I would Like to Pose a Question to You All

[gamestalker]

I respect your enthusiasm and energy in support of our 2A freedoms, but I think your beating a dead horse. And although there are rare exceptions, very rare, you aren't going to accomplish anything that will alter their perspective or agenda. And because the success of their career and position relies on support from constituents, they are not going to budge an inch on their anti agenda.

Here is another way to look at it. Does anything the left wingers to do in this respect, cause you to consider changing your perspective, as in supporting their agenda?

GS

 

[Cee Zee]

That reflects a complete and utter misunderstanding of the Civil Rights Movement of the 1950s and 1960s.

OMG you actually think I was posting against the civil rights act? Good grief. All I said was the "government" got very paranoid about what happened. I certainly never implied that anyone associated with that march in 1963 was violent in any way. There were elements (the Black Panthers for example) that did preach violence but their influence was severely limited compared to King. Still it made the government paranoid whether they should have been or not. I think they over-reacted tremendously.

I think MLK was a tremendous inspiration for everyone (despite his personal failings) and he inspired a great deal of my life. How on earth you got it in your head that I was opposed to what he did is flat out amazing. It might help you to know that I am a mixed race individual having both northern European genes and native American genes (a substantial percentage of them too BTW). The idea that I supported the use of force against King is preposterous and I never said any such thing. Stop trying to torture my posts into something they aren't please. I have tried to live by the "I Have A Dream" speech since he first said it. It has guided me throughout my life and I still try to judge people on their character and certainly not their skin color. I was very young when that speech happened and I took it to heart and incorporated it into my personality and it has remained there ever since because it was the right thing for him to say.

BTW no one has proof of the machine guns being mounted on the White House at the time of the 1963 march.. But that has been a persistent rumor since the march happened though and a whole lot of people think it happened.

And just FYI the government most certainly dispatched troops to guard the capitol and the White House after the death of MLK in 1968. Riots were happening everywhere and DC was heating up so they put soldiers on the street. Here's a photo of some soldiers on the streets of DC in the aftermath of King's death and the riots. It comes from Wikipedia but it actually did happen anyway. In fact rioting reached to within 2 blocks of the White House at the time so Johnson put 13,600 federal troops on the street to aid the DC police in keeping order.

How you got that I supported an armed suppression of the Civil Rights March is just astounding to me. And before you give me some baloney about how I word things be aware that my second major in college was journalism. I may not take the time to write perfectly in this forum but there's no way you can claim I don't know how to communicate. Well "you" can but then again you have a vivid imagination. I could go on to tell you how I am of mixed race (northern European/native American) and how my son is about to marry a wonderful black woman and how my best friend in college was black and how I have dated black women myself but I suspect you would twist those things around too. How lawyer like of you.

 

[Potatohead]

I say do it, man. Most of the videos on YouTube suck!

 

[Frank Ettin]

OMG you actually think I was posting against the civil rights act?...

Where did I say that?

...All I said was the "government" got very paranoid about what happened. I certainly never implied that anyone associated with that march in 1963 was violent in any way...

What you said, exactly, was (post 23):

....And we can look back to the civil rights marches in Washington in the 1960's to see evidence that politicians worry about a violent overthrow of the government. Remember that most of them are heavily invested in the status quo and they get their big pay offs after they hold office. The word is they mounted machine guns on top of the White House along with rocket launchers on the day Martin Luther King marched there...

And now you're backpedaling with (post 27):

...BTW no one has proof of the machine guns being mounted on the White House at the time of the 1963 march.. But that has been a persistent rumor since the march happened though and a whole lot of people think it happened....

So in post 23 you try to paint a picture of a paranoid government fearing a violent overthrow and support that picture with a claim that the government hardened Washington's defense in anticipation of MLK's march. Now you admit that there is no evidence, but fall back on "persistent rumor."

...And just FYI the government most certainly dispatched troops to guard the capitol and the White House after the death of MLK in 1968....

Which is another matter entirely.

...How you got that I supported an armed suppression of the Civil Rights March is just astounding to me...

And I certainly never said anything like that. But you did imply, as I quoted you above that the government was prepared to suppress the march by force of arms.

...I may not take the time to write perfectly in this forum but there's no way you can claim I don't know how to communicate....

1. If you can't trouble yourself to communicate clearly and accurately here, why should anyone take you seriously?
   
   
2. I have no way of knowing whether or not you know how to communicate. I can only go by what I see here.

 

[Trung Si]

[If you've got a good idea, go for it. Don't let the nay-sayers hold you back. They may be right but don't give in to defeatism. The fact that it may not work is no reason not to try

It's not defeatism, It happens to be reality, it has been tried and tried over and over on the Internet and in Town Hall Meetings throughout this Country for years now, without any positive results that I have ever ben made aware of, I commend you for your Effort and willingness to do this, but you will just be preaching to the Choir, no one in the Congregation will hear you, because they do not want to.:banghead:

 

[Potatohead]

It's not defeatism, It happens to be reality, it has been tried and tried over and over on the Internet and in Town Hall Meetings throughout this Country for years now, without any positive results that I have ever ben made aware of, I commend you for your Effort and willingness to do this, but you will just be preaching to the Choir, no one in the Congregation will hear you, because they do not want to.:banghead:

You never know what will catch on, and have a profound effect on people. Timing plays a role too...I say go for it.

 

[Potatohead]

How you got that I supported an armed suppression of the Civil Rights March is just astounding to me. And before you give me some baloney about how I word things be aware that my second major in college was journalism. I may not take the time to write perfectly in this forum but there's no way you can claim I don't know how to communicate. Well "you" can but then again you have a vivid imagination. I could go on to tell you how I am of mixed race (northern European/native American) and how my son is about to marry a wonderful black woman and how my best friend in college was black and how I have dated black women myself but I suspect you would twist those things around too. How lawyer like of you.

Okey dokey...I hate to join this fight, but I think you are being a bit over sensitive, all he said was you were misunderstanding the Civil Rights movement, not that you hate African Americans...Also, I'm always skeptical of the folks who say "I'm not racist I have 3 African American friends", or," my best friend in 3rd grade was an African American," or "my cousins aunt married a Jew, they're great!"or "I'm .063% Nigerian"....Sounds like they're trying to convince people (or themselves) that they are not racist. Just my opinion.

 

[buck460XVR]

I would hope that lobbyists employed the NRA and paid for by us, the members, would already be trying to educate members of the legislature in basic firearm knowledge, in the process of trying to convince them that firearms are already over-regulated. Seems this would be more effective than trying to get them to watch YouTube.

 

[Life During Wartime]

Thanks for the support guys!
I still don't know about the copyright issue however, do I really have to get permissions or not?
and if I would have to, if I work up a list, will anyone step forward to help me out with pictures. I can cover some of the topics with my own guns, but I don't have all of the types of actions I want to cover.

 

[T2K]

We wish legislators had a broad and balanced spectrum of knowledge about firearms.

However, people that are into environmentalism wish legislators knew all about polar bears and ice caps melting and on and on.

Others with legislators knew all the ins and outs of healthcare, our relationship with India, business subsidies, voter fraud, etc.

My point is that legislators can't know everything. So, what they do make sure they are good at is getting elected and re-elected.