot. And, the forest service hasn't ruled out the closing of other areas that have been mistreated.

Is this range the worst example of this behavior? Obviously not. I've seen worse in the past that I haven't bothered to document, but perhaps should have!

Needless to say, I am now becoming more protective of these limited areas, lest we lose them all! I would encourage everyone here to do the same!
 
It would be a good idea for shooting organizations to have range cleanup days. I know my club does considering the only range we have is about an hour away.
 
Stuff like that shouldn't bother you as much as it seems it is.

Really? It's not worth concern that slobs are causing the closing of public areas for shooting? :confused:
Ok.
Not everyone likes to pay range fees. Aside from enjoying the experience of shooting outside. If we don't find some way of changing this behavior, it gives the people who would disarm us one more thing to point at as an excuse.
 
yep another sad group of slobs screwing it up for the good folks.

and i also have to deal with the loud pipes save lives nuts in my other hobby which is also under fire for annoying behavior like this people out to have a good time and to hell with rest of us if we have to clean up the mess and deal with others who see it and assume we are all the same

truly sad for us all
 
Coloradokevin, that range looks alot like the one my dad has behind his house. Except for all the trash laying around. I was taught at a very young age to pick up my brass( even if dad did not reload the caliber we were shooting), it sucked, but I did it. He even went so far as to buy some old carpet backing and lay it along our 25yrd range to make finding the casings easier. It still sucked.

I have not reloaded in about five years, but I have over 5,000 .45 shells that I either picked up from dads or from the "private' range just down the road from my house. That "private" range looks alot like your pictures.
 
Coloradokevin...

I know that range. It is south of Pine, CO. That is a great place to shoot. I used to go there alot when I lived in Lakewood. Easier for me now to go to Pawnee.

I used to haul tons of crap out of there. Great place just to plink, especially if no one else was around.
 
I will keep this PG.

I TAKE A LOAD OF GARBAGE OUT EACH AND EVERY TIME I'M THERE!

It doesn't help, idiots and the ignorant simply leave their trash. I'm trying, I'm really trying - I go there two to three times a week. This weekend I may well simply go out during a cease fire with garbage bags and gloves - and I'll come back off the range when I'm good and done cleaning.

If anyone says "Get off the range, I want to shoot" my answer will be "Help clean, then you can get back to shooting sooner."


I am so frustrated it's not even funny. I had that range looking pretty good only two days ago - I spent four hours of my own time cleaning.
 
opd743 said:
He even went so far as to buy some old carpet backing and lay it along our 25yrd range to make finding the casings easier. It still sucked.

Not a bad idea though... I use the tarp system for "catching" brass on unsupervised public ranges. Doesn't work for me, but I try it anyway. Invariably, the brass lands just before or just after the tarp.

Still, I try to take what I brought, and then some!

dravur said:
I know that range. It is south of Pine, CO. That is a great place to shoot. I used to go there alot when I lived in Lakewood. Easier for me now to go to Pawnee.

I used to haul tons of crap out of there. Great place just to plink, especially if no one else was around.

Yeah, I figured someone would recognize the spot.

I used to go out to Pawnee too, when I lived up north a while back. Nice place to shoot some serious distance on public lands, but also trashed. A bit far for me now, being in the Denver metro area.

One of the areas I went to out there has also been closed due to trash, but fortunately there were a number of areas out there to begin with!
 
I honestly can't express how angry I am right now.

I don't know what else to do or what else to say.
 
You have made me feel less alone!!!

When I shoot outside I usually go out past Indian Springs , in Nevada and if you think those pics are bad people have dumped any and everything there a car to large home appliances Washing Machines...ect...Not only do I try to collect all my spent casings but I always grab a few bags of peoples disrespect for themselves and their country. Yes Country I always here this bull**** about love it or leave it from the same types that throw their trash out windows, in parking lots and the earth in general. This is the most obvious clue to the a person who does not respect life plain and simple. Living in Las Vegas people think the desert is some kind of waste land and all you can do is blame the parents, lol. Seriously though I have gone to jail in defense of corporate polluters but the attitude is the same in the home. Teach yourself and others to respect the sacred Air, Water and Land, and you will feel better about yourself. Just spend 10 minutes thinking about the footprint of one day of your life. I'm sorry if I sound pissed its just that crap pisses me of, lol. Love your work!!!

Example of one random state: Missouri

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searously dude, you know how much brass costs today, about $2.50 per lb

get a few 5 gallon buckets fill em full of brass that people left, cash it in, simple enough. you pick up trash and you can get a little money for it.

also dosent that range have trash cans?
if they dont, you think the land owner would care if you put out a few old 55 gallon drums with the tops cut off?
 
also dosent that range have trash cans?

People shot them up.

if they dont, you think the land owner would care if you put out a few old 55 gallon drums with the tops cut off?

It's BLM land. Public land. NATIONAL land. We are the land owners.
 
Pawnee is a great place to shoot in Colorado, but unfortunately it's also become a dumping ground for various appliances, computers, TVs, and targets, brass, and random trash.
 
icebones said:
searously dude, you know how much brass costs today, about $2.50 per lb

get a few 5 gallon buckets fill em full of brass that people left, cash it in, simple enough. you pick up trash and you can get a little money for it.

also dosent that range have trash cans?
if they dont, you think the land owner would care if you put out a few old 55 gallon drums with the tops cut off?

I'm well aware that brass has some value, and I do collect it in 5 gallon buckets. However, in my case, brass is not the big problem at that range.

I collected the brass (as do many people -- thus, making that a small part of the trash), but what does that do about the toilets, televisions, computers, hot water heaters, bowling pins, glass, sinks, wood pallets, doors, etc that get left?


As far as land ownership is concerned, the area I posted is on OUR national forest land. We all own it!

If the classic trend follows on this place, it will likely go like this:

1) Forest service either notices the mess, or gets complaints from local residents

2) Signs will be posted to pick up your trash, a trash can might be installed at certain high-use areas (generally, FS policy in this area is: You pack it in, you pack it out... so, trash cans are not likely).

3) Problem will continue to intensify, and the new signs/trash cans that the forest service paid for will be shot up as well.

4) Area residents will continue to complain, and/or the FS will continue to notice (late night shooting, drunks shooting, more trash... whatever).

5) A "closure order" is issued by the District Ranger, and all shooting at the range and surrounding lands is outlawed.

It has happened in Left Hand Canyon, it has happened in parts of Pawnee, and it has happened in Slaughterhouse Gulch (among many other areas). As I said, if the trend continues, I expect this area will be gone in another year or two.
 
Really? It's not worth concern that slobs are causing the closing of public areas for shooting?
Ok.
Not everyone likes to pay range fees. Aside from enjoying the experience of shooting outside. If we don't find some way of changing this behavior, it gives the people who would disarm us one more thing to point at as an excuse.

Okay one, i don't go to private ranges. I go to state ranges that are every bit as polluted as the ones you go to. I deal with the mess everytime i go.

Honestly, why shouldn't this bother me more than about anything else within this sport?

I don't own land that I can shoot on, and I've certainly driven thousands of extra miles due to the loss of nearby shooting places that were trashed by people who don't seem to get the message regarding litter

It should make you mad, but not to the point where you are like PTK over here.
I honestly can't express how angry I am right now.

I don't know what else to do or what else to say.

Raising awareness is fine, picking up litter is great. But you are going to live in it the rest of your life. There will still be a gang of guys who take television sets to the range, blow em up, and leave them for good people to clean up.

I may be playing the devil's advocate here but the difference i make really won't make a dent in the mountains of trash piling at my ranges. Plus i don't have the time nor means to clean up other people's mess'. Thats just me though.

Earth is a rotting ball of garbage, in most places that is. We are going to have to live with it.
 
Coloradokevin,
You make a good point and God bless your wife for cleaning the place up!
 
Well done and well said.

Some folks who are "used" to shooting at the dump seem to treat everywhere they shoot like a dump. Leave the shooting refrigerators and toilets to the dump and clean up after yourself at the range.
 
clean up

the idea of putting in 55 gallon trash barrels is foolish unless you have someone lined up to take them out regularly. you know what will happen, they will fill, overflow and spill all over the ground like before. Everyone should carryin/carryout. i only shoot at clubs I belong to and we don't have that problem.
 
Coloradokevin: You are doing a good thing.


Lived in southern MD for many years. We had a range on public land that we locals kept very clean. Then the slobs from suburban DC found it. The place was trashed and closed.
 
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