Well my buddy is very liberal, we have been great friends for 10 years and he has never wanted to go shooting with me. I finally broke him down and he said he would go shooting with me. I let him pick which ever gun he wanted to shoot and he said my Steyr M9 felt the best so that is what he wanted to shoot. He shot about 8 inch groups at 15 yards...extremely impressive for a first time shooter. We had a total blast and he says that he is now going to buy a Steyr M9!!! I coudlnt believe it but he is already looking for one in the local shops. One more convert.