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I wanted to point out that it is not just the anti gun crowd we have to worry about.

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by jrdolall, Dec 30, 2012.

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  1. jrdolall

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    We had a family Christmas get together at my house yesterday that was not supposed to include any shooting since we were under some time constraints. During some discussions my nephew said he believes some sort of gun control legislation would pass so we go into the conversation about types of guns. 4 of the younger crowd, 25 years old or so, ALL seemed to be okay with some bans on assault rifles even though every one of them has been around guns and 2 of them actually own guns. Since they are not gun nuts but do own guns for personal protection they are not really interested in Black rifles and don't really understand the underlying situation. How is banning a gun I don't own and don't ever care to own going to affect me?

    Well I had to go to the safe and bring out 5 "black rifles" for them to look at. From a Russian SKS with wood stock to an AK-22, up to an AR-15(the ultimate Black rifle. 223 complete with hi-powered scope, "military style flash suppressor", 30 round magazine and collapsible stock). The first question was "Are those legal"? Followed by "Are they automatics"? Remember that none of these people would ever be labelled as "anti-gun". They are all pro-gun having hunted and been around guns all their lives. Two of them have hunted deer on my place and I gave one of them, my nephew, a 9mm pistol a few years back.

    My rifle range is about 100 yards from my front door. Needless to say I am now almost out of .223 ammo and will not be replacing it anytime soon. I switched everyone over to .22s when it was apparent they were going to run me out of 7.62, .223, and 5.45 so I need that bulk 22 I bought yesterday to hurry up and get here. Small price to pay to educate four young minds.

    The point of this is to make sure we are aware that a large percentage of people who are theoretically pro-gun are not well educated in the terminology and use of "assault rifles" so they may make bad decisions. Uneducated, ignorant, apathetic, it does not really matter. Maybe this is why we see polls showing that 70% of people think we need more legislation.
     
  2. freyasman

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    Agreed

    You are absolutely right, sir. Ignorance and apathy are our enemy...
     
  3. Zardaia

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    Too many fudds that are happy with gun control as long as there deer rifle isn't restricted. Unfortunatly too many people, including many gun owners, don't believe the slippery slope argument. It'll never happen here many think, but give up one gun an a few years down the road the grabbers will demand more when the last ban proves ineffective.
     
  4. 10MMGLOCKDUDE

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    Folks dont understand all of our guns like the Ruger 10-22 and Remington 742 like guns are on this list along with our Glocks.Its scary what we have to do to keep the guns we have on this list.Pay $200 each and finger print with mug shot and we cant pass them on in our family when we pass away.
     
  5. WCraven

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    All of are young kids are being brain washed in school as to offset or contorl us more in the future.. i remember my 9 year old coming home and telling me i have to vote for Obama because her firends would be sent home to mexico if Mitt won.

    This is kind of crap Obama pulled to get relected useing our young kids in school to decide how we vote and no one really knows about it.
     
  6. mokin

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    You're absolutely right! Many gun owners haven't really educated themselves and are too willing to go along with the crowd.
     
  7. poolingmyignorance

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    I live in Texas, and freinds who've known me forever who are avid hunters, and skeet shooters will invite me out, or vise versa. First thing most all of them ask when they see my collection is "Are those legal?!" It's sad, then I have to spend 30 minutes explaining to them why and how, and the differences. All of them, now have a "evil black rifle" or are planning on getting one. (assuming they can).
     
  8. aka108

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    I've run across some shotgunners who really believe their shotguns will never be on a bad gun list and could care less if rifles and handguns are gone forever.
     
  9. AirForceShooter

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    Never ever trust "HUNTERS" or "SPORTSMEN".

    The quotes are intentional.

    AFS
     
  10. Kush

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    Easy response to this nowdays would be to show them what New York is doing such as considering redefining "assault weapon" to include any gun with a magazine over 7 rounds, regardless of action type, such as Lee-Enfields, lever action rifles in pistol calibers, and Ruger single 10 single action assault revolvers.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/cuomo-working-tougher-gun-laws-state-article-1.1224026

    You could also show them how the governer of New York says that a forced buyback of these "assault weapons" could be an option.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/21/n...ll-outline-gun-measures-next-month.html?_r=1&
     
  11. Slipknot_Slim

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    The only people who don't see the need for an AR/AK are the people who don't own one.

    For me, the AR is the perfect home defense weapon. There are very few weapons as instantly recognized as an AR. The intimidation factor is worth the price of the gun. With just a pistol, you may end up in a gun fight with the bad guys. When you show up with an ASSAULT WEAPON, they may cut and run without you ever having to fire a shot. Mission accomplished. Nobody got killed. The anti-gunners would be proud.
     
  12. JKHolman

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    I take the OP's message to mean that for those of us who know better we need to take every opportunity to teach the ignorant (the world is full of teenagers of all ages on this subject) about what is really going on in the fight for our Rights as American citizens.
    A couple of weeks ago I had to patiently insist to a couple of guys at work that I have never owned an assault rifle. The younger of the two (29) said I was making a play on semantics when I properly defined an assault rifle. I warned both fellows that the anti-2ndA people are using semantics to kill our rights starting with the RKBA.
    I then took a compressed ten minutes to better explain things. Hopefully they are a bit wiser on the Second Amendment.
    As I see it, we need to evangelize (I respectfully borrow from the Christian Right) those around us in that word of mouth is the best way to inform others.

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    from Slipknot Slim:

    The only people who don't see the need for an AR/AK are the people who don't own one.


    Another example of the ignorant.


    - JKHolman
     
  13. Yosemite Sam

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    Ha, you're not the one making the play on semantics, it's the anti-gun politicians who are making the semantics word games to deceive the ignorant. And we all know the actions are completely different, and that select-fire full-auto "assault rifles" have been extremely strictly regulated since the National Firearms Act of 1934.

    "Gun show loophole" is another false dichotomy. We all know there is no gun show loophole -- location has nothing to do with it. Anti-gunners lie to the ignorant masses in thinking that gun shows are dangerous, unregulated black markets where thugs and criminals go to buy their tools of the trade.
     
  14. Yosemite Sam

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    I think something to bring up if anyone criticizes the NRA School Shield Program is that their former fearless leader Bill Clinton also came up with the idea of placing armed police officers in schools.

    School Shield Program is still being developed, but if any of the anti-gun people cared to watch the 30 minute conference and the 10 minute follow-up videos, NRA is developing a framework that can be adopted by schools. Consisting of best practices, access control, architectural design. Involves not only uniformed police officers but volunteers and plainclothes people and CCW by teachers and administrators. It's not some redneck, kneejerk response.

    I wish I could better get emotional people to stop being emotional.
     
  15. tomrkba

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    Yup, but if they're stupid enough to even contemplate supporting a ban, then they should refrain from voting.

    It seems to me that many young people have no idea what a right is or that there are limits to government.
     
  16. ZeSpectre

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    I've been having the 'semi-automatic is not a machine gun' conversation a LOT lately
     
  17. Nelson 52

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    I just joined this site and thus this is my first post. My daughter is a 3rd grade teacher, I taught her gun safety and proper handling while she was young and "uneducated". I could not compete with the elite college education in regard to our rights, ie she is ANTI GUN. The arming of teachers will not work as most are nurturers not defenders.
     
  18. Alaska444

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    +1, that is exactly what is happening. Our public schools have brainwashed the kids. We are in grave danger since those coming behind us are clueless and willingly will give up their constitutional rights. Few today have an appreciation of true freedom and what it means.

    Sorry, but I am quite pessimistic especially after watching these same kids help Obama have a second term.
     
  19. Alaska444

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    Not completely true. Utah teachers are flocking to the free classes for CCW offered to them. Israel likewise had push back, but there arming of teachers and volunteers is an example that we must secure the schools and allow self defense even there.
     
  20. ZeSpectre

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    My wife (a long time middle school teacher) started out "gun nervous" when we met and has been solidly "gun neutral" but "rights supportive" during the years of our marriage.

    We've predicated a lot of our safety plans around the idea that she doesn't think she could shoot someone under any circumstances (and I respect that honesty).

    After the New Town Murders she was watching the TV, looked at me and said "If I'd been armed there I'd have shot him dead". I was seriously shocked! We've had some good, heartfelt talks since then and she's calmed down but it was definitely a "sea change" in her attitude on firearms and personal protection.
     
  21. jrdolall

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    I think a lot of us need to think of this as a possibility. I have been shooting guns since I was a child of 4-5. I have killed countless whitetail deer, antelope, mulies, elk, and on and on. I have no qualms whatever about pulling the trigger on any animal I have ever lifeted a gun around. Horse, cow, I have shot them. I am not formally trained in SD but have been informally training all my life and I CANNOT SAY WITH ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY that I could shoot a person. I THINK I could. I plan to be able to do whatever it takes to protect my family and property but I also realize that this is a slope I never want to go down. I KNOW I will do what I need to do if(God forbid) the time ever comes but there is always that little part of my brain that sees the killing/shooting af another human being as a different arena.
    That is why my HD plans are multi-layered so shooting is the final option.
     
  22. Steel Horse Rider

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    You really don't have to look any further than this website. I can't even begin to enumerate the number of members here who seem to be willing to "lay down their arms" in the name of the so-called "public good." Too bad their eyes are also not open to the threat of an all powerful government. You can't blame the sheep when a portion of the sheep dogs are in bed with the wolves......
     
  23. HOWARD J

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    Do not trust this government---they are the enemy
     
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    I too have been suprised at the gun folks that are willing to give up "Some". Now, I don't own a M-60, nor do I want one. However, I believe in the right to own it. I dont have a Corvette, nor do I want one, but I believe in the right to own one. Just cause you don't use the rights you have, doesn't mean you should give them up. Once they are gone, you dont get them back. Dont give up nothing, not 1 inch.
     
  25. NaturalDefensiveRights

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    Indeed. THR, and some of the more popular gun forums are infiltrated at the administrative level. There's no question in mind this is so. We are being socially engineered to stand down when Feinstein's bill or a subsequent milder version comes to pass.
     
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