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I am so sick of the term "high capacity"!

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by ShooterMcGavin, Apr 11, 2009.

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  1. ShooterMcGavin

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    Sales people in gun shops, ads all over gunbroker, and references everywhere incorrectly label magazines as "high capacity"!! It plays right into the gun-grabbers hands (using their terminology) and it annoys the heck out of me!! If the base plate of the magazine sits flush with the bottom of the grip, it is a standard capacity magazine!!!! Seventeen rounds in a G17 sounds like a lot, but that is still the standard capacity. The 33-round magazine sticking out of the bottom can certainly be called high capacity. A 30-round mag is what the AR-15 was designed to use; however, the Beta C-mags can certainly be called high capacity.

    Am I the only one who corrects people when they claim to be selling a gun with a 15-round "high capacity" magazine at gun shows? ...or when someone shows me their new [semi-auto] assault rifle? No matter how nicely I try to correct the terminology, I still sometimes get an argument and then a look like "gee, you are a pedantic @$$hole, arent' you?". If you are one of these folks, say it silently to yourself a dozen times each day - standard capacity, STANDARD capacity.

    I even see this crap being spewed here. If you claim to support the 2nd Amendment, please come over to this side of the fence :)

    /rant-off
     
  2. Hungry Seagull

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    Well I can think of many other words over the years that made me irate to no end.

    For example with computers... Intergrated Video! :barf:

    Or Cars.... Onboard Engine Control System! Wait.. dont we have a human that does that already?

    Or... questionable ammuntions... EXPLOSIVE HIGHSHOCK!!!! Huh? does that make my Brenneke Slugs less.... uber?

    I can go on but can only smile and remember some of other words... like....


    Cabbage Patch Dolls, Tickleme Elmo, Pokemon (***>?) etc....

    Oh yes, Action toys that;s it.

    I understand everything now....

    Retail is dead, long live the Firearms industry that has been infused with laid off marketers and advertising executives seeking a safe haven in one of the last remaining bastions of American HIGH PAYING JOBS!

    What they need to do is start handing out Xanax to anyone entering a Gun Store so that the large explosive flatuance of advertising does not pump thier blood pressure too high too fast.
     
  3. harmonic

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    Probably not, but I don't waste my time. If you get bent everytime somebody incorrectly references a thing, any thing, you're going to spend most of your life generally "bent."

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  4. gym

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    Also Amazing, if there is just one word that is overused by our society for the lack of vocabulary is amazing, this gun is, this ammo is etc, everything is amazing
     
  5. Hungry Seagull

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    Yes. Amazing! Aint it.

    What is really upsetting to me is to buy into the hype, pay the money, take item home. Unwrapping the box to discover that some sort of third world Nation hired by Airsoft to make the item in the first place.
     
  6. Duke of Doubt

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    Two days ago I went on a local shoot of vintage US weapons. Guess you could say we re-enacted Pork Chop Hill. Holy CRAP, that was fun. Multiple Garands, Carbines, 1911s, Colt and Smith Revolvers, and ... wait for it ... a Tommy gun. Now THAT is one high-capacity magazine. Can't deny. Yes, I always though calling the Beretta 15-rounder "high-capacity" was a bit silly. Stacked up next to an MP40 or M1928 mag it looks rather "low cap" indeed. But "standard capacity" sounds techy, political and defensive. Just refer to factory mags, or to mags by their capacity.
     
  7. Eric F

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    high capacity has its place still, for example gor the gun gamers, there is limited 10 and open class which allows for high capacity magazines Why do you let something so trivial bother you?
     
  8. Hungry Seagull

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    Well. Let's see.

    AWB. High Capacity? Hm. Aha. Regulated Capacity! Yes thati's it!!!:neener:
     
  9. SaxonPig

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    Anything beyond 8 is considered "high capacity" because this is what the 1911 carried and to many that gun is the standard by which all others are measured. The P35 was the original "high capacity" pistol and I think the term is properly applied given that it was higher than the 1911 which was considered "standard."

    Yes, a 14 round magazine is "standard" for a S&W Model 59 as that is what the gun was designed to use. But, the Model 59 is a "high capacity" pistol when compared to the 1911 with its 8 round capacity so of course magazines for this model (and similar guns) would be seen as "high capacity."

    Maybe it would just be easier to find something else to obsess over?
     
  10. ShooterMcGavin

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    It's not all the time that I am annoyed by this, only when I hear or read the term being improperly used. Also, that mistake is entirely more annoying than other gramatical mistakes (I don't correct people when they call a magazine a "clip"). The reason is that perpetuating this misnomer is supporting the banning of the standard capacity magazine.
     
  11. TxState101

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    High capacity is just another term I use when somebody's got more ammo than I do.
     
  12. Lone_Gunman

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    There are more important things to get your panties in a wad over than this.l
     
  13. wyocarp

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    I'm upset that we can't carry in National Parks like in and around Yellowstone where hiking can easily bring face to face with a Grizzly.

    I'm upset that I can't go buy a new machine gun.

    I'm upset that I can't buy a silencer for any gun I own without being made to jump through this and that and pay a hefty price.

    I'm upset that we have people like the Brady Bunch (Campaign).

    I'm still pissed off that Obama is the president of the United States. I concur with what I heard in a gun store in Gillette, Wyoming when some guys there said that they didn't have a president.

    I'm upset that I can't legally shoot a wolf or a grizzly here in Wyoming and that I can't do so without a guide in Alaska.

    I'm upset that I can't use a "select fire" switch on my ak.

    etc. etc. etc.

    "high capacity" doesn't bother me at all.
     
  14. ShooterMcGavin

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    Yep, that all pisses me off too.

    However, those restrictions are all coming from the other side of the aisle. My annoyance is with the RKBA folks hurting ourselves using the gun-grabbers incorrect terms.

    Ok, I get it. It seems I AM the only person who does not like the term "high capacity" in reference to the standard capacity magazines. I suppose I should not have brought it up; I will get over it.

    I thought it was now legal to carry in a National Park if it is also legal to carry in the state where the NP is located :confused: Am I mistaken or has this been recently changed?
     
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    we re-enacted Pork Chop Hill. Holy CRAP, that was fun.

    My father-in-law was there the 1st time and "fun" is not a word that he used to describe it.:(
     
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    At least you have an option of buy "high" capacity magazines!
     
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    Yep, it was recently changed again. They found a judge to stop the change. I don't understand how that can be legal, but it has happened. There is a law that has been introduced that would change it back in a formal way. We should all be contacting our senators to vote for this change.
     
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    After Obama took office, an court injunction was filed, and the Bush decision to allow carry in parks was halted.

    It is probably wasted effort to work on that bill, since Obama will veto it.
     
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    My hakim rifle standard mag is 10 rds. So if I modify a MG-13 WW2 mag which is 25 rd capacity of 8mm to fit my Hakim rifle, would that count as a High Capacity magazine????????????
     
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    Just to be "that guy"

    If we really want to pick nits...

    1) It's debatable whether the 1911 should be the "standard" for "standard capacity", and

    2) Regarding the Browning "High Power", I've been told that "Grand Puissance" could possibly also translate as "Large Capacity" or "High Capacity", depending on how fancy one wanted to get vis-a-vis the French spoken in Belgium). This may or may not be verifiable fact, but I suppose it has the ring of truth to me becuase it seems more logical, given the characteristics of that weapon. It's also easy to see, from a hype/marketing/popular jargon standpoint, how "high power" might replace the more technical-sounding "high capacity" in the vernacular.

    In any event, my nit to pick is that BOTH of the above weapons were predated by the Mauser C96, and it is therefore incorrect to refer to the "high power" as the first high capacity pistol.
     
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    High capacity is dependent on the round and weapon, to me, a 30 round .223 rem. mag is standard.A 30 round 9mm mag in a MP5 is standard. A 30 round 9mm mag in a Sig, high capacity. Personally the point at which the magazine passes a decent size/weight ratio is when it becomes high capacity.
     
  22. Duke of Doubt

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    Pack: "Regarding the Browning "High Power", I've been told that "Grand Puissance" could possibly also translate as "Large Capacity" or "High Capacity", depending on how fancy one wanted to get vis-a-vis the French spoken in Belgium)."

    Heh-heh. He sed, "Grand Puissance."
     
  23. chibiker

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    Aw poo, I am too lazy to look it up. Didn't lawmakers (bleh) come up with a number that would determine if it was a hi-cap mag.... that way they knew which ones to ban?

    I dunno about the mag fitting flush with the bottom thing, I mean I have 10, 15 and 17 round mags that fit flush in my Beretta. So if the 10 rounder is standard then what are the 15 and 17 rounders considered? Extendend? High? More than regular?
    Or wait, is the 15 and 17 standard and the 10 is reduced capicity? I dunno, I don't care... I just ask for hi-caps when I want more bullets in my pistola.
     
  24. SaxonPig

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    Pack- I'm not saying the 1911 SHOULD be the standard... it IS the standard.

    Good or bad... right or wrong... that's the way it is.
     
  25. ShooterMcGavin

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    That's correct.
     
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