I got "interviewed" this evening.

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Congrats on not passing the interview!

I had an incident many years back in the parking lot of a KFC where I was waiting for my order. A suspicious youth with pulled-up hoodie kept walking around the parking lot (what a way to not look suspicious) before finally walking towards me as casually as a kid walking up to someone in an empty parking lot at night could look. I "casually" walked over to my passenger door and opened it to reveal my border collie sitting there, she immediately fixed her eyes on him and gave him the stare. The kid immediately about-faced and walked away faster than he came. Better to not have a confrontation than to deal with any aftermath.
 
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I'm glad you did the right thing.

My wife got interviewed back when we lived near Chicago. Fortunately they did not block off her exit route and she got out of there ok as well. She blew every stop sign until she knew she was safe; she figured that if there were any cops in that area the Young Tough would not have brandished his handgun.

I'm sure these were Good Boys too, kissing their momma and going to church every sunday. :banghead:
 
Thanks for sharing that with us. I'm going to start telling people about how to avoid being targeted and I shall practice that in my daily life. That's what I love about THR: you learn something new, interesting, and useful every day.

@ Bmont2409: I had a similar experience with an English immigrant. I pointed out that if the police just hadn't happened upon him, then he'd probably have ended up in the ER or in a casket.
 
I reload .357 mag at around $0.20 a round. I'd be willing to hand over $1.20 or so
I was talking about lawyers and missed work.

Congrats on not passing the interview!
No, he passed the interview because they initially thought he was a victim and tried to "do" him. When you fail the interview, they just go away and find someone else.

OK, now imagine you had a 1911 carried openly on your belt. Do you think they would have even approached you? From experience, I would say no.
Now that statement is just a whole new can of beans, and not to hijack the thread but I respectfully disagree. If you would like to make an argument of it (which we have had dozens of them in the past) open a thread and I"ll add my half penny to the argument.
 
How many people here comprehend the meaning of the subject line?
I did not until the link was provided.

Situational awareness always concerns me. I try to pay attention but never know how I’m doing. I always feel like I’m thinking about work or whatever and not focused in the now.

Now, I haven’t been mugged in 20 years but I suspect that’s more luck and avoidance of places/situations where the odds go up than anything else.
 
Good thread and very informative link. I'm a decent sized guy (6-1, down to 280 and still losing), and when I used to work late in south Memphis I kept my head on a swivel. I tried to make eye contact with everyone I saw on the streets to let them know that I knew they were there and I wasn't about to become a victim. A couple of the guys I worked with got held up and had their shoes, wallets, and phones taken from them and at the time I chalked my luck up to being "big-boned". When I took second shift job where I often left work alone around midnight I kept a knife in one hand and my keys in another. Despite being in a reasonable safe part of town, it was still adjacent to a college campus and there are plenty of perpetrators hanging around those parts around here. I think this kind of topic should be taught to high school and college age kids. It might help keep some of them out of real trouble.
 
^ Unfortunately, millertyme, the stuff they teach us about safety is really naive stuff like what your mommy would tell you. "Don't hang out with bad people." "Don't be alone." "Don't go out after dark." "Call the police if you feel unsafe." "Don't trust strangers." There's not a word of how to protect yourself should things go bad. There's the school issued "rape whistle" for the girls, but not a word of how to really protect ourselves is given to guys. And all the college self defense courses are stupid jokes aimed at weak women. The stuff they tell you to do if you are victimized is even dumber. "Passive resistance is best." That's the stuff that gets a 25% injury rate. You are told "Do whatever the perpetrator tells you to." I swear, it's like creating a multitude of victims, especially among the upper and middle classes who go off to college in cities and don't know how to keep safe.

On a very cynical note, I can see why colleges have such high crime victimization rates. A culture of victims who are told not to fight back or protect each other and a phobia to strong definitive action.
 
There are areas in Kansas City (like my old neighborhood) I wouldn't venture into at night no matter what I was carrying. I wouldn't be afraid to go for a walk at 3am where I live now. Even unarmed. Which I never am anyway.
 
Kansas City is the new Chicago. I'm not much of a fan of St. Louis either.
 
I read the 5 stages but in the interview section the point was that the perp wanted to see how you would react or behave. It did not however tell how one should react in order to not be targeted or in other words fail the interview. Being alert and mindful of your surroundings is obviously needed and this in many cases should cause you to leave the area if you see danger.

But if this isn't quite the case and you are surprised, how should one react upon realizing what is happening?
 
Guys, it may be a free country, and it may be right to be able to go where one pleases, but car washes, after dark, are a VERY dangerous place to be. Carjackers love car washes, and at least around here, seem especially trigger-happy at car washes. A prominent local entrepreneur died at a car wash, during a robbery, but less famous folks, too, have died or been injured.

Unlocked cars + keys readily available + task-fixated victims make for easy pickings. Kinda hard to do a good job of detailing a car while remaining well-aware of the surroundings. As a family, we usually go to the local car wash with safety in numbers, and choose the one within sight of a police substation.

I may not fear the Valley of the Shadow of Death, but I try not to casually go there more than necessary.
 
car washes, after dark, are a VERY dangerous place to be
+1. I like to use the vacuum at the car wash but maintaining situational awareness is pretty much impossible while washing or vacuuming a car.
 
Yes , car washes are very dangerous places, but what is one to do? Good idea to stay alert. When I took my CCW training, that was one of the things they stressed. Being armed does not make you invulnerable, If the bad guy(s) get close, you may not have a chance to draw your weapon. Good bit on leaving the scene, you may or may not have a duty to retreat, but discretion is the better part of valor, why seek trouble if you can avoid it. Since getting a CCW, I have been much more aware of my surroundings, makes me wonder sometimes how I got along before.
Good post! Makes us all more aware of what can happen and how to avoid it.
 
How many people here comprehend the meaning of the subject line?
I understood the concept, but admit that I had never read the "Five Stages" and did not know about the subject's context within the Five Stages article. Thanks for making me look further :)
 
Good on you for keeping your eyes and ears open and using your head.

You made it out of the situation without being hurt or hurting anyone else.

Happy endings all around.

Be safe,
Doc
 
^ Unfortunately, millertyme, the stuff they teach us about safety is really naive stuff like what your mommy would tell you. "Don't hang out with bad people." "Don't be alone." "Don't go out after dark." "Call the police if you feel unsafe." "Don't trust strangers." There's not a word of how to protect yourself should things go bad.

There's another old saying - "An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure." The thinking summarized neatly in trainer John Farnam's "three stupids" lecture (see http://www.defense-training.com/quips/2003/19Mar03.html for the whole discussion) is a big chunk of the kind prevention that actually does work to preclude many problems on the street from ever arising.

Not necessarily ALL problems however...

But if this isn't quite the case and you are surprised, how should one react upon realizing what is happening?

As the trainer known as Southnarc puts it, "Sometimes your awareness fails." Face it, we are all human, none of us is 100% at the top of our game 100% of the time. Sometimes there are distractions, and sometimes situations evolve that give a would-be predator or predators the sense that you are a good risk for victimization.

So how should you react if attacked unexpectedly? Best answer I can offer is, you react as the circumstances dictate. Is there a verbal pre-attack interview taking place? Might be a good time to have studied a little verbal judo, adopt an interview stance and do a few other things that might help convince your assailant or assailants that they have made a serious miscalculation in the victim-selection process. Is the first awareness you have that an attack is taking place the explosive concussive effect of a blow to the head and the stars and tweety birds suddenly dancing in front of your half-stunned eyes? If that's the case you have a a LOT of catching up to do, and some kind of training that included frequent loud exhortations from your trainer to "GET BACK IN THE FIGHT" might possibly be of some help- IF you had been willing to find such training in advance of need and take advantage of it, that is. But it is entirely possible that you can't catch up, if the attack was sudden and brutal enough, and it's possible you're had no matter what else you might ordinarily have been able to do. Face it, sometimes the good guys loose.

In short there is no single answer to all the multitude of situations that might evolve out there on the street. We could "what-if" the subject to death and still not cover all the possibilities. Anyone who really does want to be able to answer this kind of question that might arise in the course of their own lives is going to seek the tools that are widely available to help define some of the possible answers to those questions in advance of need. Those tools are primarily TRAINING, PRACTICE and STUDY.

IF it happens to you, what you know already might be enough to see you through. Or it might not be. What you do about that is your call.

fwiw,

lpl
 
The OP is lucky the interviewers didn't completely block his escape. I wonder if they'll switch to cars on their next attempt on another person.
 
You done good. Awareness and action, not mindless compliance. The best shot is the one you didn't fire.
 
Watching the evening news, it seems like we have a shooting at a carwash every week. The combination of summer heat & light clothing means that the keys & cash are usually in the unlocked car, and that we are too distracted with washing to pay good attention. All adds up to a high-return, low risk target for BG's.
 
Over the years I've been "scouted", "interviewed", etc. - on more than one occasion down here in paradise. I'm also very likely to be at one public boat ramp or other at any time of day or night (hauling out at 3Am isn't uncommon for me). In that time I've seen many a "fine young man" make the decision that I wasn't worth the trouble, along with one or two that needed to get fairly close before they saw they'd made a mistake and back away...

On the street you're down to very basic stuff. It's mostly about fear and dominance. If they think they can win you've got a problem. The trick from my point of view is to get them to believe that you're not "easy" and that they face a serious risk if they try. Unless the guy you're facing is stoned out of his mind (or just plain crazy) he's not likely to start something that he might lose. That's one of the reasons why many street toughs work in groups - it helps boost their minimal courage... Groups of young men are another matter - with them you may have a problem no matter what you do, but that's another story.... I'm currently in very good health, though a bit out of shape. In years to come as I get a bit older (early sixties now) I may have to add a sidearm but so far... it hasn't been necessary.

The first step in my world is to look a possible problem right in the eye - no challenge at all just a dead expressionless stare that lets your possible opponent know they've been spotted and they don't have the ability to take you unawares. That will put most of them on their guard and have them starting to wonder. The next step, if they begin to approach, is to turn and face them - then easily move into a defensive stance, turning your weak side toward them while you move your strong hand where it can't be seen. At this point most will assume that you're armed, changing the situation entirely....

As a retired cop, I was given a CCW permit as part of my retirement package (all those years ago). I haven't carried a sidearm once in all those years (even with the above circumstances). I do keep one nearby but have never needed it. I may be making a mistake but it was my choice and I haven't regretted it in almost sixteen years now. Lots more about this sort of stuff but not on a public forum....

One last thought... if an area is so dangerous that you need to be armed to go there -why go at all unless you have some over-riding need to be there....
 
Nice situation awareness and reaction. You did the right thing and got out of there. Do you CCW or can you have a gun in your car where you live? I missed the part where you had your hand on your gun.
 
One last thought... if an area is so dangerous that you need to be armed to go there -why go at all unless you have some over-riding need to be there....
A think that a very good first rule to follow is that if there is an area to which one would not want to go unless one is armed, one should not go there at all unless it is unavoidable.

I would add, however, that because miscreants are mobile and because they will not prosper unless they go where the money is, there is no place that is really safe.

And be careful about statistics. Thanks to Tom Givens of Rangemaster for the following. It is said that the majority of incidents involving the justifiable use of deadly force in self defense occur in the home. Do not conclude from that that the home is less safe than the street. Think about it: while many people have firearms in the home, far fewer may lawfully carry, and still fewer actually do.

When I got my CCW Endorsement three years ago, I carried very rarely--at first. I had the foolish idea that I would carry a firearm only when I thought I might need it. I then realized two very obvious things:

  1. I have absputely no way of predicting when I will encounter one or more violent criminal actors intent on doing me harm; and
  2. if I do need a firearm, a decsion to have left it at home will prove to have been a very bad one in retrospect.

See this and order the DVD, and think about this.

Do not let my advice to be prepared dilute in any way the advice in previous posts to learn how to avoid the use of deadly force.
 
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