Super Trucker
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I was chased tonight
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one45auto
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Personally, I think Min did very well indeed.
On the subject of carry modes, in this instance I see no problem with his having kept the Glock in Condition Three since it was underneath the seat. After all, if you have the time to reach down and retrieve it, then you've got time to cycle the slide and chamber a round - right? Concealed carry on your person is a different story, of course, and in that case I would have to agree with other posters here who've recommended Condition One because if the need to draw arose under those circumstances there would likely be no time to rack the slide.
On the subject of carry modes, in this instance I see no problem with his having kept the Glock in Condition Three since it was underneath the seat. After all, if you have the time to reach down and retrieve it, then you've got time to cycle the slide and chamber a round - right? Concealed carry on your person is a different story, of course, and in that case I would have to agree with other posters here who've recommended Condition One because if the need to draw arose under those circumstances there would likely be no time to rack the slide.
Sean85746
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Trying to avoid a conflict is ALWAYS the best way to go about it.
But...CHAMBER that round! Taking that split second to chamber that round may be fine for some misguided TV cops...but in real life...you may not have that split second!
I carry a Glock and feel totally comfortable with a chambered round.
But...CHAMBER that round! Taking that split second to chamber that round may be fine for some misguided TV cops...but in real life...you may not have that split second!
I carry a Glock and feel totally comfortable with a chambered round.
Master Blaster
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Often in a road rage situation , the deal is that the person is enjoying an adrenalin high, so doing fast driving and evasive maneuvering encourages the person chasing you, much like running will almost always cause a dog to chase you. The best thing to do is ignore the person, and drive slowly, they will get fed up that you are not feeding their need for excitement, pass you and drive away to seek their thrill form someone else.
Here was my road rage incident that happened on the way to work three years ago:
I had some idiot try to pass me as he was merging through a yield sign onto the the main road, I didnt slow down to let him in (I was doing 55 on a 50 limit road, right hand lane in morning commute traffic), getting in behind me was not acceptable to this nimrod. So he passed me real close nearly sideswiping me. He then decided that I was annoying him by driving on the same road as he. The jerk had racing stickers all over his "race truck", and I did not get out of his way fast enough or something. So when we arrived at the next light he jumps out of his race truck, bright red in the face ranting and screaming curses and threats at the top of his lungs, and runs around to my driver side door, now I am boxed in by two lanes of traffic on either side and cars behind me (he was in front of me). I drew my glock 26 an kept it low in case I had to use it. I had my 5 year old daughter in the back seat since I was on my way to Kindergarden and work. I cracked my window slightly after he banged on it and let him know I called the police on my cell phone (I had). No way I was getting out of the car. He was wearing his DuPont photo ID with his name on it on his belt. He mumbled something about driving like a race car and the indy 500 ( he was ). I kept my voice low and sid nothing while he ranted, Fortunately after about 20 seconds of ranting and waving his arms, he decided to get back in his truck, if he had attacked me or displayed a weapon I would he shot him in the chest from 12" away, I dont think he saw the gun because I had it below the window line out of view in the low ready mode. I called the police and gave them his license number and name and told them about the road rage incident. No officer came out to see me and that was the last I heard about it, its been three years ago.
Here was my road rage incident that happened on the way to work three years ago:
I had some idiot try to pass me as he was merging through a yield sign onto the the main road, I didnt slow down to let him in (I was doing 55 on a 50 limit road, right hand lane in morning commute traffic), getting in behind me was not acceptable to this nimrod. So he passed me real close nearly sideswiping me. He then decided that I was annoying him by driving on the same road as he. The jerk had racing stickers all over his "race truck", and I did not get out of his way fast enough or something. So when we arrived at the next light he jumps out of his race truck, bright red in the face ranting and screaming curses and threats at the top of his lungs, and runs around to my driver side door, now I am boxed in by two lanes of traffic on either side and cars behind me (he was in front of me). I drew my glock 26 an kept it low in case I had to use it. I had my 5 year old daughter in the back seat since I was on my way to Kindergarden and work. I cracked my window slightly after he banged on it and let him know I called the police on my cell phone (I had). No way I was getting out of the car. He was wearing his DuPont photo ID with his name on it on his belt. He mumbled something about driving like a race car and the indy 500 ( he was ). I kept my voice low and sid nothing while he ranted, Fortunately after about 20 seconds of ranting and waving his arms, he decided to get back in his truck, if he had attacked me or displayed a weapon I would he shot him in the chest from 12" away, I dont think he saw the gun because I had it below the window line out of view in the low ready mode. I called the police and gave them his license number and name and told them about the road rage incident. No officer came out to see me and that was the last I heard about it, its been three years ago.
Gunnutz13
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Yea...ya gotta have one in the pipe, or why carry at all. And never brandish the weapon...if ya draw, it better be to destroy the threat.
Yea...ya gotta have one in the pipe, or why carry at all. And never brandish the weapon...if ya draw, it better be to destroy the threat.
Penforhire
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My point was some carry methods take more time (and hands) to use than the effort required to rack his slide. When the weapon is not charged it is, effectively, only a plastic club. Not suggesting he should use it that way, only that the transition from inert club to charged forearm is short. Why get on him about an unloaded weapon when other folks take longer to unholster their weapon?
If you're driving evasively, guess what, you have no need to charge a handgun. You are commanding a 3,000 lb weapon and capable of running away at high speed. Or do you figure a 4-wheel-drift while shooting out the window is somehow defensive use of a firearm?
If you're driving evasively, guess what, you have no need to charge a handgun. You are commanding a 3,000 lb weapon and capable of running away at high speed. Or do you figure a 4-wheel-drift while shooting out the window is somehow defensive use of a firearm?
Aguila Blanca
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Well, yeah, right ... IF you have time to reach down and retrieve a gun from somewhere under the seat you're sitting on, you probably have time to do lots of things. When TSHTF you probably will NOT have time to do those things, nor will you have time to fumble around under the seat with one hand while trying to drive with the other, and THEN maybe lock and load when you do finally find the gun.
Your CCW is for carrying a handgun on your person, not for sticking it under the seat.
Otherguy Overby
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Keep the gun on you and holstered...
Until, for sure, the situation demands you pulling it.
There was an FBI v bank robber shoot out in Florida some time ago. The feds got into a chase situation & several pulled their weapons and set them on the car seat or under their legs.
Anyway, they got into a crash, quick-stop situation leading to a shootout. They couldn't find their guns several of them died. Trust me... You crash hard and nothing is where it was before.
Do you really wanna crash and then have to stick your butt up in the air while looking around on the floor of your vehicle for your piece? :O)
Until, for sure, the situation demands you pulling it.
There was an FBI v bank robber shoot out in Florida some time ago. The feds got into a chase situation & several pulled their weapons and set them on the car seat or under their legs.
Anyway, they got into a crash, quick-stop situation leading to a shootout. They couldn't find their guns several of them died. Trust me... You crash hard and nothing is where it was before.
Do you really wanna crash and then have to stick your butt up in the air while looking around on the floor of your vehicle for your piece? :O)
I drive a crown vic, which is a big powerful car, but if someone is repeatedly trying to ram me off the road, i'm going to stop my vehicle, exit the vehicle, and test the automotive glass penetration of my winchester rangers if he does anything but drive off or surrendur.
A car is a deadly weapon, if someone is assaulting you with one, defend yourself.
A car is a deadly weapon, if someone is assaulting you with one, defend yourself.
Andrew Rothman
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Your Crown Vic is a tank with a powerful motor.
Getting out of it in a road rage situation in order to shoot is madness... folly... suicidal.
Or just really macho.
Anyway, it sure wouldn't be a smart or legally defensible move.
I hope you take the time to rethink this one before it happens to you.
Getting out of it in a road rage situation in order to shoot is madness... folly... suicidal.
Or just really macho.
Anyway, it sure wouldn't be a smart or legally defensible move.
I hope you take the time to rethink this one before it happens to you.
Cop stands at road block and vehicle charges him, cop empties magazine into car killing driver...so how isn't what i was suggesting legally defensible? If someone is assaulting you with a deadly weapon you are justified in killing them.
If you can't run, fight. If a person in a vehicle is ramming your car in an attempt to KILL YOU, kill him first.
Exiting the vehicle is the best thing to do because if your opponent has a gun, you don't want to be sitting in the drivers seat when he starts shooting. Get out of your car and jump a guard rail, or the corner of a building, somewhere he can not hit you but you can hit him and then do so.
You ask me to rethink this, but you give no alternative. What would you suggest? Talk to the 911 operator as he runs you into a ditch at 80mph? Why not use the handbrake to induce a spin, somehow getting behind him to do a PIT manuver or some equally rediculous hollywood BS?
My car might be a powerful tank, but there's always someone with a more powerful tank. I'm not talking someone following you, i'm talking repeated attempts to kill you by hitting your car.
If you can't run, fight. If a person in a vehicle is ramming your car in an attempt to KILL YOU, kill him first.
Exiting the vehicle is the best thing to do because if your opponent has a gun, you don't want to be sitting in the drivers seat when he starts shooting. Get out of your car and jump a guard rail, or the corner of a building, somewhere he can not hit you but you can hit him and then do so.
You ask me to rethink this, but you give no alternative. What would you suggest? Talk to the 911 operator as he runs you into a ditch at 80mph? Why not use the handbrake to induce a spin, somehow getting behind him to do a PIT manuver or some equally rediculous hollywood BS?
My car might be a powerful tank, but there's always someone with a more powerful tank. I'm not talking someone following you, i'm talking repeated attempts to kill you by hitting your car.
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Ivy Mike
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your car will take more punishment than you will.
Stay in the vehicle unless you have no other choice but to get out. Crown Vic or Hyundai Accent; they are both tougher than Levis.
Even if you hop out and jump a guard rail, you are still without cover. The BG could stop, use their vehicle for cover while shooting at you. You could be stuck in the open with nothing but your t-shirt to stop the bullets. Not a good idea.
At least the car gives you a chance. You can also drive a car that has been hit a few times. It may be ugly and pulling to the right, but it just might save your life.
Grab your gun, click the safety off, call the police and prepare to open fire. I wouldn't try to shoot through glass either. You are placing yourself at a disadvantage by doing so. If you have to shoot, chances are you'll be stopped and be able to exit and use your car as cover.
My own situation went like this. I pulled out of a parking garage only to be cut off and nearly hit by an SUV. I hit the horn to let the guy know there was a car there. He got VERY angry, slammed on the brakes and gave chase. I was in my VW GTI (a very agile little car with good power to weight ratio) and being chased by some portly Chevy Subhuman...I mean Suburban.
The creep followed me around a turn that I handled with no problem, but caused him to go tail-first in some gravel. The clown thought it wise to open the door and step out. I had already made my U-turn and stopped on the other side of the road. He stepped out just in time to see me raise my Makarov from its hiding place next to the seat. Needless to say, the retard jumped into his behemoth and high tailed it outta there.
Good riddance to bad rubbish with poor vehicle selection, poorer driving skills and downright awful common sense.
Stay in the vehicle unless you have no other choice but to get out. Crown Vic or Hyundai Accent; they are both tougher than Levis.
Even if you hop out and jump a guard rail, you are still without cover. The BG could stop, use their vehicle for cover while shooting at you. You could be stuck in the open with nothing but your t-shirt to stop the bullets. Not a good idea.
At least the car gives you a chance. You can also drive a car that has been hit a few times. It may be ugly and pulling to the right, but it just might save your life.
Grab your gun, click the safety off, call the police and prepare to open fire. I wouldn't try to shoot through glass either. You are placing yourself at a disadvantage by doing so. If you have to shoot, chances are you'll be stopped and be able to exit and use your car as cover.
My own situation went like this. I pulled out of a parking garage only to be cut off and nearly hit by an SUV. I hit the horn to let the guy know there was a car there. He got VERY angry, slammed on the brakes and gave chase. I was in my VW GTI (a very agile little car with good power to weight ratio) and being chased by some portly Chevy Subhuman...I mean Suburban.
The creep followed me around a turn that I handled with no problem, but caused him to go tail-first in some gravel. The clown thought it wise to open the door and step out. I had already made my U-turn and stopped on the other side of the road. He stepped out just in time to see me raise my Makarov from its hiding place next to the seat. Needless to say, the retard jumped into his behemoth and high tailed it outta there.
Good riddance to bad rubbish with poor vehicle selection, poorer driving skills and downright awful common sense.
ChopperKen
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Victory, What motor in the vic?
I'm a auto mech. and have worked on the crown vic. for the police in my area. they call it a turd,(at least with the 4.6) .
The merc.merauder was a powerful car, the mustang is fast,and the 150 lightning is a real blaster.
But all the cop vic's I've driven are SLOW, even if they do handle nice.
Of course this may just be a matter of perspective since I drive a 350 V-8
powered S-10 as a daily driver..
Ken
I'm a auto mech. and have worked on the crown vic. for the police in my area. they call it a turd,(at least with the 4.6) .
The merc.merauder was a powerful car, the mustang is fast,and the 150 lightning is a real blaster.
But all the cop vic's I've driven are SLOW, even if they do handle nice.
Of course this may just be a matter of perspective since I drive a 350 V-8
powered S-10 as a daily driver..
Ken
C. H. Luke
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"Never present a firearm unless you intend to use it."
Kind of a broad sweeping statement here?
Ever heard of the "Ready" positon & what uses it has?
Kind of a broad sweeping statement here?
Ever heard of the "Ready" positon & what uses it has?
It's not a fast car at all, and all crown vics are 4.6L SOHC. It runs a 15.7 in the quarter, which puts it ahead of your standard family car, but not by much. the real advantage is in the top end. It doesn't run out of steam until around 135mph. It's also tough as nails, i haven't been able to kill the damn thing.
Next car is probably gonna be the dodge charger scheduled for release soon. mmmm....hemi.
Next car is probably gonna be the dodge charger scheduled for release soon. mmmm....hemi.
Cryptoguru, is this something you were carrying, or something you grabbed out of your car? Didn't the cops have a problem with you chucking this into his car, causing an accident? Not making any judgments, just a little curious. Not a bad idea for an addition to the vehicle-arsenal; just wondering about legalities of chucking into cars; resultant liability for accidents, etc., etc.
As others have said, don't leave the gun loose in the car. If you can't carry it on body or you're not willing to carry it on body, get one that you can. Then put the Glock in the glovebox if you must have it around.
Concerning cars, I have a BMW M3 so if I were to be chased the other car would have to be a rocket.
Concerning cars, I have a BMW M3 so if I were to be chased the other car would have to be a rocket.
benEzra
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Most excellent advice. Familiarity with how my '87 Camry handles at the very limit of adhesion has saved me from at least one collision, possibly more. And it does wear Goodyear Eagles, which drastically improve braking and handling over the stock do-nothing-well tires.
270-degree freeway onramps make excellent skidpads to evaluate steady-state cornering, and I used to live on a deserted road where it was easy to test transient handling (try slaloming the yellow dotted line with the left front wheel
).Knowing my car's transient handling was the one that saved me from an accident. I was driving in heavy traffic and the guy next to me decided to suddenly move HARD into my lane (he didn't see me, and I think he was in a large pickup truck). I knew that the space immediately to my right was clear (SA, SA) and executed an extreme lane change so quickly that the Eagles screeched on initiation and cessation; I avoided getting hit by about a foot, IIRC. Had he hit me, he'd have probably knocked me right off the road, but had I spun the car, I'd have been hit by all the other traffic.
Hasn't happened to my Camry, and it has 223,000 miles on it.
Penforhire
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Brick, nice choice! That is one of the heaviest fast cars around. Well into the 4,000 lb range IIRC, though the CSi is the lightweight model. Audi S8 would be in the same class. But if you're going to spend money then maybe give me a Porsche Cayenne turbo?
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