If gun control were up to you!

[GregoryTech]

I Would

I'd make the rules identical for those of any other tool, including bats, hammers, screwdrivers, and scisors; and the punishments for using it in the commission of a crime the same as for using any of the other listed tools as a weapon. A firearm criminally used is no more evil than a screwdriver criminally used.

Too many of us have fallen for the hype. They're just guns people. Seriously, think about it. They are just guns. Tools. Metal and plastic. When violently used, they are no more and no less evil than a violently used dinner fork.

 

[OF]

Exactly. I don't understand the whole 'Project Exile' fascination...except in the light of the gun grabbers looking for another way to demonize firearms. I especially don't get it when it's gun owners and '2nd Amendment Supporters' touting that type of system. Is someone raped at gunpoint somehow more raped than if it had been knifepoint?

Legislation that asks for increased penalties for gun use as opposed to any other tool is anti-2nd Amendment and anti-freedom. Therefore it's anti-American.

- Gabe

 

[mercedesrules]

(Ian) mercedesrules - To play devil's advocate here, he never said it was job, per se, just that you had the authority to decide these laws.

Oh, you mean like a king, wizard, Harry Potter, or something? Well, then , "what you said", smartypants!

I am against all gun control, period. We covered this in another recent thread.

MR

 

[tyme]

Registration/licensing sounds like a great idea to ensure that violent criminals are deterred from having/carrying firearms. Unfortunately it isn't.

The State cannot enforce those laws strictly enough to cut crime unless LEOs presume that people are carrying a restricted weapon and are guilty of a violation/infraction until they produce their papers or allow a pat-down.

If they're so dangerous (either the people or the tools), lock them all up, and we'll go from there.

 

[Combat-wombat]

I'm with Marko.

 

[Matt1911]

If I were king.....

"All persons are required to equipt them selves in a fitting fashion as to protect themselves AND others from violent crimmal behavoir"

 

[Moparmike]

"All persons are required to equipt them selves in a fitting fashion as to protect themselves AND others from violent crimmal behavoir"

I am assuming that the '21' laws will be repealed? What about the people who cant afford a pistol? I cant afford even a makarov now with my current budget. I am not trying to be a troll, but I am merely asking about the proposed requirement's details.

Thanks,

 

[WAGCEVP]

ditto, Mokeyleg, gun control places blame on an lifeless inanimate object, it's all ready illegal to kill, rape steal,rob, murder, etc ad nauseum re: of the TOOL used.
if you do the crime you do the time, if you kill, you die!

 

[Byron Quick]

I'm with Marko...as usual.

 

[Jesse H]

Diesle said:

- You must be an American Citizen to legally own or CCW

I'd like to respectfully disagree. Before my family or I were naturalized 2 yrs ago, we all paid taxes and were just as, if not more patriotic than our neighbors. We were good members of the community, etc. I was a permanent resident for 23 years before the naturalization process finally went through.

So for 23 years I should be unarmed? Self defense is more than a constitutional right, but IMO, a God given right.

 

[jade]

if you defend yourself or others (regardless if you know them or not), whether you are on your property or not, you CANNOT be sued by the badguy or badguy's family for damages, medical bills, etc. if you are attacked, you have the right to defend yourself or others without fear of ANY legal action.

 

[twoblink]

Or we can forget the National CCW.. and just go Vermont style CCW nation wide

 

[Zedicus]

Hmm....Let's see....

• No Restrictions on Ownership Except for a Minimum age for Unsupervised Shooting (Say around 16).
• No Restrictions on How much ammo You can Own/Horde.
• Compulsary Low Cost (if not free) Millitary Level Fireams Dissapline and Safety Training To be taught in school(to minimise the fearfull,paranoid loons and accedents).
• No Parole & or Double Time if you use ANY weapon in ANY Crime.
• Psycos that would go on a Killing Spree Shal be Removed from the Gene Pool.
• Basic Safety Training for Visitors from Contrys where Firearms are Illegal (to prevent people from freaking at the sight of a gun).
• Self Defence/Defence of Others/Innocents with Lethal Force Allowed and non Punishable.
• No Indevidual State, County, District, Town or Building Spacific Laws that Differ or Infringe uppon National Firarms Rights/Laws.

That's about all I can think of right now....

90% of what I've listed is Based on 3 Major things that much of the world likes to forget about.
1: Safety, If People aren't affraid of guns and know how to act/react around them there will be fewer related incedents and fewer accedents if people know how to properly handle them from a young age.
Give the People the Proper Knowlege/Training and you will Kill any Fear and Paranoia.
2: Reducing Crime, It has been proven countless times that known areas of armed citizens deter crime better than any police force or army could.
Criminals are inherintly more concerned about ther own backside than risking there necks over a tv/vcr...(except some deranged psyco drug addicts.)
3: Stratigy, Who made a major part of the US war for independance a sucess? Answer = Joe Bloggs Down the road & his rifle.
IE: Well armed citizens are better than any army for homeland defence.
Why? they know the area, were to hide, how to get paces unseen/heard plus there is a LOT more of them.

 

[antgriff]

This is only a few ideas that would have to be instated.

1. EVERYONE that goes to schools in this country will have to attend, NO EXCEPTIONS, a year long firearms safety/tactical operation class (depending on what grade), from grade 2 to 12 and every college must require firearm safety and training classes as prerequisites for graduating college. (THIS SHOULD DRASTICALLY CUT THE ACCIDENTAL SHOOTINGS THAT HAPPEN BECAUSE OF CARELESSNESS AND STUPIDITY.)

2. Every law abiding citizen will be encouraged to carry concealed. There would be NO OFF-LIMITS FOR CARRYING. (THIS WILL REDUCE THE CRIME RATE.)

3. I fully believe in the "AN EYE FOR AN EYE," theory. So anyone committing a violent crime will be punished equal to the crime if not more harsh. There would be little to no need for prisons. For crimes of murder, there would be NO FORGIVENESS. The criminal dies, PERIOD. (THIS WILL REDUCE THE CRIME RATE AND RELIEVE THE TAXES LAW ABIDING CITIZENS PAY TO ALLOW CRIMINALS TO LIVE.)

4. The will be a task force in stated in every city, who's sole purpose is to eradicate GANGS of any size or type (including any terrorist cells, foreign or domestic) that pose physical harm to society. This group will have full rights to kill on sight. They will be held fully accountable for their actions at all times, because this group will be under surveillance at all times to insure no wrongful killings. These groups of people will have their identities fully protected. (THIS WILL WEED OUT THE OTHER TRASH THAT PLAGUES OUR COUNTRY.)

 

[thedpp]

I would eliminate any law that is against the 2nd that is all

 

[Liberal Gun Nut]

I'm fine with our current structure. I would, however, remove non-crew-served machine guns (ie, M16s, subguns) from the NFA and make them transferable by simple NICS check, like anything else. Oh I would also get rid of any reference to "sporting use", and would lift the various import prohibitions. I would also want shall-issue CCW in every state, and national reciprocity. And finally, there should be some more reasonable system for felons to restore their rights. Someone who got busted for being non-violent stupid 25 years ago, and has lead an unblemished life since then, should be able to get his rights back.

 

[Ratzinger_p38]

If I were in charge...hm.

1. The NFA would exist only for crew served/armor/anti tank guns. There are tanks and such on the list now. Removal for all small arms such M16s.
2. The CMP would sell surplus arms after a few years of being obsolete (say on their 25th year of service or something) (so liberals wont be up in arms that joe redneck has the latest m4 carbine at the same time as the army). So Vietnam era-M16s and M14s are for sale.
3. Mandatory gun training in schools (such as Vermont and a few other states have)
4. Dismantling of the ATF, except for the import/ffl guys, and sending all enforcement personal into their LEAs.(as lots of them could use the personel)
5. Loss of your 2nd amd. rights ONLY if you commit a violent felony, commit a crime while using a gun, have been commited in a loony bin. (this will catch me some flak) those are REPEAT domestic violence offenders (maybe a 3 strikes and youre out rule), have been caught illegally in the country, and temporary loss of rights if you are under a current order of protection for stalking.
6. The various unorganzied state militias are back under the command of the governor, with a sort of revival of the swiss style system (basically more like a weekend training camp for those who wish to do it, less picky than the 'national guard') - I am not comfortable at the current time with every man in the country having a gun, people are stupid and would ruin it really quick.


And in a perfect world (not totally serious)

sanctions against any nation that doesnt respect the right to bear arms (guess we're isolationist now then )

 

[mike101]

No gun laws, PERIOD

"............the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be INFRINGED".

Although I was a little kid at the time, I remember what life was like before the assasinations in the '60s, when there was virtually no gun control. As I recall, people were not mowing eachother down in the streets. I'm not sure, but I would be willing to bet that ther was less violent crime, per capita, back then.

 

[1911 guy]

My purchase questionaire.

You over eighteen?
You're not spending grocery money on this, are you?
You realize that everybody else has one, too? You try to hurt someone they might stop you.
Do you know that committing a crime with this means going up the river for a very long time?
This check is good, right?

 

[ScotZ]

I would have mandatory gun safety and marksmanship taught in our public schools. All children would be taught the laws and have extremely severe consequenses for using a gun to commit a crime. Everyhome would have a gun (similar to Switzerland). After about 20 years of this. I think this country would be straightened out.

 

[Reddbecca]

Lemme get back to you on this one. I've got a list somewhere...

 

[gego]

No law regulating, limiting, taxing, restricting buying, selling, owning, carrying any weapon that the government has or could have except for nukes and biological weapons. If you can afford it, you can have it.

I would impose the death penalty for any elected or appointed government official proposing, voting for, or in any way attempting to infringe this right to be carried out by public hanging within one month of conviction (show it on tv).

Normal punishment for acts of aggression against others would apply, whether or not a weapon was involved.

 

[Diesel man]

I would make 18 the universal age to get a ccw and all weapons up to guided missiles.Anyone under 18 but 16 or 17 can buy any rifle or shotgun and can open carry the rifles and shotguns even pistol with parents permission but dont need parent permission to buy guns.
Anyone under 16 can own guns with parental permission and can take basic gun safety and training classes in school to be elgible for a year of free ammunition for all their guns they also need parent permission to buy guns.

All gun control laws removed and limited to just these ones above.
Background checks are instant and you can leave with any gun you bought the same day.The only way you cant have a gun is if you are a violent felon or a lunatic.Anyone who is a non violent felon will have all their second amendment rights restored once they are released from prison.Anyone who was imprisoned for gun violations such as breaking NFA laws or any thing like that will be immediately released and be free and have all rights restored.
Self-defense applies to property,life,and any one who commits a violent crime.
Anyone who commits first degree murder automatically will be hanged on a rope if there is enough evidence and testimonies that that person who did it.

Anyone who commits a violent crime will be put in life of hard labor and have all their rights removed and must work only for the benefit of helping the communities otherwise he will be put in solitary confinement for the rest of his life and wont get any benefits.

Anyone who commits second degree murder will be put in prison for 20 years depending on the severity of his actions once he has served his time he will be on probation for 10 years if he is good for the 10 years he will have all his second amendment rights restored.

Anyone who commits a third degree murder will serve 1-5 years in prison depending on the severity of their actions and will have 6 months of probation after they served their prison time and if they behave they will have all of their second amendment and all other rights restored.

Anyone who commits manslaughter will serve 3 months in jail and have 3 months of probation and if they are good have all of their second amendment and other rights restored.

Other than all of that everyone will be able to buy any gun they want regardless if they are permanent resident or a full fledged citizen of USA.

 

[ksnecktieman]

This thread has some drift to it. As far as gun laws go we should enforce this one, "the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be INFRINGED". And that makes all others null and void. Federal, state, city, The founding fathers really did mean what they said.

Since we drifted, I do think that every public school, at every grade level should have a "firearm familiarity and competency" class. possibly five hours per semester. Maybe nothing more than an "Eddie Eagle" class for the extremely young.

For you guys that want free ammo with a gun purchase, do you understand TANSTAAFL? Do you want the price of every gun sold to be raised by 250 dollars? Are you suggesting a tax payer supported program? SOMEONE has to pay for that ammo.

 

[ServiceSoon]

Background checks would be the only thing I would like to enforce. It makes perfect sense to prevent criminals from obtaining guns. No information would be collected during these checks.