I guess I messed up my first car jacking

[Psssniper]

POlice take your means of self defense?
A great reason to have a couple back up guns at home eh?
Glad your alright

 

[Valkman]

As per job description, Popo filled out report, asked why I had a gun, and other remarks and happenings that I don’t care to share

I'd like to hear the whole story - did something happen in these "other remarks and happenings" to make them want to give you a hard time?
I don't understand why you'd get such a grilling and get your gun taken away when you didn't fire a shot.

 

[Reno]

Sorry, but that's wrong. The right thing to do is always the right thing to do. It's not always the easy thing to do, but it's still the right thing to do.

How is calling a bunch of crime janitors who do nothing but give him the 9th degree for defending himself, and who wish to disarm him "the right thing?"

All the police did here is make the streets safer for the only people they're obligated to protect, criminals.

 

[Plinkerton]

That's not cool at all. I think N.W.A. had it right when they said, "Fu*k the Police"

 

[Zundfolge]

How is calling a bunch of crime janitors who do nothing but give him the 9th degree for defending himself, and who wish to disarm him "the right thing?"

Its the "right thing" for 2 reasons.

1) Because its the law, and we are the law abiding ones (even if the cops aren't).

2) Because if YOU don't get to the cops first you run the risk of THEM going to the cops with a "Me and my cousin Bobby was headed to choir practice when we cut across the mall parking lot and this crazy man jumped out of his car and waved a pistol in the air saying he was going to kill us and rape Bobby (made poor little Bobby wet himself and cry) then he jumped in his car and sped away, almost running us down ... and here's the bad man's license plate number!" story.

Then you get met at home by more of these badged schmucks who aren't in the mood to hear your BS "self defense" story.

 

[cracked butt]

Me wonders how you will now defend yourself if the attackers find out where you live and decide to pay you a visit. I would ask this question to the police right now.

 

[dleong]

It has been said before but is probably worth repeating: the police are not your friend.

However, I will concur that not reporting the attempted carjacking would have gotten you into hotter soup if those douchebags had spoken to the police about the confrontation.

Such is the sad state of law enforecement in this country today.

DL

 

[hammer4nc]

duckfoot, I hope you can post a followup. I thought you handled the situation in a measured and restrained way. The lesson I take from this is...after filing the police report, when it looked like an interrogation was imminent...."shutup and call a lawyer". In this case, I'd have offered to set up an appointment at my lawyers office when its mutually convenient. You'd have gotten home sooner.

...crime janitors(lol), I'll have to remember that one.

 

[The Real Hawkeye]

Were you "under arrest" when you were being questioned? How did they justify taking your means of protection from you?

 

[SC_shooter]

They were at the front of your car? That's little too close for me. I have to agree with Rabbit9.

The Durham/Chapel Hill area is Berkeley East. So it doesn't surprise me that they kept your gun.

 

[Kharn]

I'm a little confused with the paper, was it sticking to your window when you returned to your car, or did it appear on the window between when you got into the vehicle and when you looked back?

It sounds like you definitely did the right things in what could have escalated into a shoot/no-shoot situation.

Kharn

 

[hillbilly]

After you made your report and they wanted to grill you, you should have asked the following:

"Sir, am I under arrest?


If they say yes, say you want your lawyer and shut up.

If they say no, the politely inform them that since you are not under arrest that you are leaving the police station and quit answering their damn questions.

So much of what the police do depends on the fact that you, the citizen, feel intimidated by them.

That's why so many folks consent to roadside warrantless searches.

They don't have to ask nicely. They can just say, "I'm gonna hafta look in your car."

But they can't without probable cause unless you say, "Uh, okay officer, sure."

Be polite, but show them no mercy. Know your rights. If you aren't under arrest, there is nothing they can do to keep you at the police station.

They are COUNTING on you being shook up and intimidated.

hillbilly

 

[GSB]

I'm a little surprised at people suggesting that the cops should not have been called. I can't speak for other states, but where I am, if you are a CCW holder and you clear leather, you have to call the cops. Given the likelihood of witnesses in this case, not calling the cops in my state would at the very least probably resulted in a loss of permit.

 

[The Real Hawkeye]

I'm a little surprised at people suggesting that the cops should not have been called. I can't speak for other states, but where I am, if you are a CCW holder and you clear leather, you have to call the cops. Given the likelihood of witnesses in this case, not calling the cops in my state would at the very least probably resulted in a loss of permit.

You can alway deny that you cleared leather. You could say, if caught later, that you merely gripped the handle, and they ran away, so you saw no legal reason to report it. You are not required to report attempted crimes, or even actual crimes.

 

[45 Carry]

At work we got an email of a car jack scheme in Kansas City about paper on a car's back windo as in the original post. We were told to be aware. A week later another email claiming the warning was about an urban legend. Do these types of car jacks really occur?

 

[ny32182]

Wow... glad it turned out "alright". I'd also be interested to know if they took your gun because of a lack of a CCW or something like that. Remind me to always carry in Durham.

 

[ctdonath]

You can alway deny that you cleared leather.

NEVER LIE TO POLICE OR JUDGES.
They deal with liars all the time, and will know when you are one.
Lie, and you will get hugely screwed over. You get promptly jailed for perjury, and your attacker suddenly & officially becomes the victim, whereby you serve serious time for assault etc.

You have the right to present evidence in your defense, and you have the right to shut up. Use those rights.

 

[Master Blaster]

Here in Delaware we actually have the paper on the back window carjack scheme posted on the bulletin board in the lunch room.

I havent heard of a case where that actually happened until reading it here.

As far as the car jackers calling the police on you: there is no hysterical laughing face here, but NFW that would happen.

Zippy the pin head with a arrest record as long as my leg, who has carjacked several others or plans to, is going to CALL the POLICE and defacto turn himself IN.

HARDY HAR HAR.

 

[ScottS]

Its the "right thing" for 2 reasons.

1) Because its the law, and we are the law abiding ones (even if the cops aren't).

Hmm...What law would that be?

2) Because if YOU don't get to the cops first you run the risk of THEM going to the cops with a "Me and my cousin Bobby was headed to choir practice when we cut across the mall parking lot and this crazy man jumped out of his car and waved a pistol in the air saying he was going to kill us and rape Bobby (made poor little Bobby wet himself and cry) then he jumped in his car and sped away, almost running us down ... and here's the bad man's license plate number!" story.

Does that happen a lot? Do bad guys/gang-bangers, who have no idea if you did or didn't report the intended crime, show up at the police station to place themselves at the scene of the attempted crime?

"Why, thanks, Julio. We had no idea where to look for the two skels who tried to carjack this guy. Thanks for coming in. Now, about those other carjackings...."

Somehow, I don't see this as a common occurance, unless it really was "Me and my cousin Bobby...headed to choir practice."

Scott

 

[The Real Hawkeye]

Somehow, I don't see this as a common occurance, unless it really was "Me and my cousin Bobby...headed to choir practice."

Your reasoning is good, and is in fact what occurred to me also when I read that line about the bad guy actually calling the police. These guys generally have long rap sheets, and don't want to bring themselves to the attention of the authorities. The only time not reporting an incident would be a real mistake would be in the case of road rage of another driver forced you to pull the gun to warn him and his crow bar off. In that case, the guy is much less likely to have a criminal record, and you really need to be the first to report to the police. Hardened street thugs don't generally call the police, because they assume correctly that the polce will not likely believe their story, and secondly because they are usually wanted for other crimes.

 

[armoredman]

Nope - that DOES happen - two otherwise honest citizens did 2-3 for ag assault in AZ for NOT reporting, and the BG did. One was on a freeway, where a moron played bumper tag for a few hours, front and back, screaming threats and invectiem until GG displayed, (in a vertical manner) his sidearm. BG pulled off, and called DPS. GG did NOT call, so the Bgs version put him inside.
Another in the mall - two homeless beggars advance on a man and wife, demanding money they refuse, and one procliams he has a butcher knife in his belt and he's going to cut up his wife in the parking lot while he watches. GG sweeps coat, grips pistol, and BGs scurry away. GG does NOT report, BG does, GG gets ag assault. Yes, Virginia, putting hand on pistol is ag assault.
You did the right thing, sir, but I would makie as big a stink as possible about being disarmed for no reason! go to the papers, TV, radio, Rush Limbaugh, anyone who will help broadcast the local PD wants disarmed servants.

 

[GSB]

You can alway deny that you cleared leather.

And then when the police come around and interview the nosy biddy who lives across the street, who you didn't know saw the whole thing, you have now officially lied to the police during a police investigation. That's not going to look really good if someone in a bad mood wants to push a legal or civil case against you.

 

[J Miller]

Hmmmm, lets see. You pulled your gun to defend yourself against two thieves who would have taken your car, wallet, gun, and quite possibly split your scull and killed you.

You called the cops, they detained you, intimedated you, insinuated you are the criminal, stole your gun, and then turned you out in the cold.

Now lets review. You defended yourself against two armed thugs, then were victimized by the armed thugs you called to report the incident too.

Seems to me all you did was change the venue of the assult and robery from the parking lot to the police station.

You will have your lawyer all over this today.............right?


Joe

 

[DigMe]

duckfoot,

Snopes lists this as undetermined on whether it's true or not:

http://www.snopes.com/crime/warnings/carjack.asp

so if you can provide them with some evidence you might want to email them with it for the sake of other people who might dismiss the method as urban legend after reading Snopes' comments on it.

brad cook

 

[Stebalo]

How big is this piece of paper? Is it so big that it will obstruct your view backing out or driving? Is that why people feel compelled to leave their car to remove it?