Thank you for helping tone the mood down a little in here. I was starting to wonder if we were going to get infractions for getting off topic.
I was wrong about the % of statistics, it's higher than I remember seeing in March. (Details are sketchy and there's no regular release of information from the ISP on that... usually only when a reporter goes digging).
http://reason.com/blog/2014/07/07/illinois-still-being-jerks-about-gun-car
There have also been more than 2,400 objections lodged by local law enforcement officials and 809 applicants who were denied because objections were sustained by the review board.
We know from the first article in the OP there are over 800 denials at this point. Now we know there were 2400 objections raised.
So the current % of denial to objection ratio is 33% at this point.
THAT is troublesome. So is the story of Jordan Zoot; but that's better left to another topic entirely.
I agree with much of what you said Trent I agree that it was watered down but at least we have a place to start. I can carry in 99% of my daily life.
As do I. I own my own company so set the rules there at work. I avoid any commercial business that is posted, except my bank, and I make *them* bring *me* paperwork while I sit out in my mustang chilling to tunes.
I have had to disarm exactly *twice* since I started carrying every day in March. The first time was for a school pay my daughter was in. No biggie.
The second time was for the 4th of July fireworks at Pekin Stadium (in Pekin park).
Boy that ****** me off more than a little. Celebrate our independence, my rear end. I *hate* fuddling with my sidearm in the confines of an automobile. That crap just sets us gun owners up for bad publicity when something snags the trigger on a holster reinsertion. Guns are perfectly safe as long as we keep our grubby meat paws off of them until we need to use them.
Regarding IL Carry it is ran in a childish manner in many cases. Some of the "senior" big shots there like to belittle people and feel as though they are royalty now. I went to every IGOLD, ran a Facebook page(we have talked there in pretty sure) called legislators, even cold called voters to drum up support. I had a three letter named member belittle me and call me names because he was "better than me because of what he had done." Never mind the fact that I have done more than 99% if the members of that forum for the cause.
Hah! Look man I was there from *day one* before there was IL Carry, before there was iGold, in the back room of a Chicago bar with John Birch when concealedcarry.org was first started. I wrote the software that did the membership enrollment for his organization and went to every meeting.
February 28, 2002. I'm standing in John Birch's office in the burbs getting ready for the
very first ConcealedCarry.org members meeting, and snap a picture of him with my old Olympus D340 digital camera.
You want to give credit where credit is due?
That man started the entire movement in the state of IL. Other's didn't jump in until much later, when it was far more politically acceptable and convenient to do so.
After that, I remained active in 2nd amendment rights consistently through the years.
I've given speeches on the courthouse steps to the public, at a time when the very THOUGHT of concealed carry was unpopular enough to get a SWAT team from Springfield sent up to Tazewell county to cordon off a 3 block radius around the courthouse.
I've debated anti-gun groups in public (repeatedly, ad naseum).
I become a multi-discipline NRA instructor (Rifle, pistol, shotgun) and certified Chief Range Safety Officer. (Later on I became a State Police approved concealed carry instructor.)
I got on the executive board of Tremont Sportsmans Club, currently serving as secretary of the club.
I run NRA approved High Power and Smallbore rifle tournaments each month, year round, even when it's -24F wind chill outside.
I've done guest speaker roles at various venues, including GunsSaveLife meetings. My last guest speaker appearance was in May, where I gave an hour and a half lecture on
"how to be an effective 2nd Amendment activist" to nearly 100 attendees.
And now (recently), I've been on television shows. Was the guest star on Adventure Sports Outdoors this month, to give a primer on Illinois concealed carry laws, walk viewers through the qualification process, and give some practical shooting tips.
YET DESPITE ALL OF THAT - YOU WILL *NEVER* SEE ME RELY ON MY SO-CALLED ACCOMPLISHMENTS OR ACHIEVEMENTS OR CHEST THUMP STUFF LIKE "I HAVE DONE THIS LONGER THAN YOU SO I AM *RIGHT*".... BECAUSE I WILL *ALWAYS* RELY ON LOGIC AND REASON TO GET MY POINT ACROSS.
If I cannot do that, I *deserve* to lose the debate or argument, and will learn from it. There is no 'calling on a higher authority' as a tactic in my playbook.
I don't spend much time there anymore either.
Neither do I, for obvious reasons.
You seem like a great guy, very active in the shooting and 2-A rights movement, always posting up knowledge and opinions on handguns / etc. I really hope we didn't get off on the wrong foot here, because ultimately
we are on the same side.
Bottom line is if you put lipstick on a pig, it's still a pig. And this law we got stuck with, given that the 7th handed the world to us on a silver platter... man, she's a really ugly pig.
Anyway keep up the good fight man. I'm glad to have people like you on "our" side, who is not afraid to speak their mind, have a rational "big boy" discussion, and not get drawn down in to imaginary pretend-power muck cesspool that some boards on the internet have eroded in to. Not naming names or anything {COUGH}ARFCOM{COUGH}INFOWARS{COUGH} ... yeah I'll shut up now before I get that infraction....
Have a good night brother.
