Hunting with your Hi Point Carbine

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Zero issue with it what so ever. So my new 445 Super Mag lever gun isn't a good deer and pig rifle with 270-300 grain soft point? It is a pistol caliber.
Should I not use that to hunt this year?
 
Eb1....when you find a highpoint chambered in that round, your comment may be applicable. Might want to reread the title......It certainly doesn't ask if lever guns shooting 300 gr bullets will kill things. Its referencing hunting with a hi-point carbine, which is hardly the same comparison.
 
I understand, and I still don't have an issue with a 165 grain to 180 grain HP from a 16" carbine being used for deer or hogs.
For all intent and purposes I use a 125 grain HPFN from a 20" 30-30 at only 2150 fps to kill deer yearly. The rifle is a Marlin 336 with a 20" barrel, and it is also using a Busnell Red Dot zeroed at 75 yards. The woods are marked off with tape so I keep the shots within that 75 yards.
I have also used a M1 Carbine to kill deer as dead as dead is.
If bow with a 110 grain 1" bolt from a crossbow is legal and deadly to a deer then so should a .356 caliber to .452 caliber bullet with weights of 115 grains to 230 grains kept within a very reasonable range.

Within a range of 75 yards I do not see that there would be any reason to doubt the capability of a 9mm, .40, or .45 ACP from a carbine to cleanly kill a medium skin gamed animal. As for pigs....Ear hole only.

Another way to look at it is if a 7.62x39, which is a pistol cartridge in my opinion, is legal and capable with soft points or hollow points so should the calibers the Hi-Point is chamber in.
I also like to use a .223 for shooting deer. Our deer here in AR are not Iowa/Illinois style 280 lbs deer. If you shoot a 200 lbs deer in Southern AR. You have shot a big deer.

Doesn't the saying go something like this, "Beware the man who only has one gun. He probably knows how to use it!"?
 
Eb1 said:
I understand, and I still don't have an issue with a 165 grain to 180 grain HP from a 16" carbine being used for deer or hogs.
For all intent and purposes I use a 125 grain HPFN from a 20" 30-30 at only 2150 fps to kill deer yearly. The rifle is a Marlin 336 with a 20" barrel, and it is also using a Busnell Red Dot zeroed at 75 yards. The woods are marked off with tape so I keep the shots within that 75 yards.
I have also used a M1 Carbine to kill deer as dead as dead is.
If bow with a 110 grain 1" bolt from a crossbow is legal and deadly to a deer then so should a .356 caliber to .452 caliber bullet with weights of 115 grains to 230 grains kept within a very reasonable range.

Within a range of 75 yards I do not see that there would be any reason to doubt the capability of a 9mm, .40, or .45 ACP from a carbine to cleanly kill a medium skin gamed animal. As for pigs....Ear hole only.

Another way to look at it is if a 7.62x39, which is a pistol cartridge in my opinion, is legal and capable with soft points or hollow points so should the calibers the Hi-Point is chamber in.
I also like to use a .223 for shooting deer. Our deer here in AR are not Iowa/Illinois style 280 lbs deer. If you shoot a 200 lbs deer in Southern AR. You have shot a big deer.

Doesn't the saying go something like this, "Beware the man who only has one gun. He probably knows how to use it!"?
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The energy from a common 7.62x39 blows away any bullet the Hipoint is chambered for.....

By a LONG way...... Its not even close

For example the Hornady 7.62x39 SST (what I hunted with a while back with my SKS, before I went to an AR15 in 6.8

Muzzle energy 1508
100 yards. 1136

Critical defense 40 cal - Hornady (hopped up personal defence ammo)

Muzzle energy 556 (guestimate with added barrel length 10percent
add ....... Too early to do the math... Should be close)
50 yards. 456


Many people use a rule of thumb for 1000 ft/lbs for minimum harvesting of deer
I beleive its more 850 area with good shot placement

But in either case...... A pistol bullet 45, 40, or 9 isnt the best choice... There arent any 357 magnum Hipoints..... So not really an impact to this discussion
 
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Our ancestors were using similarly powered munitions for quite some time to hunt game. Not everyone has the money to buy a separate high-powered rifle in the optimum hunting caliber. Sometimes you make due with what you have.

I don't see an issue here, so long as you recognize the need to make sure the animal dies quickly and humanely.
 
Eb1 said:
because I can shoot it one handed in my VZ 58. lol
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Ok..... Being that I am a nice guy...... I will trade you a awesome, deer and grizzley bear slayin Hipoint carbine for your VZ58

I dont even need any money... Even swap...
 
The whole " it could" is irrelevant ( for deer ) in my homestate of Nebraska, as game and parks sets the minimum power at 1000 ftlbs of bullet energy @100 yards for rifles, ( however, they DO make exceptions for .357 and .45 Colt rifles) Handguns must be at least 600ftlbs @50 yards, also no semi auto that holds more than 6 rounds ( which is easy enough to get around )
 
I don't see why you wouldn't/couldn't. I've dropped a doe in her tracks at about 20 yards with an XD sub compact in .40 simply because she walked under me and to my right and wasn't offering a shot with my rifle. Many of deer have fallen to the 10mm in nothing more than a G20 or Delta Elite. >357's take deer/hog every season. If you want to hunt with a pistol carbine go for it. Just practice, know your limitations and the gun's limitations, take only ethical shots and have fun with it.
 
EB1 said:
Another way to look at it is if a 7.62x39, which is a pistol cartridge in my opinion, is legal and capable with soft points or hollow points so should the calibers the Hi-Point is chamber in.
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Well, a 7.62x39mm isn't a "pistol cartridge", regardless of your opinion. .41 and .44 Magnum, from a carbine, clearly are intermediate-level cartridges (like the 5.45x39mm, 5.56x45mm, 6.5x39mm, 6.8SPC, and 7.62x39mm).

A close range, with a very careful shot, and quality JHP, the 9x19mm and .40 S&W can work, but it's silly to use them if you have a more suitable option. To put it in perspective, a .357 revolver is borderline for deer, and from a carbine, these calibers are still less powerful than that. We have a responsibility to act ethically, and attempting to take deer with 9mm in non-emergency situations isn't very ethical.

John
 
all states set minimum caliber requirements for protected game species, follow the law and there is no moral dilemma.
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So, here it is anything 6mm and up...yup, that's diameter, the law says nothing about case capacity. While 9x19 is legal, i suppose you're right in the lack of moral dilemma, because i think that would just be wrong...
 
I don't own any hipoints anymore, the name is more of a joke than anything else. They're decent guns though, definitely when price is a consideration. That said, I was trying to get a carbine to take care of deer around here for quite some time ( I own a farm and have depredation permits for the varmints). I tried a hi-point .45 carbine, mainly because .45acp is relatively quiet compared to the power it has, couldn't get good grouping out of it. I was really sad about that, I had looked for a hipoint .45 for a couple of years before I finally got one.

The 9mm seems to group quite well though. I still wouldn't personally take a deer with a 9mm unless it was really close and I hunt them as varmints, not "majestic game". I'm not saying you shouldn't though... I have since quit using a .22 LR for deer (perfectly legal in N.C. to use a .22 LR for deer during season) because of the unacceptable differences in ammo, I've lost 2 deer because of bad .22 ammo, put a bunch in the freezer, but after 2 ran off it just wasn't worth it anymore. Both of these were with some sort of "premium" ammo, but I heard the round kinda go "poompf" instead of a loud "crack" and watched one of the bullets bounce off the deer's skull.

I do however use a .22 magnum while patrolling the farm, with the ammo I have the .22 mag has more power and speed at 100 yards than a .22LR has at the muzzle! Still doesn't mean it's ideal for everyone, and you have to really choose your shots.

I get it though, I really wanted my .45 hipoint carbine to be a deer killing machine, turned out it just wasn't. Deer aren't superbeasts, and it's capable of it, just not great. if you want a light handling, easy to use gun that won't break the bank or kick the snot out of you, try a .30-30. They're pretty darn nifty and can be bought used cheaper than a high point carbine is new...

just my experiences with different things I've heard mentioned in this thread. I've killed a bunch of deer here with my permits, I know how different rounds put meat in the freezer... for me a .22 magnum is great when I'm just patrolling (mainly looking for groundhogs and rabbits, but definitely deer capable), but if I see a deer, or am intending on shooting a deer, I'll grab the .30-30 or the .30-06 everytime. The only exception I have is that I'm legal to spotlight on the farm as well, when I spotlight, I always use the .22 magnum just for noise consideration of the neighbors and the spotlight is really only ideal for ranges that the .22 mag is capable in.
 
Dean1818 said:
If you try to take a pig or a deer with the pistol carbine, you have a VERY high chance of an unethical, unneccessarily long and painful death to a living animal.

There are MUCH better choices for hunting

I wouldnt think of hunting midsize game with a pistol

I want to be as close to 1000 ft lbs as possible, even with the longer barrel, you would have difficulty getting a pistol bullet to 450ft lbs........at the muzzle, let alone at hunting ranges

But..... Its a free country
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Uhhh.. Some +P+ rounds exceed 500 ft lbs out of pistols. Carbines like high pressure rounds, and with a 18-16 inch barrel that same round will probably yield around 700-800 ft lbs of energy. That exceeds magnum revolver cartridges, which are recommended for midsize game.
 
Although a 9 in the ear at 25 yards will more than likely work. A person from high school told me he was in "Rifle Country" so he brought a 9mm carbine (guessing a hi-point) and unloaded in a deer and never recovered it. I left kinda thinking he was kinda a dummy and would never dream showing up to hunt with my friends with a Hi-point carbine. In fact I may be politely asked to leave the gun in the truck and push the woods for them.
 
I look at this way: .357 Magnum pistols have been used, and are considered sporting for deer. A +P or +P+ 9mm out of a carbine length barrel will have ballistics close to, or exceeding the magnum round.

Many talked of shot placement, I'm going to take a wild position and say the longer sight radius and shoulder mount of a carbine is going to be much more accurate than a pistol.

Same ballistics, more accurate. So why not? Not a first choice, but a choice non the less.

The only downside I see is a friend seeing you running around in the woods during deer season with a Hi-Point. Not sure that's a chance I'm willing to take. :D
 
Legal does not always equal ethical. And, as I already pointed out, the .357 Magnum from a handgun is considered borderline for deer. A 9x19mm carbine is less powerful than the performance level most educated shooters already consider to be barely powerful enough.
 
By the way I asked Hi-Point about a 10mm carbine. They said “most likely not because of ammunition price it’s suppose to be a working mans firearm”, but I said “well maybe you could make it fire 40 S&W too” silent pause….then “good point I’ll bring that up”.
 
stressed said:
Uhhh.. Some +P+ rounds exceed 500 ft lbs out of pistols. Carbines like high pressure rounds, and with a 18-16 inch barrel that same round will probably yield around 700-800 ft lbs of energy. That exceeds magnum revolver cartridges, which are recommended for midsize game.
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You dont get that increase that you think you would with a longer barrel with a pistol round

There are many folks that have put the chrono on the Hipoint....... 75 to 100 fps increase is all they are getting over a pistol. This does not translate to an increase of 200 ft/lbs


To effectively hunt, shouldnt you go to at least 50 yards?....... At that range you lose nearly 25% of your energy from a pistol cartridge

"Recommended for mid size game". By who?


Look...... I think hipoint carbines are fun guns to shoot

But...... There are so many much better choices for deer and pigs
 
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I would use my 20 ga single barrel with a slug in place of the hi-point. Its cheaper and more effective, at least within 75 yards. Also built like a tank vs the plastic hi-point.
 
Try a 91/30 for hunting large game. The 91/30 is actually less expensive to own than a Hi Point carbine. You can find hunting ammo for it at last years prices. If you get lost in the woods you can use it for a tent pole until another hunter finds you. I can go on and on about the advantages of a 91/30 over any pistol caliber carbine.
 
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