LebbenB
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Speaking of VEPRs, here's a company out of NH (I think) that does some great work with the VEPR. But I kind of balk at paying $2000+ for what amounts to a .308 Win AK.
http://snakehoundmachine.com/
http://snakehoundmachine.com/
Ideas for a General Purpose Rifle (GPR) chambered in 308
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the odds of needing to engage multiple armed targets simply aren't that great. i just don't live that dangerously anymore 
. therefor, semi-autos bring too much to the table where less will do just as well for a GPR and be handier to boot.
if i were to head into a situation where i needed to tend to serious social work, my 5.56 gun would be the one i grabbed. but we're talking a whole different ballgame then.
a GPR to me, means the one that you grab when you head out the door to walk the back 40. the one that rides in the truck. the one that gets taken to camp for no other reason than to just have a rifle along for anything that needs to be dealt with.
i guess a lot of what one decides to use as a GPR will be based on their AO.
all else being equal, bolts and levers are more rugged and reliable. that's why they are the choice in some of the more extreme environs on the planet, just as revolvers are generally more reliable than semis. that's not to say that your m14s are not reliable. but it's a fact that there is more to go wrong with semi-autos. i don't think anyone would argue that single shots are probably the most reliable there is, but then most prefer to have a repeater of some sort, so there's compromise.
for me, my go to would be a '75 marlin 336 30-30. i'm not opposed to heavy guns, and i have and use a few. but heavy and handy typically don't go hand in hand. i've witnessed other shooters who felt totally comfortable and confident in their platform switch to something lighter and handier and see their hits improve drastically, and be amazed at how well they did with little familiarization. it's kind-of like 'you don't know what you're missing until you give it a whirl'.
for .308 i would prefer a bolt gun, no more than a 20" bbl, flush mag, irons, and a QR scope of about 1-4(or 6)x. craigc's ruger rsi sounds about right. and i know cz makes a nice FS 550 as well. i had a ruge gsr that i recently sold. it was a fine rifle, but i really disliked the detachable mag. the gun was short, not too heavy, but just felt clumsy at times, and i attributed it to the det. mag.
if you really deem the semi auto and higher capacity necessary, the m14 is a fine weapon. my needs and requirements are just slightly different.
. therefor, semi-autos bring too much to the table where less will do just as well for a GPR and be handier to boot. if i were to head into a situation where i needed to tend to serious social work, my 5.56 gun would be the one i grabbed. but we're talking a whole different ballgame then.
a GPR to me, means the one that you grab when you head out the door to walk the back 40. the one that rides in the truck. the one that gets taken to camp for no other reason than to just have a rifle along for anything that needs to be dealt with.
i guess a lot of what one decides to use as a GPR will be based on their AO.
all else being equal, bolts and levers are more rugged and reliable. that's why they are the choice in some of the more extreme environs on the planet, just as revolvers are generally more reliable than semis. that's not to say that your m14s are not reliable. but it's a fact that there is more to go wrong with semi-autos. i don't think anyone would argue that single shots are probably the most reliable there is, but then most prefer to have a repeater of some sort, so there's compromise.
for me, my go to would be a '75 marlin 336 30-30. i'm not opposed to heavy guns, and i have and use a few. but heavy and handy typically don't go hand in hand. i've witnessed other shooters who felt totally comfortable and confident in their platform switch to something lighter and handier and see their hits improve drastically, and be amazed at how well they did with little familiarization. it's kind-of like 'you don't know what you're missing until you give it a whirl'.
for .308 i would prefer a bolt gun, no more than a 20" bbl, flush mag, irons, and a QR scope of about 1-4(or 6)x. craigc's ruger rsi sounds about right. and i know cz makes a nice FS 550 as well. i had a ruge gsr that i recently sold. it was a fine rifle, but i really disliked the detachable mag. the gun was short, not too heavy, but just felt clumsy at times, and i attributed it to the det. mag.
if you really deem the semi auto and higher capacity necessary, the m14 is a fine weapon. my needs and requirements are just slightly different.
sappyg
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^^^ this.
My GPRS works out good for me. Light. Handy. Accurate. Powerful enough for anything I'll ever need.
But, if I had to have a semi auto (and I could afford it) the SCAR 17 is a real winner in my mind.
My GPRS works out good for me. Light. Handy. Accurate. Powerful enough for anything I'll ever need.
But, if I had to have a semi auto (and I could afford it) the SCAR 17 is a real winner in my mind.
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A bolt gun is better for day-to-day (unless you just don't like working a bolt between shots ), but the GPR was described as needing at least the capability of a decent volume of fire. I would submit that means it at least needs a means of being loaded or topped-off quickly and easily, if not actual magazine capacity and semi-auto fire.
That "modern" bolt guns and levers (well most of them, anyway) need to be single-loaded with the breech open is a demonstrable disadvantage in this regard. A gun with clip guides (and a decent clip, which is even more important), en-blocs/Mannlicher clips, detachable box magazines, or a fancy-pants loading gate for multiple rounds like the Krag seems like it would do better in this area. A lever gun may also do poorer in the prone position (I base this solely on supposition and not knowledge) which a defending rifleman would be wisest to assume if returning fire at distance with no cover.
To dovetail this discussion into jason41987's milsurp project thread, a straight-pull bolt action would do great here, too. I'll recommend a Blaser this time just to change it up a bit
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), but the GPR was described as needing at least the capability of a decent volume of fire. I would submit that means it at least needs a means of being loaded or topped-off quickly and easily, if not actual magazine capacity and semi-auto fire.That "modern" bolt guns and levers (well most of them, anyway) need to be single-loaded with the breech open is a demonstrable disadvantage in this regard. A gun with clip guides (and a decent clip, which is even more important), en-blocs/Mannlicher clips, detachable box magazines, or a fancy-pants loading gate for multiple rounds like the Krag seems like it would do better in this area. A lever gun may also do poorer in the prone position (I base this solely on supposition and not knowledge) which a defending rifleman would be wisest to assume if returning fire at distance with no cover.
To dovetail this discussion into jason41987's milsurp project thread, a straight-pull bolt action would do great here, too. I'll recommend a Blaser this time just to change it up a bit
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you know.. i just dont see straight pulls being all that faster.. reason i say that is this, to operate a straight pull you take your hand off the trigger, pull it back, push it forward, and back down to the trigger.. so.. your hand moves up, back, forward, down.. same as a standard bolt action, only difference is you dont actually operate the bolt until steps 2 and 3 of the same motion
Ash
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General Purpose Rifle is really best filled, in my opinion, by the Main Battle Rifle.
.223 is okay, but not great for getting bigger game. It'll do the job, of course, but not as well or reliably. .308 would do it.
But in that role, 7.62x54r would work as well. I keep a Mosin m91/59 just for that reason. A compact bolt gun that is simple as heck, has all it needs and nothing it doesn't, and will shoot straight without adjustment 20 years from now. I once had a PSL and NDM-86 for that job, too.
.223 is okay, but not great for getting bigger game. It'll do the job, of course, but not as well or reliably. .308 would do it.
But in that role, 7.62x54r would work as well. I keep a Mosin m91/59 just for that reason. A compact bolt gun that is simple as heck, has all it needs and nothing it doesn't, and will shoot straight without adjustment 20 years from now. I once had a PSL and NDM-86 for that job, too.
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i currently use a mosin nagant M38 model as my general purpose rifle, its one with a 20 inch barrel, no attached bayonet like the M44, so its also the lightest mosin nagant, i cant say id recommend it as a general purpose rifle though because a general purpose rifle should be practiced with a lot, therefor, have a steady source of ammunition and with the mosin nagant, most factory ammo is pretty expensive and reloading components are not the easiest to come by (.311-.312" bullets as opposed to 308)
my opinion on 5.56, 7.62x39, 5.45x39, these are lighter, smaller calibers that in my opinion are designed to be easy to train on for new recruits.. softer recoil doesnt discourage new shooters like a 308 or larger might, but for those of us with experience in shooting id say definitely go .308 or larger, the added power, range, accuracy, and penetration is great to have if you can handle it.
im not sure why a few more inches would be all that important.. think about this, your primary concerns are hunting, protection, and you mention a lot of outdoor stuff, so id probably prefer the slightly longer barrels for a bit more range and accuracy
ive actually been looking for a new bolt action to be my #1 rifle, was considering things like the K98K mauser, K31 because operating a bolt will become like second nature with practice, and stripper clips allow a quick reload.. but ive since decided im probably going to fill this role with an egyptian contracted FN-49 in 8mm mauser (though as barnbwt has shown, argentina did make a .308 version with detachable box magazine
my opinion on 5.56, 7.62x39, 5.45x39, these are lighter, smaller calibers that in my opinion are designed to be easy to train on for new recruits.. softer recoil doesnt discourage new shooters like a 308 or larger might, but for those of us with experience in shooting id say definitely go .308 or larger, the added power, range, accuracy, and penetration is great to have if you can handle it.
im not sure why a few more inches would be all that important.. think about this, your primary concerns are hunting, protection, and you mention a lot of outdoor stuff, so id probably prefer the slightly longer barrels for a bit more range and accuracy
ive actually been looking for a new bolt action to be my #1 rifle, was considering things like the K98K mauser, K31 because operating a bolt will become like second nature with practice, and stripper clips allow a quick reload.. but ive since decided im probably going to fill this role with an egyptian contracted FN-49 in 8mm mauser (though as barnbwt has shown, argentina did make a .308 version with detachable box magazine
I love lever guns but they are the weakest most complicated rifle designthe odds of needing to engage multiple armed targets simply aren't that great. i just don't live that dangerously anymore
if i were to head into a situation where i needed to tend to serious social work, my 5.56 gun would be the one i grabbed. but we're talking a whole different ballgame then.
a GPR to me, means the one that you grab when you head out the door to walk the back 40. the one that rides in the truck. the one that gets taken to camp for no other reason than to just have a rifle along for anything that needs to be dealt with.
i guess a lot of what one decides to use as a GPR will be based on their AO.
all else being equal, bolts and levers are more rugged and reliable. that's why they are the choice in some of the more extreme environs on the planet, just as revolvers are generally more reliable than semis. that's not to say that your m14s are not reliable. but it's a fact that there is more to go wrong with semi-autos. i don't think anyone would argue that single shots are probably the most reliable there is, but then most prefer to have a repeater of some sort, so there's compromise.
for me, my go to would be a '75 marlin 336 30-30. i'm not opposed to heavy guns, and i have and use a few. but heavy and handy typically don't go hand in hand. i've witnessed other shooters who felt totally comfortable and confident in their platform switch to something lighter and handier and see their hits improve drastically, and be amazed at how well they did with little familiarization. it's kind-of like 'you don't know what you're missing until you give it a whirl'.
for .308 i would prefer a bolt gun, no more than a 20" bbl, flush mag, irons, and a QR scope of about 1-4(or 6)x. craigc's ruger rsi sounds about right. and i know cz makes a nice FS 550 as well. i had a ruge gsr that i recently sold. it was a fine rifle, but i really disliked the detachable mag. the gun was short, not too heavy, but just felt clumsy at times, and i attributed it to the det. mag.
if you really deem the semi auto and higher capacity necessary, the m14 is a fine weapon. my needs and requirements are just slightly different.
CraigC
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Oft-repeated but untrue. The lever on your average levergun protrudes less than the magazine of an AR. If you can shoot an AR prone without resting the mag on the ground, you can shoot a lever prone. Although I can't remember the last time I shot prone in the field.
The old man got a SCAR-17 last year and I've spent a good deal of time with it. While I tend to like more traditional rifles and think the M1A is a fine piece of machinery, for actual use with an optic, I'd probably prefer the SCAR. For iron sight use, the M1A definitely wins. However, if we are honest and realistic about these things, the only real advantage the semi-auto has over a bolt or lever is capacity. Unfortunately, rapidity of fire is only a bonus if they are placed accurately and for deliberate, accurate fire, the semi-auto .308 will have little or no advantage. IMHO, you simply cannot recover between shots quickly enough to make up the difference. A skilled rifleman can operate his chosen weapon fast enough while recovering from recoil to make the difference negligible.
I disagree.
These videos show how fast someone can run a semi-auto 308 for short range shots...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5wqSY9GW24
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmJhFIPKmcc
A general purpose rifle is to be used for taking shots up close, medium range and those long, far shots.
Putting a semi-auto up against a bolt gun at 700 meters and the bolt gun is just about as fast as the semi-auto.
For anything inside of 300 meters the semi-auto is going to be faster.
My FAL does not kick nearly as hard as a bolt action 308 and the rifle is ready to send the next round pretty darn quick.
A guy with the bolt action would still be working the bolt of his rifle while the guy with a semi-auto will be firing a second, or third aimed round.
To make your statement accurate you should ad the qualifier "With long range shots...
CraigC
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Dude, it's Jerry Miculek and he's shooting at 20ft. Yes, very obviously, a semi-auto is going to be faster for mag dumps at near contact range. That's not really what I was talking about. And again, I have to question the relevance of such an activity for a "general purpose" rifle. This is the difference between folks who are primarily concerned with the 1 in a billion chance that they'll need their rifle for defensive use and those who actually use their rifle on a regular basis, in a rural setting, for multiple purposes.
Perhaps but the difference won't be what you think it is.
Which makes me think you have not spent much time with a boltgun.
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CraigC
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Yes, we obviously do. I think the basis for this discussion should be to outline what you actually require of your chosen rifle. "General purpose" is too ambiguous and means different things for different people.
I want a rifle with iron sights that is capable of mounting an optic.
One in an intermediate rifle cartridge capable of cleanly taking all medium game. Which means coyotes and other varmints are easy. Magnums need not apply.
Be relatively light in weight and fast handling, comfortable to shoot AND carry. Have a decent, tunable trigger.
Defensive use would be at the bottom of the list and it seems rather silly to me to choose a rifle with that as a primary concern. I've never encountered a horde of zombies as of yet.
For the most part, I think people use what they want to use.
I want a rifle with iron sights that is capable of mounting an optic.
One in an intermediate rifle cartridge capable of cleanly taking all medium game. Which means coyotes and other varmints are easy. Magnums need not apply.
Be relatively light in weight and fast handling, comfortable to shoot AND carry. Have a decent, tunable trigger.
Defensive use would be at the bottom of the list and it seems rather silly to me to choose a rifle with that as a primary concern. I've never encountered a horde of zombies as of yet.
For the most part, I think people use what they want to use.
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CraigC, once you want to step down to an intermediate cartridge you have left this thread behind.
The OP said "So what are your thoughts concerning a 308 chambered GPR?
Eye candy encouraged if ya wanna share your pics here."
I take your zombie comment as derogatory and not welcome.
Certaintly not a HighRoad attitude.
Me thinks you have a chip on your shoulder
Please go back and re-read the OP; the GPR was pretty clearly outlined, if you disagree that's cool, man. Go ahead and define a GPR in any manner that suits you, but maybe you need to do it in another thread.
This thread is talking about 308 rifles.
The OP said "So what are your thoughts concerning a 308 chambered GPR?
Eye candy encouraged if ya wanna share your pics here."
I take your zombie comment as derogatory and not welcome.
Certaintly not a HighRoad attitude.
Me thinks you have a chip on your shoulder
Please go back and re-read the OP; the GPR was pretty clearly outlined, if you disagree that's cool, man. Go ahead and define a GPR in any manner that suits you, but maybe you need to do it in another thread.
This thread is talking about 308 rifles.
I would agree with Demilled, as his examples have been my experience with the M14 as well.
A semiautomatic rifle does not require either hand to move during the process of firing said rifle either. All focus is thus directed at acquiring a target, placing the shot, and immediately acquiring another target. Ie..... K.I.S.S. while shooting them.
I cant speak for everyone obviously, but mine have proven to be the better rifle for hunting multiple hogs at close to medium range....vs a lever or a bolt.
(Right or left handed bolt in my case, as I'm lefthanded, and left eye dominant.
Note: My left hand doesn't have to leave the grip, as I use my right hand for everything else, such as immediate action drills, as well as reloading.
With that being said, I have seen quite a few folks who don't shoot the Fal or M14 well. Their issues are typically not with the rifle, but with the techniques (or lack of) they utilize in the attempt. Several Youtube examples of folks attempting to rapid fire an M14/M1A can be found easily.
Another problem I encounter with semiautomatic rifles in general equate to the lack of knowledge required to maintain them for optimum reliability, longevity, and ability to operate them at their maximum level of performance. (A reason why I keep a maintenance log on mine) PMCS is important. A bolt action is much easier and simple to maintain, but not necessarily more reliable.
A well built bolt action will be very K.I.S.S. in terms of maintenance in comparison, but that doesn't mean it is automatically more reliable in and of itself.
With that being said, I have no problems with another's choice, and like to hear from folks who have chosen bolts, levers' etc as their own.
( Nice lookin rifle you have there sappyg.)
A semiautomatic rifle does not require either hand to move during the process of firing said rifle either. All focus is thus directed at acquiring a target, placing the shot, and immediately acquiring another target. Ie..... K.I.S.S. while shooting them.
I cant speak for everyone obviously, but mine have proven to be the better rifle for hunting multiple hogs at close to medium range....vs a lever or a bolt.
(Right or left handed bolt in my case, as I'm lefthanded, and left eye dominant.
Note: My left hand doesn't have to leave the grip, as I use my right hand for everything else, such as immediate action drills, as well as reloading.
With that being said, I have seen quite a few folks who don't shoot the Fal or M14 well. Their issues are typically not with the rifle, but with the techniques (or lack of) they utilize in the attempt. Several Youtube examples of folks attempting to rapid fire an M14/M1A can be found easily.
Another problem I encounter with semiautomatic rifles in general equate to the lack of knowledge required to maintain them for optimum reliability, longevity, and ability to operate them at their maximum level of performance. (A reason why I keep a maintenance log on mine) PMCS is important. A bolt action is much easier and simple to maintain, but not necessarily more reliable.
A well built bolt action will be very K.I.S.S. in terms of maintenance in comparison, but that doesn't mean it is automatically more reliable in and of itself.
With that being said, I have no problems with another's choice, and like to hear from folks who have chosen bolts, levers' etc as their own.
( Nice lookin rifle you have there sappyg.)
Craig C:
You are correct. We do define a GPR in a different manner. I have no problem with how you define yours to be.
I have defined mine when I started this thread, and am not interested in intermediate calibers for this thread's purpose.
Why not start your own and define your intermediate caliber GPR?
That other thread you mentioned........ a fellow member gave us both good advice, so I started this one.
Last thing.... I would not feel at all qualified to tell you or anyone else I don't know and shoot with personally what they can and cannot do with their rifle of choice. (That's a hint)
Edit: I mean no offense to you or anyone here. FWIW.... I do love 308 chambered bolt action rifles too include the Ruger GSR, but do not use one as my general purpose rifle.
I also hope that your 99.9% stats are correct when it comes to one getting involved in a gunfight. If this does not prove to be the case, then I prefer to use the same semiautomatic rifle that I also use to hunt with, keep records on, and PMCS.
I'm not saying that it's the better choice for everyone, but I state why it is better for me.
Similar reasons as why the Springfield rifle was replaced by the M1 Garand.
You are correct. We do define a GPR in a different manner. I have no problem with how you define yours to be.
I have defined mine when I started this thread, and am not interested in intermediate calibers for this thread's purpose.
Why not start your own and define your intermediate caliber GPR?
That other thread you mentioned........ a fellow member gave us both good advice, so I started this one.
Last thing.... I would not feel at all qualified to tell you or anyone else I don't know and shoot with personally what they can and cannot do with their rifle of choice. (That's a hint)
Edit: I mean no offense to you or anyone here. FWIW.... I do love 308 chambered bolt action rifles too include the Ruger GSR, but do not use one as my general purpose rifle.
I also hope that your 99.9% stats are correct when it comes to one getting involved in a gunfight. If this does not prove to be the case, then I prefer to use the same semiautomatic rifle that I also use to hunt with, keep records on, and PMCS.
I'm not saying that it's the better choice for everyone, but I state why it is better for me.
Similar reasons as why the Springfield rifle was replaced by the M1 Garand.
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AKMtnRunner
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I can't imagine a situation where security and medium/big game hunting are both a concern and you wouldn't want to heavily lean towards the security needs. I'd want to minimize weight and maximize number of rounds and controllability, then consider if that round could put meat on the table if given the chance. I'm thinking that a 6.5 Grendel or 6.8 SPC, or even 7.62x39 would be a lot better than .308.
CraigC
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Methinks you interpreted what I posted a little off. There is no need for hostility. I probably misused the term "intermediate" in this context because I am referring to the .308 class of cartridges. To differentiate from lesser cartridges and anything based off the .30-06 and larger.
From post #23:
".....I have a wonderful little Ruger 77MKII RSI in .250Savage that goes exactly 8lbs, loaded, with a Leupold 1.5-5x and leather sling. It also has iron sights and the optic is removable with a quarter. The same rifle is available in .308 and that or the GSR would be my choice in a boltgun."
That is uncalled-for and inaccurate.
Stop trying so hard to be offended, no offense was intended. The point, which you clearly missed, is that the semi-auto's main advantage would be against multiple well-armed assailants. Also that the likelihood you'll have such an encounter is only slightly higher than having to defend yourself against a horde of zombies. If you want your "GPR" (which means Lyman Great Plains Rifle to me) to be better suited to the tiniest possibility, that is fine. I prefer mine to be better suited to what I KNOW will happen, will happen often and in the immediate future.
Maybe you should leave the moderating to the moderators. This thread was started because of a tangent discussion between fragout and myself in another thread.
Maybe YOU s hould try reading what I've posted, instead of just skimming through it looking for something to get miffed about.
From post #23:
".....I have a wonderful little Ruger 77MKII RSI in .250Savage that goes exactly 8lbs, loaded, with a Leupold 1.5-5x and leather sling. It also has iron sights and the optic is removable with a quarter. The same rifle is available in .308 and that or the GSR would be my choice in a boltgun."
Getting back to the thread here.....
I'm looking into other ideas as of late, reloading for mine as of now, and trying out a few different optics for mine.
I really am starting to like my Leupold VX1 1-4x20mm scope for most of the hunting I do, and I prefer it's compact/lightweight size on my M14S. Plenty of eye relief in my case, and an excellent FOV set on 1x. The holdover lines on the reticle coincide well with this particular rifle's favorite 165gr hunting load.
When mounted to the ARMS18 with Leupold rings, the scope itself doesn't feel awkward mounted over the receiver as some do, and I haven't felt the need to raise the comb either. (About 1/16in clearance from the rear sight aperture.)
Also lookin at a 3x9 Redfield for another project involving an M14SA.
It's legal where I'm from to use a can for hunting, so I'm tempted by the following video.....................
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-18XtGbo3YI
I'm looking into other ideas as of late, reloading for mine as of now, and trying out a few different optics for mine.
I really am starting to like my Leupold VX1 1-4x20mm scope for most of the hunting I do, and I prefer it's compact/lightweight size on my M14S. Plenty of eye relief in my case, and an excellent FOV set on 1x. The holdover lines on the reticle coincide well with this particular rifle's favorite 165gr hunting load.
When mounted to the ARMS18 with Leupold rings, the scope itself doesn't feel awkward mounted over the receiver as some do, and I haven't felt the need to raise the comb either. (About 1/16in clearance from the rear sight aperture.)
Also lookin at a 3x9 Redfield for another project involving an M14SA.
It's legal where I'm from to use a can for hunting, so I'm tempted by the following video.....................
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-18XtGbo3YI
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BTSP to be exact. Here is the specifics concerning my M14S and a successful elk hunt......
Ammunition = 165gr Fed Sierra Gameking BTSP.
Muzzle velocity = 2680fps average in area hunted with chronograpgh
E.C plotted with my ballistics program gave me the following callculations.
2275fps with 1896 ft/lbs of energy is what it achieves at 200 yards.
Shot angle was broadside thru the boiler room, and the bullet was not recovered, as it left the far side creating an exit wound.
Ammunition = 165gr Fed Sierra Gameking BTSP.
Muzzle velocity = 2680fps average in area hunted with chronograpgh
E.C plotted with my ballistics program gave me the following callculations.
2275fps with 1896 ft/lbs of energy is what it achieves at 200 yards.
Shot angle was broadside thru the boiler room, and the bullet was not recovered, as it left the far side creating an exit wound.
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Hunting does allow for me to put my rifle of choice to the test, and put food in the freezer all at the same time.
Here's another using a 168gr BTHP. (BC = .405)
Target was a decent sized whitetail at exactly 425meters. (464.8 yards)..via my LRF
Rifle was my M1A.
Mount was a Bassett
Scope was a SWFA SS 10X with ARMS med rings.
Prone position off the top of an Alice Pack.
About 1869fps with 1303 ft lbs of energy at impact.
Below pic shows the exit wound
Here's another using a 168gr BTHP. (BC = .405)
Target was a decent sized whitetail at exactly 425meters. (464.8 yards)..via my LRF
Rifle was my M1A.
Mount was a Bassett
Scope was a SWFA SS 10X with ARMS med rings.
Prone position off the top of an Alice Pack.
About 1869fps with 1303 ft lbs of energy at impact.
Below pic shows the exit wound
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You bring up a point I had not talked about yet.
I think a GPR, if it has optics, needs to have a reticle that allows for range estimation.
SWFA has a nice reticle using the milliradian system, I'm sold on them but always like to hear other opinions...
Thoughts?
I think a GPR, if it has optics, needs to have a reticle that allows for range estimation.
SWFA has a nice reticle using the milliradian system, I'm sold on them but always like to hear other opinions...
Thoughts?
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