There's always a ton of CA hate on this forum. Outside the gun-laws, California is a great place to live. I can't think of any other state like Cali. But I guess some people have no life outside guns so they like to whine about "California" "California" "PRK" etc. Whatever.
I am soo mad (California sucks)
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Marshall
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Are you serious? You're joking right? I don't think you'll find too many takers on that demand. We didn't vote the laws you have into effect. We didn't vote the politicians you have into office. I'm sorry for you, really. But don't expect us to move out of our great states we have worked hard on and leave them to the liberals to screw up in order to join a state we couldn't change in our lifetime. We're too outnumbered from the south and personally, if I landed in certain areas, I would probably shoot myself after a month anyway so I wouldn't be much help.
I hope you can make a change but that state is going down the left lane like a speeding bullet and picking up FPS daily. I do admire your allegiance and wish you well.
Oh yea, you have some very nice places there and some beauty not found anywhere else.
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i know you don't want plastic but.....
i know you don't want plastic ...but you might consider a sig pro 2022 in 9mm. i borrowed my fathers the other day and i have to say it has one great trigger. i have a p220 and a p228 and i like the 2022 more than both of them. not to mention that the 2022 looks really cool. you can pick one up for around $510.00 bucks. trust me you won't regret getting one. it is the next sig on my list!
i know you don't want plastic ...but you might consider a sig pro 2022 in 9mm. i borrowed my fathers the other day and i have to say it has one great trigger. i have a p220 and a p228 and i like the 2022 more than both of them. not to mention that the 2022 looks really cool. you can pick one up for around $510.00 bucks. trust me you won't regret getting one. it is the next sig on my list!
I've made official residence in several different countries and a handful of states.
I've never lived anywhere that wasn't the best place in the world to live in the estimation of the majority of its residents.
I've never left one of those places without a large group of residents advising me that the place I was moving to was hell, and passionately articulating the reasons why.
I've only ever moved "back" to one place... California; gun laws or not.
As a wise THR member once opined... "guns are just a part of life, not life itself".
I've never lived anywhere that wasn't the best place in the world to live in the estimation of the majority of its residents.
I've never left one of those places without a large group of residents advising me that the place I was moving to was hell, and passionately articulating the reasons why.
I've only ever moved "back" to one place... California; gun laws or not.
As a wise THR member once opined... "guns are just a part of life, not life itself".
Would it not be nice (and surprising easy) if we could return to THR and answer the gentleman's question on type of pistol and drop the "my states firearms laws better than your states...nyah, nyah"
(Dons asbestos suit knowing there is bound to be a flame or 3 from the monomaniacal crew......
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(Dons asbestos suit knowing there is bound to be a flame or 3 from the monomaniacal crew......
)soccergod04
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+1 From a native Virginian
Yeah... you're right.
As has been noted... head over to Cal-Guns and post a WTB. If you are willing to buy via a PPT, you can find virtually anything in-state. When people move IN to CA from other states, they are permitted to import and register their privately and previously owned and non-rostered handguns. I know this because I am about to register mine having just moved back. As such, you can typically pick up whatever you want if you are patient and willing to hunt a bit. Maybe an HK P7?
On the other hand, I don't know off hand of any other manufacturers that offer a gold 9mm. If you are really set on a gold gun you might have a challenge. Others may be better versed.
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Matt King, guns are a way of life. If my guns aren't welcome, neither is me or my family.
I moved from WI to MI because of WI's lack of carry laws. WI is pretty gun friendly, but without a legal method of carry for it's citizens, it's not for me yet.
I moved from WI to MI because of WI's lack of carry laws. WI is pretty gun friendly, but without a legal method of carry for it's citizens, it's not for me yet.
Etc...
Everyone has their priorities. If the ability to carry, own hi-cap mags, etc. means that much to many of you than I would certainly submit that you have made the very best decision by staying where you are... or moving somewhere else.
I can definitely respect that.
Not everyone places their guns, and the ability to carry them, as high on their list of priorities as some of you do however... at least not to the extent that they are prepared to move. Others feel the right to stay put and fight for what they believe.
If the .gov instituted an all out ban on private gun ownership, many of us wouldn't leave the USA either. Some of you undoubtedly would, but many of us like the country well enough to make it worth staying and fighting for. We like it here.
I like Cali. I like it more than other much more gun-friendly places that I've lived. That's just me. I believe many don't like it, but I do. I have interests and priorities that make it sooooo worth it.
Personally, and on behalf of all the other Cali gun owners who feel the way that I do... I hope you can respect that.
If you can't, well... we'll get over it.
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I respect it, I just don't get it.
I live in CA, guns are my life, and I wont be forced out, at least not for the time being,my family has had a presence in CA since at least the 1880's.
Be happy someone keeps a gun culture alive and active in CA.
Outside of LA,SF,Berekley. most non CA people would be surprised how rural and right wing many areas of CA actually are.
, and I wont be forced out, at least not for the time being,my family has had a presence in CA since at least the 1880's. Be happy someone keeps a gun culture alive and active in CA.
Outside of LA,SF,Berekley. most non CA people would be surprised how rural and right wing many areas of CA actually are.
I understand. It's just a matter of priorities I guess.
I once made the acquaintance of an individual who invested 6+ hours of his day, every day, to physical fitness and martial arts training. He was fierce with his hands and moved like a cat. His observation was that it was incomprehensible to him that people could proclaim to be seriously concerned about their personal safety, to the extent they carried a gun, while simultaneously living a sedentary lifestyle, smoking, drinking and eating to the point of obesity.
Yeah... I understand, but the point is he didn't. His beliefs, practices and way of life were sufficiently sacred to him that he just couldn't understand how anyone could put a cheeseburger in their mouth, smoke a cigarette or drink a Heineken.
I believe it is important to be able to handle oneself, but not to the extent that I am willing to spend hours and hours every day perfecting my ground-fighting technique.... nor give up carbs.
Some would call me a fool for that.
Just a matter of priorities.
Beetle Bailey
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Check out the CZ-75B or CZ SP-01. Or shop around for the old Baby Eagle. Somebody's got to have one in stock.
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As bad as CA is with gun laws, it could be worse. Namely, Washington, D.C. If one won't be forced out of CA then that is commendable, but for those who live in D.C. and want a firearm at all, for them there is no other option at the present time (Supreme Court decision notwithstanding) but to either cross the borders at Wisconsin, New Hampshire, Georgia, Massachusetts and Conneticut Avenues into Maryland or cross the Potomac River into Virginia.
Voting with ones feet is effective, no question. However, one does have to respect those who are willing to fight for their rights, despite the current attitudes and the odds in CA. At the same time, if no other option exists such as the case of DC, then by all means leave for a more friendly place to live.
Voting with ones feet is effective, no question. However, one does have to respect those who are willing to fight for their rights, despite the current attitudes and the odds in CA. At the same time, if no other option exists such as the case of DC, then by all means leave for a more friendly place to live.
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Haha, reminds me of the gun/sword fight in Raiders of the Lost Ark. Easier to shoot someone than kick his ass.
Not really, I truly feel sorry for those that are reduced to being second-class citizens because they live in California or some other leftist run state or city.
But frankly, neither you nor I can change the situation. In California, as well as places like New York, Chicago, Washington, DC, Maryland, New Jersey – and so on, you are outnumbered by the freeloader vote that think the welfare state and big government intrusion into every facet of life is a great way to go. So gun owners among others end up standing on a cliff spitting into the wind.
That leaves those who would like to breathe free two options. Move –immigrate to another state where your rights are respected, or stay where you are and take it.
As for myself – I moved. Eventually California, like other leftist societies will collapse under its own weight. But you may not live long enough to see the day.
This from a state that is so messed up it ran out of electricity and had to buy it on the open market. The state deregulated electricity, which means that it allowed itself to go out on the open market and buy. At the same time, the utilities were ordered to freeze the rates they charge their customers. So the price on the open market went up -- because there are only a few suppliers -- and the price to the consumer stayed low. The utilities were paying many times more than they were charging, and they've gone, literally, broke. Southern California Edison has defaulted on one $500 million payment already, and Pacific Gas and Electric has defaulted on another.
Don't expect common sense gun laws when so much else is messed up.
You know I often see Maryland getting lumped in with California, New York, and New Jersey as being gun unfriendly places to live. Having moved from California to Maryland, I can tell you that our 2nd Amendment rights are a far sight better in Maryland than in California or some of the other places you mentioned.
Maryland:
Class 3 state? check
Can I buy an AR-15 or AK-47? check
Handguns? There is an approved roster for handguns, and a fired shell casing requirement. It is headache and we don't like it, but the reality is that with few exceptions, just about anything that can legally be bought anywhere else, is on the approved roster for purchase in Maryland.
Only magazines of 20 rounds or less can be purchased in Maryland. However, magazines of larger capacity are legal to possess. In other words you can drive to a VA or PA gun show and buy as many 30 rounders as you wish, legally. You just can't purchase or transfer these magazines within Maryland.
The biggest meaningful restriction we have on our rights is a lack of CCW. Making Maryland a shall issue state is something we have been fighting for. There was a bill in the state senate that would have done exactly this, but due to some shenanigans it wasn't allowed out of the drawer for a vote. We will keep up our efforts again next year.
Maryland isn't paradise for gun owners, but we are a far sight better off than some of the other places you mention, and don't belong in the same category as them. The reason Maryland hasn't gone the way of some of these other states is because we have been more effective in fighting for our rights here. Gun owners are more organized here than they were when I lived in California. Part of that likely has to do with Maryland being a smaller state. Anytime a gun grabbing scheme comes up we have 150 or more gun owners that take a day off of work, show up at the hearings in Annapolis and pack the place to standing room only. On the other side, the only people you see showing up are a couple paid lobbyists from Brady Inc. So yes, here in Maryland there is something we can do to change the situation.
Next year our biggest threat to our 2A rights here in Maryland will likely come from Washington D.C. instead of Annapolis.
Maryland may not be as bad as California, but if you compare it to Arizona... 
But anyway, if you are satisfied with things the way they are that's fine. To each his own.
You might find this thread to be of interest. It's partly the reason I put Maryland on my short list.
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=366999
But anyway, if you are satisfied with things the way they are that's fine. To each his own.
You might find this thread to be of interest. It's partly the reason I put Maryland on my short list.
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=366999
I wouldn't say I'm satisfied with the gun laws here, in fact as I said there are many things we are working on trying to improve.
Like most people, I'm not going to base my entire living situation on where the gun laws are friendliest. There are other factors that are equal to if not more important to my wife and I with regard to where we live, beyond finding a state with the absolute best gun laws. You still have to make a living, sometimes go where the job openings are within your company, and deal with other nuances of life above and beyond guns.
I'm glad for you all in Arizona that you have better laws than we do here. I hope you aren't getting too complacent though, because you folks are at ground zero with the illegal alien problem. As the infestation continues, look for more Democrats to get elected that promise free stuff. And we all know where most Democrats stand on guns. Just look at that state directly to your west if you want a glimpse of what your future could quickly become once the illegals and their offspring begin to gain political power through sheer numbers.
Like most people, I'm not going to base my entire living situation on where the gun laws are friendliest. There are other factors that are equal to if not more important to my wife and I with regard to where we live, beyond finding a state with the absolute best gun laws. You still have to make a living, sometimes go where the job openings are within your company, and deal with other nuances of life above and beyond guns.
I'm glad for you all in Arizona that you have better laws than we do here. I hope you aren't getting too complacent though, because you folks are at ground zero with the illegal alien problem. As the infestation continues, look for more Democrats to get elected that promise free stuff. And we all know where most Democrats stand on guns. Just look at that state directly to your west if you want a glimpse of what your future could quickly become once the illegals and their offspring begin to gain political power through sheer numbers.
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I sure wish we had Joe Arpaio here in southern N.M. My in-laws in CA, never visit them....
I guess if guns are all u care about . . .
Outside of gun-laws, name one thing that MI has going for it.
IMO: California > Michigan or Wisconsin
Life is a balance. Like I said, If all u care about is guns then you probably wouldn't want to live in Cali.
There are posters in this thread that have been around long enough to realize that whenever firearms rights in CA are discussed here on THR it invariably turns into:
--Kali-bashing ("Land of fruits & nuts")
--patronizing, condescending "I pity the poor little second-class 'citizens' in Kali" attitudes
--my state is better than your state because _________ pissing contests
You do see this trend, right? And what good does it do, other than render us a house divided? If I were an anti, I'd LOVE to see these kind of threads. I'd fuel the inane in-house bickering as much as I could. I'd love to see other gunnies collectively turn their backs on CA ("Leave 'em to their loonie liberals! Let 'em fall into the ocean!"). I'd sit there in wonder, baffled as to why gunnies can't see what they so obviously do: CA is a big friggin' domino.
Death by a thousand cuts. One right at a time, one state at a time. Those of you complaining about Californians "taking it" whenever our rights are compromised are hypocrites. Every time we lose our rights, WE lose our rights, get it? Forest for the trees, people.
"Oh, it's only a .50 cal. Who has a .50 cal, anyways?" = "Oh, it's only Kali. Let 'em rot."
"Well, I already have my hi-caps/EBR's, so the hi-cap/EBR ban won't affect me." = "Well, I live in AZ, so who cares?"
We gunowners in CA do what we can. Visit www.calguns.net to see what the front line looks like. The LAST thing we need is smart-ass self-defeating comments from our own sideline.
Apologies to the OP for the threadjack. Next time, don't put "California sucks" in your title, eh?
--Kali-bashing ("Land of fruits & nuts")
--patronizing, condescending "I pity the poor little second-class 'citizens' in Kali" attitudes
--my state is better than your state because _________ pissing contests
You do see this trend, right? And what good does it do, other than render us a house divided? If I were an anti, I'd LOVE to see these kind of threads. I'd fuel the inane in-house bickering as much as I could. I'd love to see other gunnies collectively turn their backs on CA ("Leave 'em to their loonie liberals! Let 'em fall into the ocean!"). I'd sit there in wonder, baffled as to why gunnies can't see what they so obviously do: CA is a big friggin' domino.
Death by a thousand cuts. One right at a time, one state at a time. Those of you complaining about Californians "taking it" whenever our rights are compromised are hypocrites. Every time we lose our rights, WE lose our rights, get it? Forest for the trees, people.
"Oh, it's only a .50 cal. Who has a .50 cal, anyways?" = "Oh, it's only Kali. Let 'em rot."
"Well, I already have my hi-caps/EBR's, so the hi-cap/EBR ban won't affect me." = "Well, I live in AZ, so who cares?"
We gunowners in CA do what we can. Visit www.calguns.net to see what the front line looks like. The LAST thing we need is smart-ass self-defeating comments from our own sideline.
Apologies to the OP for the threadjack. Next time, don't put "California sucks" in your title, eh?
Yup. The "nuances".
For some, like me, there's something about standing in the middle of the 100+ degree desert surrounded by nothing but wind and rattlesnakes that the gun on your hip just doesn't make up for.
Eventually EVERY society, leftist or not, will collapse in one way or another... including our own. While I certainly don't take that lightly, I'm not about to settle for unhappily living somewhere that I don't want to in order to arm myself in preparation for a potential shootout with threats undetermined. Nor am I going to retreat from the fight here in order to live under the illusion of safety elsewhere and smugly deride those who don't accompany me.
Now... seeing as it is lunchtime here on the West Coast, I am off to enjoy a nice glass of Cabernet and a plate of spaghetti all'aglio on the sidewalk. Maybe I'll stroll along the coast and watch the ships after that. It's a lovely 59 degrees outside.
I like it here.
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