I burst my buddy’s bubble today
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The single action trigger pull on the new Anacondas I've been able to try was much too stiff. I don't know if this is a quality control issue or the malevolent influence of the legal department.
I don't like paying $1500 for a revolver with a poor trigger. Seems people like the double action pull, but I've heard no comments about the single action pull.
I don't like paying $1500 for a revolver with a poor trigger. Seems people like the double action pull, but I've heard no comments about the single action pull.
entropy
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There might be a unicorn that lays golden eggs, too, but the probably of either is miniscule.
Well sure, the guns were not being made in Connecticut. I am unaware that corporations are limited to having facilities only in one state. Maybe you know something about Colt that I don't know.
You could call all of the GM plants in the USA, in all of the different states, such a shown on this webpage, https://www.gm.com/company/usa-operations
And you would still not know whom their subcontractors are. And yet everything "made" in these plants, is still GM.
And this is only the continental US General Motors plants. GM has more employees in China than in the US, and yet, everything made in those plants, is still GM.
This ought to be easy for you. Post the part breakdown list of an Anaconda. List by part, the suppliers are for the materials and if the part is subcontracted, who is the subcontractor. If the frame, cylinder, barrel, are completely fabricated in house from American steel by Colt New Haven, then it is a totally made Colt part. One hundred percent USA content. If however, Colt receives forgings from Korea, (such as the 1911 slide forgings that Remington Huntsville was using) than figure out the percentages that satisfy the content rules. And do that for all the parts. Then put the final number out for how the 55% content rule is satisfied.
If you don't know, than you don't know any more than I do. So is your conjecture better than mine?
Buzznrose
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I just bought a new Ruger GP100...it was blue
I'm not the one making the wild claims, You have no idea if any of what you are saying is true.
eddiememphis
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https://kogod.american.edu/autoindex/2021
According to American University, Tundra has 65% total domestic content. F-150 comes in at 55%.
There are very few products, especially ones with as many parts as an automobile, that are 100% American.
That is true, I have no idea as to the inner workings of Colt CZ. I am making guesses.
But then, what do you know about who did the redesign of the pistol, and what the supplier chain is? . Given that CZ is a Czechoslovakian engineering company based in Uherský Brod, Czech Republic, why would they hire some American to do the engineering work for which they already have people and capabilities for? Do you have some special insight into the Americans that Colt employed to do this?
And, give that they already have a world wide network of contacts, why would they not already use oversea vendors they are familiar with for manufacturing of components? You have not provided any special insight into the parts breakdown, therefore, you don't know who makes what either.
I do know, based on a web search, that Colt/CZ love that Corporate Welfare. Got to wonder what other sweet taxpayer deals are being given to CZ to keep Colt in Connecticut. Such as sales tax rebates, free energy and water, and no business taxes, like forever.
In New England’s ‘Gun Valley,’ Democratic politicians have a complex relationship with the firearms industry
https://www.ctinsider.com/shoreline/article/In-New-England-s-Gun-Valley-Democratic-16558082.php
Connecticut’s iconic gun maker Colt’s Manufacturing Co., was teetering after years of mounting debts, the loss of military contracts, and a recent bankruptcy filing when the company received a lifeline in 2017 from the Malloy administration. Colt had made noises about exiting West Hartford after Malloy’s strict gun-control law in 2013, and Malloy, for his part, had left Colt — and all other gunmakers — off a task force when he crafted the law.
Now, Colt was seeking millions in taxpayer dollars to stay.
The $10 million loan that Malloy’s Department of Economic Community Development floated to Colt — with the agreement that the gunmaker remain in the state for at least six years while employing hundreds of workers — is emblematic of the on-again-off-again relationship between Democrats in power and the industry.
In response to questions about the company’s current relationship with Connecticut leaders, a spokesperson for Colt’s new parent company, Czech gun-maker Česká zbrojovka Group, did not address gun control efforts by lawmakers and defended its acceptance of the DECD loan as a “business decision.”
Colt came out with the redesigned Cobra back in 2017. When first introduced, Colt stated that the new design was intended from the beginning to be easy to scale up in size. The Python and Anaconda are basically the same design only larger. CZ didn't acquire Colt until 2021. I'd be willing to bet CZ was not involved in any way with the redesign.
Sounds like something put out to make American's feel as if the new guns are just the same as the old, and filled with the romance of the plains, and spirit of the Cowboys.
Given the time frame, maybe Colt did all the preliminary work. However, if I were a CZ executive, I would do my due diligence and assume the Colt design staff were dummkopf's and have my guys CAD/CAM everything the Colt engineers worked on, and make sure the design, drawings, subcontract documentation, and production layouts were right, before I put anything into production.
Famous last words, "easy to scale up".
Boeing is always looking for new people to work on, and fly the next iteration of automated, kamikaze passenger aircraft. Scaling the 737 was supposed to be easy, and the FAA signed off on everything. And the killer robo truck industry is actively seeking passenger cars to crush.
doubleh
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According to my source which I have already forgotten the name of and am not doing a search for, it's 55%. I wouldn't touch a Ford if they had 100% American made parts. I gave then two chances and they blew it both times.
WilsonCQB1911
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I'm not saying that no one makes blued firearms anymore. I'm saying that with few exceptions nobody does the high polished blueing we used to see on the old pythons. Just being blued carbon steel isn't the same.
Colt CZ is a European holding company. Colt and CZ are both wholly owned subsidiaries of that company. At this time it appears that the holding company is working to deconflict the product lines so the two companies are not competing with each other, but there doesn't seem to be any move to get the companies involved with each other's design/production.
Claims that CZ is redesigning Colt's products or vice versa, or that production is being moved really should be substantiated with some kind evidence. Without evidence it amounts to speculation-guessing-spitballing--whatever. And as Hitchen's Razor states, that which is asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence.
CraigC
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I agree, because I don't think that's happening. The new Anaconda was released right after CZ bought Colt. So I would not assume that CZ had any input in the design process. I have not examined both guns but I would also assume that because the Anaconda did not use the Python lockwork, that very little updating was necessary in its design. The new Anaconda is on the short list but the old one is not destined for my paws unless I find one cheap. I just don't pay inflated collector prices for the prancing pony.
entropy
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It's not a new Colt revolver. All new Colt revolvers (so far) are stainless.
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And he will still have an American-made Colt revolver. The merger was a cash and joint stock deal.
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I think there’s room in the market for both Dan Wesson and Colt revolvers. They’re distinctly different.
I think killing DW has two causes: 1) No time to make revolvers when their 1911 type guns are flying off the shelves faster than they can make them. 2) Scarcity breeds desire. If they announce they’re gone, there will be a great assurance that they’ll sell like hotcakes when they return in a few years.
I think killing DW has two causes: 1) No time to make revolvers when their 1911 type guns are flying off the shelves faster than they can make them. 2) Scarcity breeds desire. If they announce they’re gone, there will be a great assurance that they’ll sell like hotcakes when they return in a few years.
The CZ / Dan Wesson 744 .44mag revolver I handled is every bit as nice as the Moson Massachusetts Dan Wesson 744 I own. I have 2 of the CZ / Dan Wesson 744 barrels that are superb in craftsmanship and quality.
I have never lusted after a Colt snake gun but if they are made by CZ my bets is they will be excellent. CZ knows how to make firearms.
I have never lusted after a Colt snake gun but if they are made by CZ my bets is they will be excellent. CZ knows how to make firearms.
Old Dog
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Again, the new Pythons are made by Colt Manufacturing in the USA. The holding company that owns CZ bought out the holding company that owned Colt. For all practical purposes, it's a merger.
According to the Colt guys at SHOT, the revolvers are all Colt and were all (re)designed in the U.S. Seems a number of revolver experts think the redesigned Pythons will be more durable that the original and won't suffer from some of the issues the old ones were known for. In any event, some of us think the new Pythons are worthy.
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This is so much fun.
I have been saying this for years, Harley Davidson guys are really fun to mess with.....the people that ride new HD are not the "image" most of us grew up with, they are more like Wild Hogs.
Having one that has had great fun trolling this topic over the past few decades I have looked at it pretty close.
Statements like you made really started to hit a more "common use" I guess I will say after Dodge/Chrysler was bought by Fiat.
MOPAR guys are more rabid over their products then gun guys, and there was a bit of worry in the car "area" just how the enthusiast would take that. Dodge guys are generally a flag waving star spangled oil in veins type feller. There was a great deal of worry around that. And a little less worry around the Jeep brand, hard to get more 'merican then Jeep.
It went over very well, I was really thinking it was going to go badly, and I was dead wrong, and glad I was.
I think this Colt/CZ thing is the same thing, there is a little worry, but then you see the track record of CZ and think....well the Czech's will likely make it better.
I would love to see CZ buy Winchester, can you imagine a gun branded Winchester with CZ quality, and capacity....I think if you they did that you would see henry shaking in their boots.
The comments on the Toyota, is that american or is that Japanese. Good argument and one that is really starting to fade away with time as even "hard core" american first kind of people are seeing that there is nothing made in one place anymore.
I drive a Honda Ridgeline, the honda pickup. It is made in alabama IIRC. So you get the is it american or not. Americans are building it here, toyota is giving jobs here to americans at all levels, what is bad there. Now long ago the argument came up with well the main company is in japan so that is a japanese truck. That argument died with the FCA deal. Your dodge is built here by americans but the company that owns it is Fiat in Italy, so your dodge is not american it is a fix it again tony. And that has fallen apart. Now it has turned into a union/non union thing. And even I will not troll that......very often
CraigC
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The only thing keeping them from making guns with the same high polish blued finish of days past is the customer's willingness to pay for it. Stainless is what most people want.
I'm sure we all wished that an American company like Ruger or S&W had bought Colt but honestly, I'd rather a CZ bought them than another domestic investor group that doesn't give a damn about firearms manufacture.
I'd love to know what improvements you think CZ could make to Winchester over Miroku?
The Colt/CZ relationship is more like the Dodge/FCA relationship. Toyota is completely different and the argument did not die with the FCA deal. They are simply making Toyota vehicles in the US, the same way Harley makes bikes in Brazil for the Brazilian market. It saves them money to do so.
Speedo66
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While the product is made here by American workers, and it's good to have the jobs, the bottom line is that the profits, and any benefits it might have to our economy, leave this country back to the foreign owners.
So it's not the same financially as American owned.
So it's not the same financially as American owned.
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Harley also makes them there for this market, but that is not really what we are after.
I see your point if an investor group bought colt I really think it would have gone the same way as Remington. A long slow painful death. Having a single company in that same business is nothing but a good thing. The factory needs to stay here, if that stays the case I am happy.
entropy
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Miroku doesn't make the SX line of shotguns. Those are what need the most improvement in the Winchester line.
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