Hunting with your Hi Point Carbine

[Blue Brick]

http://www.hipointfirearmsforums.com/entries/Hunting-with-your-Hi-Point-Carbine.html

In the end, no matter if its deer, hogs, coyote, or random vermin in the night, be sure you obey your local hunting regs, take good and deliberate aim at a vital area, and don't bite off more than you can chew. If you keep this in mind, your Hi Point carbine can put dinner on the table and the wolf away from the door.

Inexpensive short range varmint / pest rifle.

 

[Dean1818]

If you try to take a pig or a deer with the pistol carbine, you have a VERY high chance of an unethical, unneccessarily long and painful death to a living animal.

There are MUCH better choices for hunting

I wouldnt think of hunting midsize game with a pistol

I want to be as close to 1000 ft lbs as possible, even with the longer barrel, you would have difficulty getting a pistol bullet to 450ft lbs........at the muzzle, let alone at hunting ranges

But..... Its a free country

 

[CZ9shooter]

I can get around 600 ft lbs with my 9mm HiPoint.... Just sayin'.

I havent hunted anything with it myself. Although, I have fantisized about it from time to time

 

[limpingbear]

I have had no problems hunting deer and pigs with pistols. One of my friends hunted and killed his first hog with a 40 cal carbine. He killed it first shot DRT. Its not always power, If you put the bullet where it needs to go, the critter dies just as dead and humanely as if you had shot it with a rifle or bow.

 

[Mohave-Tec]

There was so much iffing and justifying in that article. Somebody was trying to sell there guns. Why not just use an appropriate gun and caliber? Right tool for the job?

 

[Blue Brick]

If you try to take a pig or a deer with the pistol carbine, you have a VERY high chance of an unethical, unneccessarily long and painful death to a living animal.

Poachers use 22LR for deer.

 

[Schwing]

Don't get me wrong. I have a Hi Point 995 9mm Carbine and, though it is the least expensive firearm I have ever purchased, it is one of my favorite to shoot for pure enjoyment. It is 100% reliable surprisingly and is way more accurate than it has a right to be for the mere $250 it set me back.

Having said that, I would never even consider hunting anything larger than a rabbit with the thing. These articles, IMHO are merely advertisements for the rifles. As someone who is not anti-hunting at all but gave up hunting years ago because of my own objection towards causing animals undue pain, this is just a bad idea. (Don't worry, I still enjoy my steaks rare

I hear a lot of bravado from folks who seem to be able to take a buffalo down on the first shot from 2000 yards away with a .22 but, in reality, I have seen a lot of animals suffer unnecessarily from hunters who should be more concerned with a clean kill than trying to prove their marksmanship skills.

 

[vaupet]

Poachers are well known for their ethics

 

[PO2Hammer]

Poachers use 22LR for deer.

Poacher are criminals who use .22 because they don't care about the game, only getting away unseen and unheard. A very poor reference. The 'low road' as it were.

I think people use 9mm/40 pistols and carbines to kill something with their defensive weapon just so they can put the proverbial notch on the butt stock and brag to their buddies that they killed something with it.

 

[blindhari]

Dean1818,
I use a Winchester Trapper rifle in 357 mag for Texas hog. I shoot under 100 yds and use a peep sight. Utilising Buffalo Bore in either 125 hollow point or 158 lead I easily exceed 1000lbs at the muzzle. It has always worked for me.

blindhari

 

[Dean1818]

Poachers use 22LR for deer.

Yeah... Poachers are ethical.......


They use a 22 because its quiet and cheap........ Not a decent choice for hunting

 

[Dean1818]

I have had no problems hunting deer and pigs with pistols. One of my friends hunted and killed his first hog with a 40 cal carbine. He killed it first shot DRT. Its not always power, If you put the bullet where it needs to go, the critter dies just as dead and humanely as if you had shot it with a rifle or bow.

Shot placement IS key

But caliber helps. If I hit a pig 4 inches back from his heart with a pistol caliber, he is running for awhile, and will probably suffer a long and agonizing death.

If I hit that same pig with the same shot, with my 6.8 or 8mm they are probably going to drop on the spot, because of the damage, and blood loss

With the Bison Armory, 6.8, I had one run 15 feet this year after being shot........... All the others didnt take another step

If i would have used a 40 in a carbine, I am sure that I would be tracking a wounded pig
For awhile.

And....... Lets be honest, have you ever shot at a running deer or pig at 30 yards, and didnt hit exactly where you were aiming?

Just because someone killed a pig with one doesnt make it the best choice. A 17hmr shot through the eye would probably also kill a pig........... I am not that good of a shot to hit a running pig in the eye.

I stand by getting as close to 1000ft lbs as possible for a hunting round on midsize animals. If you can do that with a 357, great....... But the carbines like Hipoint and Keltec dont push out a bullet fast enough to get there.

I think these pistol carbines are great fun...... Just not the best tool for the job of hunting.

 

[flipajig]

I don't have a Hi Point but I do have a Ruger PC-9 witch is about the same. With my hand loads I've run them at 1300 fps witch is low side 357 mag valosity with Corbon I've seen 1450 fps witch is 357 mag valosity with. 158 grain WC granted this will have more kinetic energy becouse of the extra bullet weight.
Will it harvest a mid size game animal yes it would. Would it be my first choice NO it wouldn't. Would I do it if I had no other choice YES I would over a 22 it 17HMR.
Flip

 

[rule303]

While it wouldn't be my first choice, it could certainly be used to make clean kills in many circumstances. Many people use .357 handguns, and a 9mm or .40 in a carbine is making darn near the same energy levels in a platform that is much easier to aim properly under pressure. With a well constructed bullet, it should work just fine if used within traditional bow/handgun ranges.

 

[SimplyChad]

I hunt white tail and hogs in east texas using a 1911 and ruger SRH (standard colt loading) all the time. Of course it adds a level of difficulty in picking my shots and getting closer. Using the same rules I would have no issues with a 9mm or 40 cal +p carbine being used.

 

[adelbridge]

all states set minimum caliber requirements for protected game species, follow the law and there is no moral dilemma.

 

[SimplyChad]

IIRC any centerfire ammo at all can be used on deer in Texas. And for other than deer I think anything goes. (excluding certain game birds)

 

[Panzercat]

I can get around 600 ft lbs with my 9mm HiPoint.... Just sayin'.

...Of recoil?

 

[Njal Thorgeirsson]

I have been considering a hi-point carbine for general plinking fun.

But that's just not a great firearm for any hunting besides close-range pest control. Can it work for ethical hunting? Sure, if you are within 50-70 yards and you are using proper loads. Point is, if you want a budget gun you can hunt deer/hogs with, get a Savage Axis or other similar cheap rifle that is 1) far more accurate 2) capable at far greater distances 3) considerably more powerful and suitable

 

[rondog]

I met a guy who owns a large property in a heavily populated rural area, and the deer are so thick there he's given vouchers to shoot lots of them to help control the population. They're a nuisance to landscaping, a danger to little kids, and a real traffic hazard problem.

There's so many houses around though, that he said he prefers to use a 9mm carbine at 50-75 yards, and the local DOW Ranger has approved it. Not really a rifle-safe area, but he said he can use up to a .30-30 depending on which direction the shot lies. He didn't tell me what 9mm carbine he uses though. I have both HiPoint 9mm and .40S&W carbines, and both are quite accurate and capable of +P loads.

 

[Blue Brick]

I am not advocating that the Hi-Point will do everything, but with shot placement it should be a nice low range alternative to a rifle round carbine. Shot placement has always been the key to success. A deer will drop with a 22LR to the neck and in some back woods areas where the law might be kin it still does happen. Deer are considered nuisance in many farming areas.


Note: There is a Modified (from 40 S&W) 10mm Hi-Point carbine.

 

[BobTheTomato]

I wouldnt think of hunting midsize game with a pistol

I was thinking about the desert eagle in 50ae for deer. Is that too small?

Also, dont they make a highpoint carbine in 45acp?

 

[Ar180shooter]

I probably wouldn't shoot a deer with a pistol caliber carbine (although this is debatable, as I probably would shoot one with a .357 magnum, and out of the long barrel from a PCC, many 9mm loadings are going 1400+fps, which brings them in to .357 territory). Smaller hogs/coyotes/etc, I would shoot using a PCC without hesitation, although, an SKS isn't much more expensive, but shoots a much more appropriate round for hunting small/medium game.

 

[jrdolall]

I have killed deer with a spear. 15 yards was my acceptable range. I had a compound bow at the time which is a MUCH better option than a spear. For every deer I was able to kill I had 10 bolt when I pulled back to throw. I was young, it was a challenge, and I enjoyed the heck out of it.
I have never hunted anything with a pistol caliber though I would not really have a problem doing it if the urge struck me. At acceptable archery range I think there are many pistol calibers that are adequate and quite obviously there are pistol rounds that are more than adequate even at long range.
The Hi Point 9mm carbine is fun to shoot and pretty darned accurate at 50 yards using factory ammo. If I ever get a hankering I will get my guy to load up some "hot" loads and see if I can feel proficient enough to hunt with it. My normal go to gun is a 30-06 and virtually every shot I have taken in the past 10 years has been under 100 yards so an accurate pistol load should do the trick.

 

[BruceB]

For the price of a *** HiPoint, you could find MANY ex-military "bubba " conversions that fire EFFECTIVE rounds, and can easily reach a couple hundred yards .

Do yourself and the game animals s favor, and park that thing in the closet for range trips.