I need a high-mileage 9mm.
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Hk doesn't go after the consumer market all that heavily compared to other gun companies, but I doubt their prices have to do with hate, simply higher costs because of their location.
Hk's customer support is very good these days, Smith/Walther USA will answer the phone, but the person you need may not call you back, while with Hk I have always received a call by the next morning with the answer.
When someone gives a $900 unless he says that he wants wiggle room for ammo, you can pretty much figure that they have a monthly budget for ammo.
All that great is subjective, the USP design is a getting a little old, but then again the CZ is 32 years old, and the 1911 is nearly 100 years old.
I also find the Hk LEM trigger better then the Glock or stock XD trigger. The only Glock trigger I can stand is the 3.5# 34 connector. Also the grip angle of the Glock doesn't point naturally for me, the ergonomics are pretty much equal for the Glock to USP, but the P2000 and P30 have much better ergonomics then the Glock or the XD.
I used to have an HK USP fullsize in .40, I've also shot USP's in 9mm and .45. IMHO, they're WAAAY too big for their respective calibers, and their ergos suffer as a result. Glock 9mm's fit my hands better than chubby USP 9mm's, and Glocks cost less and have far more aftermarket support.
IIRC, when the USP's first came out, they were priced to compete with Glocks. No one bought them til HK jacked up the prices a couple bills and marketed them as "tactical." Same gun. Suddenly, they're better than Glocks. Huh? If HK USP's cost the same as Glocks, I'd still buy a Glock. Heck, I'd even buy an XD over an HK USP. Don't get me wrong--HK's are well-made, to be sure. I just don't have huge freakin' meat hooks, eh?
To answer the OP, in order, I'd get:
Glock 17/19
CZ-75b or variant
BHP
SIG 226/229
You'll need a high mileage trigger finger, a high mileage credit card, and a low mileage lifestyle to wear out one of those....
IIRC, when the USP's first came out, they were priced to compete with Glocks. No one bought them til HK jacked up the prices a couple bills and marketed them as "tactical." Same gun. Suddenly, they're better than Glocks. Huh? If HK USP's cost the same as Glocks, I'd still buy a Glock. Heck, I'd even buy an XD over an HK USP. Don't get me wrong--HK's are well-made, to be sure. I just don't have huge freakin' meat hooks, eh?
To answer the OP, in order, I'd get:
Glock 17/19
CZ-75b or variant
BHP
SIG 226/229
You'll need a high mileage trigger finger, a high mileage credit card, and a low mileage lifestyle to wear out one of those....
Quiet
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Any 9x19mm made by...
CZ
FN
Glock
H&K
SIG-Sauer
CZ
FN
Glock
H&K
SIG-Sauer
M1 Shooter
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Glock, SIG, HK, CZ, S&W, Walther, Ruger, FN, and Browning all make quality 9mm pistols that will likely last you the rest of your life with proper maintenance. Go try out as many of them as you can, shoot them, then make your choice. Although I have MY favorite, and others have THEIR favorite, you need to find YOUR favorite. I don't think you can really go wrong with any of the brands listed. Just be sure it is right for YOU. Just my .02 cents.
Zak Smith
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Serious USPSA/IPSC competitors shoot more rounds than just about anyone else. The most common pistols used are 1911/2011's and Glocks. You can find people who tried to use BHPs in earlier days, but they had a lifetime significantly less than the 1911s of the day. Based on experience, I would recommend against the CZ. It's hard to go wrong with a Glock in 9mm.
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Though I have never actually seen an example of it in person, I have read that guns with alloy frames can and often do tend to develop stress fractures in their frames around the 20k round mark. Given that aluminium alloys are rather brittle, I have no hard time believing this. Though I'm sure there are plenty of examples out there that have gone much more that 20k rounds without a problem, my feeling is that a steel or polymer framed pistol will suit you best if you expect to put a high volume of rounds through it in a short period of time. My own picks would be:
Glock 17
HK USP 9mm
Ruger P95
CZ 75B
Browning Hi-Power
You might also consider the Sig 2022. It's a polymer framed Sig in the traditional DA/SA configuration. I've never shot one but was eyeing one at local gun shop recently and I really liked the idea (Sig + polymer = indestructable gun that doesn't feel as crappy as a Glock to shot).
Just my thoughts.
Thanks.
Glock 17
HK USP 9mm
Ruger P95
CZ 75B
Browning Hi-Power
You might also consider the Sig 2022. It's a polymer framed Sig in the traditional DA/SA configuration. I've never shot one but was eyeing one at local gun shop recently and I really liked the idea (Sig + polymer = indestructable gun that doesn't feel as crappy as a Glock to shot).
Just my thoughts.
Thanks.
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+1 for 9mm Glocks. 17/19/26/34 the best 9mm made. Reliable, Accurate, and virtually Indestructible.
Best of breed.
Everything else is just trying to emulate a Glock
Zak Smith
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PPGMD,
Out of four CZ-75/85 series pistols I purchased over a period of time, one worked perfectly from the box. Two of them would lock open prematurely due to poor slide stop spring design. One would not feed common commercial defensive ammo. All of them were short-throated and would not chamber all factory ammo (loaded to less than the max spec OAL). Build quality is mixed. On the SA models, the safety is located such that many people cannot operate it without shifting their grip. For an MSRP of $529 (2007 prices), you can do better.
Out of four CZ-75/85 series pistols I purchased over a period of time, one worked perfectly from the box. Two of them would lock open prematurely due to poor slide stop spring design. One would not feed common commercial defensive ammo. All of them were short-throated and would not chamber all factory ammo (loaded to less than the max spec OAL). Build quality is mixed. On the SA models, the safety is located such that many people cannot operate it without shifting their grip. For an MSRP of $529 (2007 prices), you can do better.
10-Ring
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USP 9 or G19
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SIG P228
Best balanced self-loader in the world, IMHO~!
Best balanced self-loader in the world, IMHO~!
Browns Fan
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I have 4-5k rds thru my xd9. I am so impressed with it I bought a 45xd. Niether one has given me trouble.
SAG0282
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Only gun I've put a lot of rounds through (7k +/-) is my SIG Pro, and it's been terrific. Enthusiastic endorsement from me.
dhoomonyou
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any GLOCK in 9mm, should cost you around $500.
Leaves you cash for ammo and training.
Leaves you cash for ammo and training.
atblis
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Actually
I am not just naming my favorite pistol like others in this thread.
Forgot to add the Steyr GB. Those will take a pounding.
HK USPs actually doesn't hold up as well as one would think
HiPowers don't either.
Dunno about the steel framed SIGs. They might hold up better than the aluminum ones.
Thing is, most of the pistols people are naming will last the vast majority of people of couple lifetimes of shooting.
I am not just naming my favorite pistol like others in this thread.
Forgot to add the Steyr GB. Those will take a pounding.
HK USPs actually doesn't hold up as well as one would think
HiPowers don't either.
Dunno about the steel framed SIGs. They might hold up better than the aluminum ones.
Thing is, most of the pistols people are naming will last the vast majority of people of couple lifetimes of shooting.
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