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Discussion in 'Hunting' started by Red_Wind, Jan 12, 2006.

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  1. 30Cal

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    I have a different understanding of the word "humane" I guess.

    "Humane" to me means that you feed your livestock before you feed yourself and that you put down animals as duty requires.

    If hunting, when given an option, I shoot the tastiest (smallest) animal I can. Otherwise, I take the first and best legal shot that I get. You can buy your processed soy that comes up from Mexico, and I'll take what is offered up to me. Since we're criticizing how people choose to feed their families, I think vegans shouldn't be allowed to raise children as it's been demonstrated several times to be a sure recipe for malnutrition.

    If you read the last part of that quote, you'll realize it says turn of the century. You're thinking of the wrong century. That's not yesterday, that's 100 years ago. Do you have any more relevent/less stale information?

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  2. trueblue1776

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    I have seen deer populations in sanctuaries and historic sites, areas that have no legal hunting. The severity and regularity of genetic mutation was very extensive in some places. These animals have NO preditors, the bears, wolves and cats are long gone from many of these areas. What results is a massive deer population that does not have to roam or migrate to find a mate. The small population keeps interbreeding. These deer of which many have debilitating deformities are free to breed as they wish, and further their genetic misfortune. These deer don't need to be shot in the leg, they are born lame.

    I have no idea why I am justifing your argument with a response. I have no faith in these organizations from which you get your "statistics". Many of these people are scared hateful people.

    It is disheartening so many young people come across such slanted information and choose to take up a "cause". Please choose your targets carefully. We, as sportsmen fund much of the state and National Parks service, the outdoors and all the animals you love are supported by us. Organizations like Ducks Unlimited provide vast amounts of land for wildlife, that would otherwise be developed or farmed.

    I am not a vegan, I will probably never be a vegan. I suspect there are not many vegans here, and if there was, we would not go to a vegan forum and insult you.
     
  3. Red_Wind

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    Goodbye

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  5. 30Cal

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    Thanks for the links. I definitely learned something by flipping through them--animal rights extremists can really get to children. I need to take my daughter out hunting at a much earlier age than I'd planned if she's to have any hope of seeing through the systematic brainwashing that's going on.

    I wasn't planning on hunting this year because it's such a hassle to find a place, but after reading this, I feel like it's my duty to. I guess I'll be getting a licence this weekend.

    Ty
     
  6. CatsDieNow

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    The Animal Liberation Front? Now there's an biased source if I ever saw one.

    All of those links that you provided (expect the MN gov one) are biased toward hunting. Try getting some objective ones. :scrutiny:
     
  7. AK-74me

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    This reminds me of........ the episode of trading spouses. Where the hippie mom from Arizona that thought she could totally stop eating and get all her nutrients from doing yoga in the sun got sent to KY to live with a family that lived off the land getting most of their meat from the father and sons going a-field to provide dinner.

    It was great, while at work the father asked the new mom (hippie mom) to thaw out some frozen deer meat for supper. I guess she has a plan while he is at work that she won't do it and then by the time he gets home it'll be too late to thaw and she will introduce a salad for dinner.

    The father comes home and sees that the deer meat had not been thawed, he is visibly not happy, he was ready to eat when he came home. This is the great part. He says "ok" he throws on a camo jacket, grabs is shot-gun and within a 1/2 hour comes back from the woods with a half dozen phesant, he says "around here this is how we eat", next shot cuts to the "hippie mom" breading up the phesant, getting them ready for the frying pan in disgust.
     
  8. Cosmoline

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    I don't mean links to the anti-hunting sites and their opinions. I mean links to the original material proving your assertions that hunting causes deer to go on the road. I see third hand references to something someone from New Jersey's EPA said about it, but that's it. Where's the study tracking the deer?
     
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    Awful lot of information gathered for a 15 year old :rolleyes: .....as well as a lot of the usual nonsensical rote taught talking points. Am I the only one that doubts whether our soon to be gone friend is who she (he?) says she is?

    Come on....you know the words...."Troll, troll, troll, your boat....."

    Goodbye Red_Wind.....thanks for stopping by.....

    Banning will commence in 10, 9, 8........
     
  11. Stiletto Null

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    Cripes man, if you're going to troll, at least take the time to write well. You barely even sound literate, much less knowledgeable.

    ELLIPSES ARE NOT PERIODS!!!

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    Personally, I don't get the appeal of hunting, and my actual use of guns in killing stuff will probably be limited to vermin (mice and squirrels and such), eeevil assault metal pop-top canisters, and humans—but I also have nothing against other people hunting.

    Get a haircut, get a job, and get a life.
     
  12. Malfader13

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    Did no one read my inital response to this fool?

    New member

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    first post is anit-hunting

    This person who claims to be a 15yo girl has no interest in having a discussion on hunting, has totaly made up thier mind on hunting and will only listen to the facts as seen through "her" biased view. There was, is and will not be any reason to debate with a person like this so quit wasting your time folks. Anyone who chooses to quote the ALF as a credible source is beyond help. Look for "her" fire bombing a animal testing lab ner you soon.
     
  13. Luchtaine

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    I can't remember if that PETA comic book Your Mommy Kills Animals was posted here or not. I can't find it :( Red Wind would have enjoyed it.

    Seriously, don't give animals silly names thats just cruel.
     
  14. DigMe

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    I just want to clarify something here -

    are Red Wind and Silent Moon dating or are they just friends.

    brad cook
     
  15. AnthonyRSS

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    From another perspective, since by your post you claim to believe in God, and I assume that you believe the Bible, since that is where God tells us about himself.

    Psalm 8:6-7- "Thou madest him to have dominion over the works of thy hands;
    thou hast put all things under his feet: All sheep and oxen, yea,
    and the beast of the field:"

    This is from I Timothy 4, in reference to 'latter times', and actions in these latter times.

    v. 3 "Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth."
    v. 4 "For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving."

    There is much more, but this is what I remember off the top of my head.

    So, God says vegans are wrong, and meat is good.
     
  16. joab

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    Have to agree
     
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    i work with animals for 20 years,most of your info is right.most hunter are too dumb making up stories,never listen to facts.i still like to eat deer.
     
  18. Art Eatman

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    I first started playing Mighty Nimrod some 63 years ago, at age eight and with my grandfather's .22 rifle. I think it's fair to claim some knowledge of the subject.

    I spent many years in farming and ranching, from plowing behind a horse and then at age 11 graduating to my grandfather's "new" tractor. I've cowboyed cows out of mesquite brush when they didn't want to leave.

    I've watched all manner of animals throughout the cycles of the years. I've had wild animals as pets, including raccoons and deer.

    My home "yard" is regularly visited by numerous dove and quail. This attracts foxes and coyotes. I also have a variety of chipmunk and of squirrel which visit my porch on a regular basis. Ravens and hawks are common visitors. I see collared peccary, bobcats and deer in my lower lands along the creek, and there is the occasional pass-through by "Cigar Mountain Mama", our local cougar--and, sometimes, "Handsome Stranger", who helps create more cougars.

    My engineering career progressed (regressed?) into the world of environmental engineering, with intensive "brain-picking" of wildlife biologists as well as others with much education in environmental biology and geology.

    I like to believe that my opinions, my commentaries are based more upon first-hand knowledge than they are upon other people's opinions.

    There are numerous threads here and at http://thefiringline.com about the ethical issues of how to hunt, so I won't repeat them here. Simplest put, the issue is that of the quickest possible clean kill in fair chase conditions.

    I'll stick with deer, since that's the primary thrust of mammal-hunting in the 48 states.

    The whitetail deer population grows in geometric fashion. The old 1-2-4-8-16-ohmigod! deal. A healthy doe has a doe fawn and a buck fawn every year for some six seasons. A doe fawn can be bred at 1.5 years. The math for the fecundity and offspring of a single doe is left as an exercise for the student. :)

    The hunter and the gardener are the only "do it yourselfers" in the entire arena of food. Everybody else hires somebody to do their scut work. While I grant the utility of this division of labor, for many it is merely moral cowardice at getting dirty hands. Recall Katie Couric and the lobster...

    The hunter is not particularly concerned over the fate of one individual animal. He is concerned over the health of the species--and, if knowledgeable, the land. He is necessary to the health of the deer herd, or it will increase beyond the carrying capacity of the land--which is no different from any other form of ranching. When any herbivore becomes too numerous for the good of any habitat, the land suffers greatly. The herbivore also suffers, via smaller stature and disease.

    Emotionally, there is the satisfaction of continuing an activity begun thousands of generations before me. It is a tie to the history of homo sapiens. There is the satisfaction of learning a primitive skill and being good at it. There is the self-esteem and pride engendered by meeting a challenge and succeeding--and these can only be earned, never given.

    But until somebody can accurately relate to me the details of "A Day In The Life Of Bambi", I'm not much interested in their opinions about hunting. They don't know enough to matter. Opinions are free. Knowledge ain't.

    :), Art
     
  19. smokemaker

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    When I was 15 ( though I was never a girl) I knew everything, and more importantly... I knew to death that I was right. 17 years after that, in retrospect, I was wrong on about 95% of it..

    I think the young lady wrote that hunting causes suffering or some such nonsense... the fact is, life causes suffering. I have watched 4 coyote eat a young doe while she was still alive.. nature causes suffering.

    I, as a hunter, don't shoot the biggest buck. I'm a doe hunter. Maybe to balance the sex ratio, which btw, isn't always at it's best at 1:1. Maybe because I see alot more doe than buck, which, I'm now sure is because all the bucks have been ruthlessly wounded by hunters and then forced to run out in the road and be euthanized by automobiles. Mostly, I shoot and kill does because they eat better... that is, they taste better.

    Oh, and Red Wind, are you of native american indian descent? Because my wife is (and she is a bit of a tree hugger herself) and she thinks it sucks that you would use an indian moniker as a cover for such obviously BS fed ranting.
     
  20. El Tejon

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    If God does not wish us to eat animals, why did He make them out of meat?:confused:
     
  21. mrrev

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    +1 30Cal

    "I definitely learned something by flipping through them--animal rights EXTREMISTS can really get to children."

    I've always thought EXTREMISTS mess it up for the rest of us...
     
  22. antsi

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    Post hoc ergo propter hoc.
    Notorious fallacy.
    Just because two things happen at the same time does not mean one is the cause of the other.
    Most hunting seasons are timed to coincide with deer mating season. Deer tend to act a little funny during mating season, and chase each other around a lot, including chasing each other onto roadways. That is an alternative and much more plausible explanation to the ludicrous theory of hunting causing car/deer collisions.

    Committee to Abolish Sport Hunting. Obviously an unbiased, objective source of information :rolleyes:
     
  23. JohnBT

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    www.animalliberationfront.com ??????

    Folks, we've been honored by a visit from a animal rights terrorist. Go to the site and read the advice on how to destroy property, steal things and disrupt businesses. It's all right there for the reading.

    Bunch o' freaking wackos.

    John
     
  24. Kaylee

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    Kiddo.. I've been pretty much exactly where you are now.

    Your first suprise was probably that these gentleman here weren't the cruel whooping drunkards you expected, but rather were by and large quite well educated, thoughtful, and well spoken.

    Should you choose to stick around and listen, you could learn quite a bit from these folks. If you just want to repeat third-hand nonsense from folks with an axe to grind, well.. there ain't much point to staying around here. A lot of these folks you're preaching to? They were woodswalking in real wilderness before you saw sunshine for the first time.

    I suggest you take the time to learn from them, rather than preach to them.

    -K
     
  25. Stiletto Null

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    Best.

    One-liner.

    Ever.
     
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