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I Designed a Pistol

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by CmdrSlander, Apr 25, 2013.

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  1. CmdrSlander

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    I was bored last night and had been kicking around the idea of what I would want in an ideal handgun.

    Here's what I came up with:
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    -Polymer frame, with rubberized grips. The grips have relief channels that direct sweat and grease clear of the shooter's hand.
    -CZ-75 clone overall internal mechanism and design, with very low bore high axis and high grip, substantially reducing recoil. The slide rides inside the frame, as in the CZ. This improves accuracy.
    -Single action only, with short, straight trigger. Designed to be carried cocked and locked.
    -1911 style grip angle and modern 1911 style beavertail.
    -9x19mm caliber, suitable for +P+ use.
    -Match grade, bushingless bull barrel.
    -External, bar stock claw extractor.
    -Dual nested, captive recoil springs.
    -Tritium illuminated Heinie style front and rear sights.
    -NATO railed dustcover.
    -Slide machined for slide-riding mini red dot. The slide also has forward relief cuts to make up for the added weight of an RDS and ensure reliable cycling without any changes in recoil spring, etc. If no RDS is installed, a small, flush fitting weight block (pictured) is installed in its mount so that the pistol does not know the difference if/when one is installed.

    Tell me what you think.
     
  2. M-Cameron

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    Something about mounting a Red dot on I a reciprocating slide seems like an awfully bad idea....
     
  3. CmdrSlander

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    It is done frequently and done well:
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    Commander,
    tell me about those red dot thingys..how do you adjust the dot to match your point of impact? do you like them better than just regular old sights? why?
     
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    The dot is adjusted just like a scope. Dials for windage and elevation (though they are flush fitted and operated with a coin or screwdriver). To adjust it accurately one would fire from a supported position or, better yet, a machine rest.

    I like them better than regular old sights because of the flexibility, though I currently cannot afford one. I would include mounts for them on any new production pistol were I a real gun designer, as they are the way of the future.
     
  6. Inebriated

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    I like the concept.

    Make it.
     
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    thx commander. how much is a decent one and if i was looking for one, i call it a "red dot sight" right? do you specify pistol or rifle or are they interchangeable? can you mount one on any regular size pistol?
     
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    A quality micro dot like a Trijicon RMR will run you about $450, but you need your slide milled out to accept a base, or you can get a base that uses your rear sight dovetail. At least for Glocks, you can. Not sure about other guns. I'd want to keep my iron sights as back-up, though.
     
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    I suspect these red dot sights are the wave of the future. Smith and Wesson recently came out with a M&P model (M&P CORE...Competition Optic Ready ?????) with the slide milled from the factor to accept these red dot sights. It still has iron sights as well. I know FN also has a factory model also with the slide milled for a red dot. Both the FN and S&W M&P have a filler plate if one chooses not to install a red dot. Pretty nice...I'd like to have one myself.
     
  10. btg3

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    Correct. The OP has rendered a concept.
    The design is yet to be realized.
     
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    I'll will grant you that semantic point. However, given that the design is essentially a single action CZ75 in different shell, one could say it has been realized.
     
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    After putting one on my Buckmark, I'm not anxious to outfit my M&Ps. But I'm still on the learning curve with focusing on the target and bringing the dot to that target. The habit of focusing on the front sight is hard to break and I fall into focusing on the dot. Also, I'm concerned about whether the new technique will detract from using iron sights. Will I learn to use both, or should I stick with one?
     
  13. btg3

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    Tell it to the poor guy that's told to go make it. :rolleyes:
     
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    People have been cloning and modding the CZ design for a long time. I'll grant you substantial time and money would be required to tool up for this, but this is all in fun.
     
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    Interesting concept gun.
    As far as the red dots go, I've been running a Trijicon RMR02 on my duty gun (FNP45 Tactical) for about a year now. I also have a modified FNS9 with the same sight. There is a learning curve but once you get the hang of it, it's just like using a red dot on a long gun - focus on the target, superimpose the dot on it, squeeze the trigger. I had qual's yesterday and today, shot the FNP45T and patrol rifle yesterday, Colt Commander with iron sights today, no issues transitioning from one to the other. It'll take a while to catch one but eventually they'll be as accepted as red dots on long guns.

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    CZ P-07 Duty is actually pretty close.
     
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    That is not a full sized gun, IIRC. Nor does it have many of the features I listed.

    I'm not knocking it. And I do like it for the fact that it proves the CZ design plays well with polymer.
     
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    Just saying sandwiching it between a Glock and a 1911 would be a better comparison.

    Carry on.;)
     
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    I know, I'm mocking them, not you.
     
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    I'm sure with the "tactical" crowd..

    The people actually running their guns (competition) use a frame mount as 1000's of a second count..
     
  23. btg3

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    Do we have a legal resource that might check on patent infringement? :cool:
     
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    That's the ugliest Hi-Power I ever did see.
     
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    Competition innovation trickles down to the tactical crowd. Look at all the stuff that started a competition mod for guns like the 1911 that is considered a must have now.

    That being said, slide ride is the way to go for tactical pistols, where 10000ths of a second don't matter and size and weight constraints do.
     
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