I Find This Reprehensible

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The uninformed buyer is much like the uninformed voter... easily lead astray.



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Supply and demand.

You are going to pay a premium price if you want PMAGs right now.
 
Misrepresentation of what?

CTD clearly says 'list price'.

Nowhere do they ever say that 'list price' is defined by the actual Manufacturer's Suggested Retail Price.

In fact, 'list price' isn't defined at all, so they have every right to set that number however high they want it. Unless they say 'Magpul suggests selling them at $60', they are not misrepresenting.
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Sure they are. 'List price' is a commonly accepted term for MSRP. CTD is taking advantage of sloppy language that does not have a legal definition. Is it illegal? No. Is it still deceptive? Absolutely.
We know that the price is exorbitant for the actual value of the product. We can choose to pay it, or we can choose to shop elsewhere. That's all there is to it.
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And I agree. I don't object, at all, to CTD charging that much for a pmag. Heck, if I was independently wealthy and wanted one, I might well buy one. I'm not, so I won't.

My only objection in this is CTD saying the 'list price' is something, when it is quite clear that the only list on which they found that price was of their own making.

Mike
 
'List price' is a commonly accepted term for MSRP.
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That would be a mistake made by an uninformed buyer.

"List price" and "MSRP" are very, very different.
 
Right. List Price is simply the price at which a product is listed. The list price may be created at the manufacturer, wholesale, and retail levels and a given item may have several list prices...depending on what list is being considered.

Since CTD did not refer to the price as MSRP, then this association with it as MRSP is pretty silly.
 
OK, then what 'list' is it referring to? It's not manufacturer, it's not wholesale, it's not manufacturer suggested retail. heck, it's not even the going rate under the current panic buying market.

So, what is it?

It's an internal list that they made up, in order to mark it down from that to look like the uninformed buyer is getting a deal. That's flat-out deception.

However, it's not illegal, and I'm not suggesting that it is. Nor is marking the magazines up in the current market. It would be fine if they had said, "hey, in the current market we're going to try to keep some supply on hand, and the only way to do that is to increase price. So, in order to counter demand, we're raising price, but we actually have product to sell. here's the price, take it or leave it." Heck, if they had just said "price: $39.97" I would applaud their use of the free market. But, marking something up to then call that "list price", in order to then mark it down is deception.

Mike
 
Yes PMags are the cream of the crop AR magazine wise, I only own one, the other 30 of my mags are GI grey ones with magpul followers. They work just as well and are alot easier to find, price is still the same too.
 
Why do I feel like I have 2 squabbling kids here?:banghead:

Cheaper Than Dirt...not-so-much, you can charge what you want to for the products you sell but don't try to imply that you are doing anybody any favors but jacking up the prices then offering a discount. This makes you look like a price gouging moron! Yes, you may be the ones with the magazines in stock rather than on back order but at those prices, you are going to sit on them for quite a while as far as I'm concerned.

Buyers and bitchers, it's a free market and they can set the price at what they want. No you don't have to buy from them and if it were me I wouldn't either. However, freakin' Stevie Wonder could see how this election was going to go and if you didn't bother to plan ahead before the elections, either suck it up and pay the prices the seller asks, buy something else from somebody else or do without but quit your crying about it.
 
and notice that Midway is NOT gouging like the others.

I'm frequently amazed at how much bad mouthing Midway gets.

O.K., so there shipping is higher than most, but for cryin' out loud, Larry Potterfield's as true blue a RKBA friend as you'll ever have...

so look what's on sale this month....

20 and 30 round AR-Stoner mags with the no tilt follower and silicon springs for $9/ea.

and this while other stores with lower prices (and far less inventory overhead) and cheaper shipping (and longer order processing times) our gouging the firearms community in a vulnerable panic time.

+1 for Midway
 
If you didn't see this situation coming at least 3 years ago you are either
brand new to military style firearms or you missed the writing on the wall.
 
So, don't buy it.

Anyone who waited until 11/5 to start thinking about buying magazines deserves to pay 3x as much.
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I finished my panic buying a few weeks ago.


I started in August. :evil:
 
I started panic buying in april and finished a month ago. If you didnt see this coming you DO deserve to pay 3 1/2 times as much
 
You are going to pay a premium price if you want PMAGs right now.
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Wrong. I just got 10 in the mail yesterday. $12.97 each plus shipping.

I have 15 more that are about to be processed from another vendor. (The mags are in and are being held for me, but the vendor is still shipping orders from two weeks ago.) $14.20 each on those. No shipping charge, so the price is on a par with the other order.

I got on both backorder lists last week after buying my first AR. Unlike some, I didn't panic and buy $40 mags from Gunbroker or CTD. I just got on a list (well, two actually) like everyone was recommending, and I got good prices on the mags.

I also didn't pay an arm and a leg for the AR. I chose a local sporting goods store (Academy) that didn't jack prices up after the election.
 
So let me get this straight. CTD "tripled" the price on an item, then put that item "on sale" at twice what it sold for before?

Sounds like they took a lesson from a furniture store to me. :D
 
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You are going to pay a premium price if you want PMAGs right now.


Guyon
Wrong. I just got 10 in the mail yesterday. $12.97 each plus shipping.
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Right, and how many of those would you sell @ $12.97 plus shipping?
 
Caveat Emptor (Let the buyer beware) This was good advise 2 thousand years ago and it still applies today.
 
thats messed up!
but Im gonna laugh at everybody who went out and bought all kindsa stuff, when obama dosent even push for a weapon ban..lol

I went and got an AR, but it was months prior to the election, and I got a real nice deal. so 2 SKS's, an AR is all I need for "evil" rifles.. suppose now would be a good time to get a shotgun eh?!
 
Right, and how many of those would you sell @ $12.97 plus shipping?
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H20 MAN, none since I bought them to keep.

But what I wanted to convey is that folks really can get PMAGs "right now" if their definition of "right now" doesn't mean "this very instant." If it means "right now" in this climate, then they can get them.

I think that orders placed today will easily fill before mid-January if you choose a reputable dealer who typically moves a fair amount of inventory. For people who are looking, my advice is to backorder the mags and just stop freaking out. Panicking and paying $40 per mag is just allowing an unscrupulous dealer to take advantage of your emotions.
 
And we should all laugh at those who didn't buy anything and they suddenly find themselves with weapons that you can't buy ammo for unless you want to mortgage your house and since the banking industry has collapsed you won't be able to do that either. If Russian ammo gets banned those SKS's you own may become fence posts or something before long.

If I bought stuff in anticipation of POSSIBLE problems it isn't like I can't sell it later on for what I paid for it. Those who buy when the price is high might find it harder to recoup their cash but I don't see it as funny that they're worried about what Obama might do because it is certainly a possibility.

Sure buying guns even before the panic was a hunch bet but it's a hunch bet based on past experiences. We suffered through one AWB. It may be much worse the next time around. We could end up like Australia where all semi-autos are banned and even repeaters are banned in many cases. Or we could end up like Britain where you can't buy anything and you are forced to turn in every gun you own no matter how valuable it is.

I don't intend to get caught with my pants down when the attempt is made to take away our guns. And it is certainly within the realm of possibility that this might happen. It's well known that many lib groups want exacty that and when you owe your election to the presidency to groups like that then you tend to go along with what they want pretty often. Not always but often. The thing is that they might have a fillibuster proof congress to work with and they might get everything they want. Sure the Supreme Court might eventually overthrow their laws but in the mean time we could lose everything because maybe the judges don't act quick enough or maybe they secretly want the same things.

IMO we just can't take the chance that nothing will happen. I think a lot of people share that view. "Cold dead fingers" is more than a slogan to a lot of people. I think freedom demands it of us. If we expect to remain free and have our children be free then sometimes you have to take a stand. I seriously doubt it will get that far just because so many do have weapons in this country. Taking them all away would be a monumental task and I don't believe it will happen because the potential blowback is huge. So more power to all those who make the potential blowback even bigger. I'm not going to laugh at them if they prevent problems from happening by their sheer numbers. I'm going to applaud them if they win by a mere show of force and that's what I expect.
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i have a feeling when you were in high school you were the kid that yelled "FIGHT!" when two kids were arguing in an attempt to start a fist fight. next time i have a bonfire i know who i can count on to bring the kerosene. lol
 
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