Hurricane EVAC Rifle?

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What Art said. I used to live in Florida; if I evacuate from a hurricane, it will be before it hits; if it doesn't merit evacuation, then we'll shelter in place. If we do go, guns and any other portable, easily secured valuables, as well as irreplaceables like photos and important documents, will go with us.

After a major hurricane (and it would presumably have been a major one if you are evacuating), you would rarely be slogging it out on foot. New Orleans was not typical, I think (many streets were below sea level).

If I stayed around for a storm that turned out to be more severe than expected, and the situation later became untenable, I'd try wait for the roads to be cleared, and then leave in the car, I think (there are ways to ensure your car will be operational).
 
SHTF, I'd take my concealed 1911, no need for a rifle, while we all dream of zombie infestations and other apocolyptical situations where we are mini-commandos, in real life, looters are the only thing you might have to worry about, which means you are in your home or someone else's home. I take it that if you have 2 nice rifles and lots of mags, you are not financially unstable, in which case you would have the means to leave the area. If it is "that bad" that you think you would need a rifle to defend yourself. The problem with Katrina was it hit a city below sea level, and alot of the people could not afford to leave, thats why they stayed.

If you stay, generally you will be inside, if someone is going to cause you harm they are going to be within pistol range. You arent going to snipe them for coming on your land, and shooting someone with a rifle in self defense will cause you more trouble than "surviving" The harsh reality of self defense with fire arms is:you are generally concidered GUILTY until you prove yourself INNOCENT

.......but if you are trying to defend your land or open area against looters and pilliagers, I'd go with a 1919 .30 cal machinegun on sandbags on the roof. (If you still have one after the storm). Good visibility for any would be evildoers on your property and you will have the high ground. Just remember to fire in short bursts so that the barrel doesnt heat up to much:neener:
 
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Go for the AR-15...

I would lean towards the more domestically associated AR-15 over the AK in this instance. Of course if it were my weapons that I got to chose from, I would take the Glock 23 and my 10.5" AR-15 pistol. More fire power, and concealed in a back pack... Therefore, it would be the best compromise for me:D! You can't confiscate what you can't see:neener::evil:!!

Still 2 Many Choices!?
 
Well considering that evacuation forces might be carrying AR style weapons I suggets the AR it makes you look like a good guy and could possibly get you under the radar.
Being seen carrying any gun will definitely not put you under the radar. Do you guys really think a cop or NG patrolling is going to go "Gun! .. Oh wait he's got an AR, he's OK." :rolleyes:
 
Another thing to keep in mind, even in a time of emergency, some states its illegal to open carry, that includes rifles :what:
 
If we get hit by another storm I am not staying in Beaumont so what few guns I HAVE GO WITH ME. Main 2 Krebs AK & CZ75 Stainless.
 
A little background first - I spent the first 10 days (1 before and 9 after) of the storm in the Superdome. The next 2-3 months were in and around New Orleans. My primary weapon at the time was my M9 where I carried for all to see and my 45 for all not to see, 3 extra mags for the M9 and 6 for the 45! My M4 stayed in the rack while in the dome, although it was short and easy to carry, I just didnt want to bother with a long gun in those tight quarters. After the water went down and we started doing the security thing in the city the weapon of choice was my M4.
Now with all that being said. I would choose the AR along with a good 45 if I just had to have a long gun. A couple of good pistols will handle most any situation you come across. Having had quite a bit of experience in the matter, anyone we came across with an AK was automatically suspect, bottom line, no questions. Many citizens we came across were armed with just about any imaginable firearm. It was only the AK's and the really cheap pistols that really aroused our suspicion. We talked to many civilians that were armed and although we did question them, it was primarily in the inner city with people that did not have a good reason to be where they were that it became a problem. Out of the hundreds of people we interacted with, only a few had problems.

An AR 15 is not the common thug firearm and by dressing it up with a good light and possibly some optics you make it easier to identify as a good guy. All the police I worked with and my fellow soldiers did not bother the good guys one bit after they were identified as such other than ask if they needed anything, besides, most were better armed than us, LOL.

As far as firearms in the shelters go no weapons were allowed, regardless of type.


Bottom line - carry a couple pistols that you are comfortable with and can shoot well, some extra mags and a GOOD flashlight with extra batteries. Carry them in a backpack, fanny pack, somewhere out of sight but easy to get to and you will be ok. Keep aware of your surroundings and whats going on around you, travel during the day. The only people we physically searched were the ones trying to enter shelters and the ones that were giving us trouble.
 
I live 7 miles from the beach in South Florida and have lived through Andrew, Francis, Jeanne, & Wilma. I am not going anywhere but staying here and riding it out. So with that being said, I will keep my rifles in the safe with my .45 on my hip and wait for it to pass. If at that time, I need to break them out again, then I will.

Same here, IM not bugging out with anything, we are staying put.

We have great neighbors and everyone pulled together and help anyone that needed help. We watched each others property and such while we were out and about.
 
I am personally looking at one of the Kel Tec SU-16A carbines for something along these lines. Here are the pros:

-It holds two extra 10 rd mags or one 20 or 30 rd mag right in the butt
-It folds in half and would fit in my backpack that serves as my emergency grab and go easily
-It uses widely available .223 ammo and AR mags, more common than AK mags and 7.62x39
-It is relatively inexpensive when compared to an AR
-There is very little metal to rust or corrode
-The forend features a built in bipod and would come in handy at some point I'm sure
-More accurate than an AK
-Available in the Bravo model that is a light weight version with a shorter bbl, would be handy for one on the move
-Built in Picatinny rail for mounting optics
-Compact model's size would allow the firepower of a long gun and would only take up a little more room than that extra cased handgun in a duffel or back pack. Significantly less bulk than an AR or AK, you can't always walk around with a rifle slung over your shoulder, emergency or not.

Cons:

-It's mostly plastic, unsure how it would hold up in the long term. Unsure how prolonged sustained fire would affect it.

That's the only one I can think of.
 
I find it amazing that so many people that posted had very little confidence in the AR15 style weapons.

The idea that the civilian version of a weapon that the military has been using for decades as unreliable is absurd. My AR15 can withstand a whole lot more abuse than my aging body can.

My suggestions, leave early and take all easily movable valuables.
 
Been there, done that.

I evacuated twice, and learned some stupid people died on the barrier islands to the south of us when they tried to ride out the storm, then realized they were in trouble and attempted to cross the causeways during the height of the storm. Local government makes no bones about folks who ride out storms during evacuations not getting any emergency services if they opt to do that. That's a good idea, why should ambulance, fire, and police stick their necks out to rescue folks too dumb to get out of the way?

We were given lawful orders by both the Brevard County Sheriff's Office and 45th Space Wing Commander to evac from the Spacecoast barrier islands during Hurricanes Jeanne and Francis. We threw our big Tupperware hurricane evac kits (you have one of those ready, don't you?) into the two vehicles and hit the highway after dropping off the rest of the G-98 firearms collection at a friend's home in Melbourne. We learned that as soon as the evac order is given by the sheriff's department, one hits the road. To wait much longer tempts finding gridlock on the evacuation routes, something we experienced during the evacuation of Hurricane Floyd in 1999.

Along with the three dogs, my wife and I packed a couple personal rifles. Even being familiar with and qualifying yearly with the M16, I'm not a big fan of the AR-15, but I do own a few, and my wife appreciates the lack of recoil. So I packed my Bulgarian SLR-95, full mag, bolt closed on an empty chamber, she had a Colt HBAR, full mag, bolt closed on an empty chamber. We also had two 1911 variants stashed amongst our belongings ready to go if we needed them. We had made our reservations in a LaQuinta Inn in Kissimmee, FL, and wasted no time getting there. (Note: the State of Florida relaxed the tolls on the the BeeLine during hurricane evacs) We took the hurricane kits, coolers, water, provisions, and dogs into our motel room and waited it out until given the all-clear to return to Merritt Island. The four jerry cans of gasoline stayed cabled to the bed of my truck. Gasoline vendors tend to sell out quickly and also gouge prices during evacs, and I wasn't taking any chances in not having enough fuel to get our two vehicles home after the storm had passed, especially if we encountered interstate gridlock again.

What we didn't expect was a huge gaggle of British tourists who had been stranded in Orlando due to the airport closure. They had also been put up in the same LaQuinta Inn, and you should've seen how large their eyes were when a couple showed up with two vehicles full of bug-out gear, each slinging a loaded rifle over their shoulders. But that was the extent of it, just big eyes. The Orange County Sheriff's Department did show up, but it was to quell a dispute instigated by some very drunk and belligerent British guests who weren't happy about being stuck in Orlando. The deputies weren't too concerned about the folks arriving from the evacuated coast, even if they did have rifles slung on their shoulders. They waved and smiled at my wife and I as we moved stuff from the vehicles to the motel room. Having been just released from the base sandbagging detail earlier in the day, I was wearing my full BDUs, so maybe having a rifle over my shoulder didn't unnerve them in that context. I don't know, and I didn't give it much thought at the time.

Since those evacuations, I've acquired a sidefolder Romanian SAR-1, so if we were ever to be in the same situation, my wife would carry the SLR-95, and I'd carry the SAR-1.

As it turns out, Hurricane Jeanne tracked right across Florida into the Orlando area before swinging north and up the East Coast. While the winds had diminished a bit from when Jeanne made landfall, it was still no fun walking the dogs like kites on their leashes, and having the LaQuinta Inn lose power, water, and A/C. I have since promised my wife since I retired that we would no longer make Florida our home. Now she's crabby about the -20 temps we had here in Wisconsin in February. Oh, well... :D
 
The idea that the civilian version of a weapon that the military has been using for decades as unreliable is absurd.
Many of us have had the opportunity to use the military version in somewhat extreme circumstances, real or simulated) and it did not fill us with the same confidence that your AR gives you
 
I think that an SKS would be perfect as a cheap rifle for exactly these conditions.

Shotgun also seems more useful than semi-auto.

The primary function of your long gun is not for engaging in a firefight with, it is there to be visible in silhoulette so unsavory-types will know to stay away from you.
 
All of these posts give some great insight, especially those that have been there before and can draw on their experiences. I too am a veteran of almost 50 years of living on the Texas gulf coast and have been through several big hurricanes. Most of us who have been through a big hurricane (including Celia in 1970 when I was a kid) don't care to go through another one. A lot of the people who stay behind either haven't been through one yet, or get so looped at a hurricane party that they don't care.

My family (including my elderly parents who have been through about 10 hurricanes) now evacuate as soon we can if a hurricane threatens, even if it's only a "baby" hurricane. The key to evacuating is to first know where you're going and to leave early enough to avoid the gridlock that always happens when most people wait until the last minute and all want to go the same way to the same town down the same interstate. We take the back roads on a full tank of gas and head to a small town. If you leave early and the hurricane hits 50 miles away, you can turn around and go home.

However, circumstances might force you to remain behind. One thing that has been touched on is that electricity will likely be out for quite awhile, and if you're used to living in a city, you'll be surprised as to how dark it really gets when no lights are on. You'll want to make sure you have fresh tritium sights on your rifle, and it's my experience that it's easier and cheaper to install tritiums on an AR-15. It's also imperative that you have a good surefire-type light attached to the rifle (as well as several on your person), and again it's easier and usually cheaper to accomplish this on an AR-15. Plus, if you use a sight such as the Eotech or Aimpoint, both are easier to hang on an AR.

While I have and use both AK's and AR's, if you're limited to the two, my vote in this situation is for the AR. I personally use an M1A Scout Rifle.
 
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I put tritium sights on my go-to AKs since my last hurricane evac. They've become easy to find and install. Brownell's even stocks them. ;)

The power stayed out in Satellite Beach for almost two weeks after Jeanne. Keep that in mind, and if you have a generator, either make sure it's got a good muffler, or offer an extension cord to your neighbor who is up listening to it in the middle of the night. :eek:
 
Hi All

I have been thinking about this sort of thing a while too.

As of late my thoughts are that if I had to leave then I would want my Mini 14 and a single shot 20 gauge. Reasons, well the shotgun is great for gathering food and 20 gauge ammo wont be tooooo heavy. The mini 14 can be used as is for defense and with reduced loads can take small game.

Yeah I look at things more from a foraging standpoint but thats just me :)

Later
Kid
 
It was only the AK's and the really cheap pistols that really aroused our suspicion.


This kinda concerns me if it is an indication of stereotyping by LEO's-- especially since if there aren't as many AK's in lawful citizen's hands as AR's, the number is close.


I did Katrina full-blown as well. I kept an AK with me, and I will do so for any future Katrina-like scenerio. I'm hardly a thug, and I do not expect to be treated as such.

I prefer the AK platform over the AR because frankly .223 has very little application for other needs in my area. The weight and knockdown of a 7.62x39 has more use for me when S isn't HTF. An AR would be collecting dust for me, and I don't need any more $1,000 dust rags.

Protection is protection, and our rights to do so are non-negotiable. I'd say that LEO's with this attitude need to adjust that attitude.


-- John
 
My hurricane choices would be:
1st) Win ’94 (have)
2nd) AR (not yet)
3rd) AK (have an SKS instead)

But to be dead honest I’d most likely take the AR (broken down) as well as the Win ’94 just because it’s so dang expensive! If room permits (as it does now) everything is in the trunk.

Given your AK is a folder… I’d go with that and have the AR broken down in the trunk somewhere if I could afford the space. Just because I’d have trouble leaving a $1k gun unattended. But I’m a cheapskate.

However, even the ’94 is hidden. Primary guns are Handguns. The long gun is just incase things get sketchy at the EVAC point or something happens to us on the way and we are stuck in a bad place. I figure the old friendly lever gun will freak fewer people out if it needs to come out for a spell.

Living in Houston and above the flood plain, I don’t plan to go if it’s a small one. If I lived right on the coast, you couldn’t pay me to stay.

Good advice about the AR sights. Never even crossed my noggin. If the budget permits me to have an AR, I’ll certainly get some.

Oh, and you have all your other bug out and bug in supplies/papers/pictures/valuables sorted out? Right?
 
I was in Woodville, Texas the day after RITA, I drove from Navasota thru two police road blocks I had my Benelli NOVA with a plus two extension and flashlight mount. Also had my AR in the rack and about 1000 round for the ar plus 200 for the shottie. The DPS troppers gave me no problems at all.
I was carring a 30 gallon of gas two generators food and ice to my in-laws.
We even drove around over there and check on folks and never got even stopped or questioned about the guns or activities we where doing.
I was from that area but most of the people that I knew had already left.
DRJ
 
Having had quite a bit of experience in the matter, anyone we came across with an AK was automatically suspect, bottom line, no questions. Many citizens we came across were armed with just about any imaginable firearm. It was only the AK's and the really cheap pistols that really aroused our suspicion
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An AR 15 is not the common thug firearm and by dressing it up with a good light and possibly some optics you make it easier to identify as a good guy. All the police I worked with and my fellow soldiers did not bother the good guys one bit after they were identified as such other than ask if they needed anything, besides, most were better armed than us, LOL.

reppondj,
Would you kindly elaborate on the statement I highlighted in bold text?


Stereotyping someone because of what they choose to defend themselves and their loved ones with is wrong on sooo many levels.
I find it very disconcerting that any LEO or NG would negatively stereotype me for having an AK. That would be like me thinking all LEO's eat too many donuts because some of them are fat. Hopefully, that's just a regional thing.
So, this leaves me thinking it has to be an unfamiliarity thing. Unfamiliarity with the AK-47 platform and the folks who own them. Most AK's start at ~$400.00 and go up from there so it can't possibly be anything having to do with AK pricing. I deeply believe you and your buds should to do a little rethinking on who needs extra scrutiny and who doesn't. MANY people I meet and know who have AK's are people you'd prefer to have with you if you knew them when the SHTF. They are folks who go out of their way to do the right thing and make sure they are observing the letter of the law in the area of their weapons and their private lives. IOW, they are High Road kind of people.

So, here I am, a law abiding, former Marine, college graduate, tax paying homeowner with no mortgage and hasn't had so much as a traffic violation in over 15 years and in a Katrina-like scenario I'm gonna get special negative attention from a cop/NG because I carry an AK-47 and not an AR-whatsit?! :what: :scrutiny: :uhoh: :mad:

What's wrong with that picture??

May I just say:
Ex-cuuuuse ME for picking the more powerful and reliable platform! :neener: :D

(And now, for my best Seinfeld imitation):
Not that theres anything wrong with the AR. :D :p
 
nd it's my experience that it's easier and cheaper to install tritiums on an AR-15. It's also imperative that you have a good surefire-type light attached to the rifle (as well as several on your person), and again it's easier and usually cheaper to accomplish this on an AR-15. Plus, if you use a sight such as the Eotech or Aimpoint, both are easier to hang on an AR.


Tritiums on an AK: Call Brownells... no problems
Or: http://www.tacticalresponsegear.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=23_93&products_id=2894

Light, It's cheaper for an AK:
http://www.tacticalresponsegear.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=2574

Red dot mount:
http://www.ultimak.com/


I worked (In uniform) after Katrina, I saw COPS with AK 47's, AK74's, SKS's, FAL's, AR's, Shotguns, lever guns...

Any civillian with a gun was treated the same if they wern't acting like looting
gangbangers.

Don't let it be seen.
 
During Rita...

...when I had to pull out of Galveston I carried my G19, SP101 and my WASR10. I placed a high premium on guns I KNEW would go BANG first time, everytime.

I stayed in a hotel to the north of the city and had to haul my stuff through the lobby, including the AK. Which concealed rather nicely in an elongated canvas bag that once was home to a beach chair. In fact, I left the rather obvious tag on the bag denoting "chair" for effect. Nobody gave me a second glance.

AK's - underfolder or not (and mine wasn't) are still pretty compact, slim rifles that you can conceal easily enough (without burying them so that they couldn't be quickly called into action) if you put some thought into it.
 
Go with an AK.

But be sure to have it more or less "covered" most of the time. In the U.S., the primary weapon is gonna be the pistol. Alot of S has to HTF before openly carrying long guns will just be the normal order of the day.

Not to say a whole lot of folks won't have long guns accessible.
 
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