AJChenMPH
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Why argue over Glock vs. Taurus? Do what I did: get one of each!
Well let me say this, they are in exactly the same league, big manufacturers use the exact same methods to make handguns..... (as a young man I spent 10 years of my life in the mechanical engineering field... I'm a journeyman machinist, from there I spent 2 years working in QC as a mechanical inspector and another 2 working in R&D, so I'm not dreaming..they use CNC machines to make all their guns, they use injection molds for their polymer frames.... they use similar materials, be it stainless, aluminum, or steel, they heat treat to the same standards, none of those mentioned companies use substandard materials, any claim that one is far better then the other is hocus pocus... Taurus, or Smith and Wesson or Berretta, etc...as a matter of fact Taurus bought their PT-92 tooling from Berretta and improved on it.. Taurus had some growing pains and most of the problems are from a few years back... Taurus has come of age, and yes they are everybit the gun that the other big boys are.... they are made overseas where labor is cheaper so you can save some money..... I could list the cheap guns that use substandard materials, cheap castings and such, but my conversation is about Taurus as it compares to other major brands.... I love my Berretta's, my Rugers, I liked the way my Glocks shot, but I wanted a safety, so I traded them. The only gun I found to have problems was my Walther PPK made my S&W.... I took it apart, deburred it and it's great now, but that gun should have never made it past QC......Jimpro,
For what it is worth, I have owned 5 Taurus guns through the years and 3 out of 5 had problems. My track record is much different than yours.
I do not necessarily like Glock and definitely not the XD as I like steel and wood but to even remotely think that Taurus is in the same world as Glock or SA or S&W is a pipe dream. Deep down you know it, I know it and most every knows it.
As far as R&D, this kind of R&D?
Yes, the first gen Sigmas had major problems, but have been corrected. We sell literally hundreds of Sigmas each year, and we've had one come back - a gun with a broken extractor after shooting a high round count of steel case Wolf ammo. It took the gunsmith less than five minutes to drop in a new extractor, and the gun was fixed. The Glock KBs have almost all been traced to use of reloaded .40 S&W ammo, or use of non-jacketed lead bullets; both of which are expressly forbidden in the Glock manual. In contrast, we're seeing 4 or 5 plastic frame Taurus pistols each year with frames or slides cracking on the first magazine, using newly manufactured ammo.So you mention 5 cracked out of how many? You didn’t list any of the other manufacturers problems, but they are there...
they go through the exact same thing....Are you aware of S&Ws sigma problems.... it hurt S&W but they had more history to keep their reputation in shape....When I was researching the problems I was having with my S&W PPK... the stories were widespread of problems... I've heard stories of Glocks cracked frames and blown up Glocks.
I'm well aware of the Bangor-Punta era at S&W. Yeah, the revolvers are almost identical except that no small parts interchange, the grips don't interchange, and Taurus medium & large frame revolvers use coil mainsprings while S&Ws use leaf mainsprings. Taurus revolvers are like reproduction Shelby Cobra chassis with fiberglass bodies, and Chevy 350 engines; they look the same on the outside, but they're completely different on the inside. Unlike their polymer frame pistols, Taurus revolvers do work well though.You may or may not know the same company use to own Smith & Wesson AND Taurus, ever wonder why the revolvers are so similar? They are almost identical...except for the price.... also recently Taurus is coming up with some great designs there too.... The Raging bull is a monster...
The old stories haven't turned me away - the two cracked frames I looked at with my own two eyes this summer did. Taurus' problems with their metal frame guns are over, but not with their polymer frame guns. Their lifetime warranty is useless to me while the gun is in Miami being fixed & I need it (I also won't buy a lock equipped S&W for the same reason). They also won't send parts to dealers & gunsmiths, so minor issues turn into trips to Miami. They literally wouldn't send my gunsmith a grip screw to replace one a customer had lost: the whole gun had to go to Miami over a friggin grip screw.But it's true, like I said, Taurus had some problems in the past, their bad luck is our good luck, why? Because that is in the past... that combined with cheaper labor, you can save money with a Taurus.. and I highly recommend them. My intention is to save people money, put out the rumor fire.... Why spend $550 when $350 gets you a great firearm? With a lifetime warrantee..... just don’t let old stories turn you away from Taurus today.....
OK..... now I'm being obsessive, but I'm stubborn and I still need facts, reasons and logic behind a conclusion. So based on everything you wrote, the difference comes down to the polymer, because you saw cracked Taurus frames. I did some injection molding research. Well the polymer that Glock uses cost about $3.50 a pound. How much does a frame weigh?The old stories haven't turned me away - the two cracked frames I looked at with my own two eyes this summer did. Taurus' problems with their metal frame guns are over, but not with their polymer frame guns. Their lifetime warranty is useless to me while the gun is in Miami being fixed & I need it (I also won't buy a lock equipped S&W for the same reason).
I understand your point but it's certainly not restricted to taurus brand guns having problems. A friend of mine paid 1400 for a SA TRP that couldn't get through a magazine without stovepipes or FTE's. He picked it up, took it to the range, and sent it back the next day. I know of several people that had to send SA's back from day one because of malfunctions. Kimbers are another 1k plus gun that you can find tons of info on forums about malfunctions. My colt 1911 is machined and assembled like a piece of cheap crap compared to the others but has never malfunctioned until I got it really dirty shooting reloads and was one hand limp wristing it to see if it would stall. It FTB'd but I tightened up my grip and it didn't do it again.Jim,
We can see you are a staunch advocate of Taurus firearms and that is your right and there is nothing wrong with it. Taurus makes an OK gun at an OK price. However, it seems to me like you have one eye open and the other one closed.
Just cruise through any firearm board and type in Taurus and problem or issue or whatever and do it with Glock, S&W, SA, etc... I know, I know. It is the same guy going to every forum on the net every couple weeks bashing Taurus. How could I be so naive?
I prefer to have better odds with a better firearm and not have to try out the "lifetime guarantee." It just might malfunction at the wrong time, though unlikely.
I bought a PT709 Slim locally for a really good price unfired...the damn thing shot and ran well. Until I bought a box of WWB... It had about a 50% FTE rate with these 115g 9mm rounds. After that I just couldn't feel comfortable with it as a CCW. So I sold it and bought a NIB Kahr CW9.
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Yep, I understand that.... I bought a car once and it ran out of gas..... sold that thing as soon as I could get more gas in it