If it ever comes to confiscation...

[p2000sk]

If...
that's some dark thoughts.
How about some new magazines to smooth this over?
Maybe some "double buying" of other expendables too.

 

[45Badger]

Don't listen to these clowns. Door to door confiscations are a LOT closer than you think. There is a secret memo floatnig around DC that if Hillary is elected, ALL US troops will be pulled from Iraq immediately and brought back here under UN command for the express purpose of confiscating ALL civillian-owned firearms. They are looking to start this in early April of '09.

The mainstream media is part of the plan and will not disclose any knowledge or report on the existence of this memo. A guy at the gun range where I shoot has a cousin in the CIA in DC who told him about this. He has always been a straight-up guy and has no reason to lie about this, so I believe him.

I'm in the process of building a bunker in the woods behind my house and am stockpiling food, water and ammunition for the planned battle. This is gonna be the big one for sure. If you want to come to PA and take a stand with me, let me know. The bunker should be plenty big enough for another 3 or 4 people.

WOLVERINES!!!!

Too funny!

I smell "Operation Chaos".............

 

[Treo]

I wonder how much impact would be made if everyone that was participating in this thread wrote a letter to John McCain expressing their concern about the gun confiscations happening right now at Cavalry Arms?

 

[Nightwing]

HAven't seen this yet. I'm amazed nobody's posted it yet!!!

Don't be worried about your guns. Be worried about ammo. If you're that worried, stock up or buy reloading equipment.

 

[TexasRifleman]

There is a secret memo floatnig around DC that if Hillary is elected, ALL US troops will be pulled from Iraq immediately and brought back here under UN command for the express purpose of confiscating ALL civillian-owned firearms. They are looking to start this in early April of '09.

Doesn't matter, the world is ending in August anyway.

If we're gonna go all conspiracy theorist we gotta go all the way......

“Will the world end later this year? In mid-August, in a chamber deep underneath the Swiss-French border, physicists will switch on a machine that might produce the first man-made black holes. Normally only found in outer space, these high-gravity objects have a reputation for devouring all matter in their vicinity — and they only stop when the food runs out. Could the Earth's first black hole also end up being its last, after it sucks in the chamber, the physicists, and the entire planet?”

http://www.fourwinds10.com/siterun_data/science_technology/new_technologies_and_inventions/news.php?q=1208745351

Now back to reality. The reality is that Creeping Incrementalism is the real danger. A city ordinance here, a state law there, eventually it just goes away.

There is no NEED of throwing some confiscation light switch when it's slowly eroding anyway.

The real work is to make sure those creeping changes stop and even reverse. We are right on the edge of that I believe and in a pretty good position to make it go our way. Work on that and leave the aliens and world ending to others. There's plenty of them

 

[vito]

Mass confiscation is more than highly unlikely. But gradual confiscation is a real threat. If a law were passed that anyone with a certain level of misdeameanor conviction could no longer own a gun, most gun owners would shrug and think, "I've never been convicted of anything, so I don't have to worry". If anyone who has an ex-spouse of girlfriend seek a restraining order, and if this were a basis for losing the right to own a gun, most gun owners would shrug and say, "I've never had a restraining order against me, so I don't have to worry". When the government then passes a law that says people with really poor vision are too great a risk to allow to own firearms, or those who have a relative in the home with any mental or emotional illness, or those who don't have a steel safe for gun storage, etc., etc, ... well, you can see where I am going. Many of these reasons are already on the books of some states as reasons to restrict firearm ownership, and some of these reasons are working their way into law (at least here in Illinois). This is the way we will lose our gun rights, and since it will happen incrementally, there will be no uprising of the population, no hue and cry from the citizenry, only meek submission to avoid being arrested and incarcerated one by one. Then one day we wake up and find we are in the same boat with the British; unarmed and even prohibited from defending ourselves, and totally dependent upon the government to protect us. I'm a veteran, a 2nd Amendment supporter, and I'm getting old. My own grown children (at least some of them) would likely think that such gradual confiscation is a good thing, being victims of the liberal pro-government mentality. I have a pro-gun Congressman, and pro-gun State Senator and State Representative, but none of them have any power in a Democrat controlled liberal U.S. House of Representatives and Democrat controlled State legislature. I'll keep up the good fight, but fear it will be for naught.

 

[ctdonath]

what would consider "the tipping point"?

"Is it time yet, Claire?"

Good question, and I finally found a good answer recently:

When you step out your front door with rifle in hand, and you see your neighbors doing the same, it's time.

 

[neviander]

mass confiscation as a state or federal general policy is massively unlikely in our lifetimes, and there will be plenty of obvious warning before then.

What if a nuke goes off in downtown N.Y, or D.C. or Houston, or L.A., or all of them at once? This is not an entirely out of the question scenario and if something like that happens, what would be the likelihood of Uncle Sam getting nervous and trying to take all but pitchforks and torches away from the pleebs?

As I often remind people, truth is stranger than fiction.

Our government continues to overstep it's bounds more and more everyday. If we don't face some sort of devastating loss from a terrorist attack, then yeah, I seriously doubt any moron, even liberal moron, will try a gun grab legislatively any time soon.

 

[yokel]

I would submit that the infringements have already become definite and systematic.

All those who still evince an awed deference towards the halo of omnipotence and invincibility of their government, and are truly dumbfounded by the fear of it's retaliation, ought to seriously consider contacting their nearest police station forthwith to arrange for a voluntary surrender of arms.

 

[ConstitutionCowboy]

"Knowing the past, I'll not surrender any arms and march less prepared into the future." B.E.Wood

What if a nuke goes off in downtown N.Y, or D.C. or Houston, or L.A., or all of them at once? This is not an entirely out of the question scenario and if something like that happens, what would be the likelihood of Uncle Sam getting nervous and trying to take all but pitchforks and torches away from the pleebs?

The likelihood is demonstrably high. New Orleans comes to mind. I would consider such an act by those in power to be an act of aiding and abetting our enemy by stripping us of the means to repel an invasion - a treasonous act. Since there is no court in this land over such people to stop such an act - not punish the perpetrators later, mind you, but STOP such an act, it would be up to we the people to stop it with more prejudice than would be used against us to disarm us.

Any such act by our own people in our government would be more dastardly than any act of our attackers.

Woody

Our government was designed by our Founding Fathers to fit within the framework of our rights and not vise versa. Any other "interpretation" of the Constitution is either through ignorance or is deliberately subversive. B.E. Wood

 

[Just Jim]

The constant test of what will Americans do if government tries to take away the guns is in history.

NewYork has strict gun control and still there are alot of guns used in crime. Same with DC and Chicago.

They assualted a compound in Waco Texas over guns and killed 80 men women and childeren. They grabed the guns of people in NO who were trying to defend themselves.

The future will be decided by the Supreme Court this summer. If they say people can own guns then you will be able to untill those in the court are changed into liberals.

If the court says no then look for a wave of repression that will last for years.

jj

 

[The Tourist]

no...then look for a wave of repression

I don't believe that. Look at how many decades we have had the abortion issue.

Now, I want you to read what I am about to say carefully. Too many people either read what they want, or try to re-define a postulate by twisting it.

No matter what this nation decides on the gun issue, America has lost the fire-in-the-belly to actually close the deal.

Look at our rallying cry for adventurism--"No more Vietnams!" Then look where our military is. We swapped jungle for sand.

We've had Sullivan Acts, assault weapons laws, limits to magazine capacity, terry stops, the 1958 Switchblade Act, and the 1934 legislation on dangerous weapons (by definition.)

And yet, next to my morning latte' and my cell phone, I have three items that were illegal at one time or another in history. (That's a disclaimer for all of you legal-eagle nervous nellies.)

Why? Why am I not clapped in irons and tossed into the brig? I know every police officer within ten miles--some of them have been in my home--many of them are clients. My cutlery license not withstanding, I don't even bother to check my coffee table for anything when they come to the door.

There is a very good reason.

Is my high-cap magazine really going to turn the tide of crime? Is my Microtech going to make me seethe and eat human brains? Yikes, my plastic brass knuckles are a drink coaster for Pete's sake!

While it would break my heart to see my country torn apart (as father-against-son during the Vietnam war) I don't think Hillbama or any other liberal has the cajones to do anything but shake paper and talk tough.

 

[Big45]

Wow this one is still going? Kudos to whoever started this hour's confiscation thread...

 

[bogie]

Godwin! Someone used the "A" word!

The real work is to make sure those creeping changes stop and even reverse. We are right on the edge of that I believe and in a pretty good position to make it go our way.

What gets me is that a lot of "gunnies" don't seem to want to do grass-roots activism, which is probably the -most- effective method of saying large-scale public opinion.

 

[JWarren]

Bog,

Godwin! Someone used the "A" word!

For those of us that are idiots, could you please give us a quick run-down on what the "Godwin" reference is. I think I have an idea from other threads, but help me out here.

I don't like to make assumptions-- after all, we know what they makes me.


Thanks my friend!


-- John

 

[bogie]

Godwin's Law...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

Funny, I remember it as also including subject such as abortion...

At any rate...

 

[The Tourist]

Godwin's Law...

When it comes to laws and liberals, I think "Occam's Razor" is a better debating point.

I should also point out that this concept also surmises that "the most stupid and simple choice" is probably the one that will be chosen.

 

[Just Jim]

I don't think Hillbama or any other liberal has the cajones to do anything but shake paper and talk tough.

I wonder if the people in Waco thought the same thing when Bill and Hillary sent in their minions to murder them?? Let me add that the Constitution is paper and has been waved since the begining of this country but still city and state governments have made it illegal to have guns.

jj

 

[bogie]

At any rate, anti-gun organizations are shifting their tactics, and pro-gun folks seem to want to do things the way they always have.

We are very difficult, as a group, to educate.

 

[Rachen]

I don't think Hillbama or any other liberal has the cajones to do anything but shake paper and talk tough.

Never underestimate our enemies. Especially these two. Both of them are extremely power hungry, and would resort to doing ANYTHING to bring themselves into the highest level of the pyramid of American society. If it even means using violence and stomping on the Constitution to achieve their means, THEY WILL DO IT.

I am saying this because I live in an area that is filled with "liberals" who are extreme, almost fanatical about gaining power, and everything that comes with it. They can care less about another person's well being.
Politics in New York City are filled with fraud and lies. Meanwhile, the people are too engrossed in their entertainment and music and Myspace to notice anything.

Just visit Lower Manhattan, and you will get a sense of the predatory atmosphere there. Lots and lots of wealthy and powerful businessmen, corporation magnates, and politicians who support total gun control and UN domination. Also lots and lots of ego talk as well. More than once I heard these supposedly "educated" folk talk about how the "rednecks" of the inner country are not even human and their farmland have to be exploited and industrialized for the "economic good of the nation". On the IRT 4 express train. On the Broadway local R. On the Sea Beach Express N. More than once I have heard extremely insulting and violent ego talk. Especially that "redneck" conversation. If you were here to listen to it, you would find it extremely unnerving and frightening. And no tin-foil hat is needed to find the underlying roots of mass assimilation and totalitarianism here.

"We are the Borg. Lower your shields and surrender your ships now. You will be assimilated. Your technological and intellectual wealth will be incorporated to further empower our civilization. Resistance is futile". Get the point?

These people can care less if they bulldoze half the country away for their own economic gain. After all, they think that as long as THEY are not the ones suffering, they don't have to give a flying f*ck about anything.

All I can say is that if our wives and children are shivering with fright while they are waiting for the trucks that will transport them to the camps, there is no other choice left but to fight, bitterly. There is no such thing as a fair fight when survival of our loved ones and our beloved country is at stake. And guns are only just one type of tool. It is probably the most misused and misunderstood tool in human society. When the Chinese Communist Resistance engaged the Japanese imperialists, they used the raw power of the steel blade to such a terrifying effect, that the Japanese rather engage guerilla units armed with firearms than with units armed with the Da Dao (Chinese broadsword). My grand uncle, during the Battle of Pingxingguan in 1938, personally hacked 25 Japanese soldiers to death and captured 2 light squad machine guns and 4 chests filled with 7 mm ammunition.

And to anybody that may be looking at this thread and using it as an excuse to call us "crazy redneck right wing extremists" or what ever, let me say this. If your country, your home, and your loved ones are in danger, you will fight against that danger, that is, if you are real men. Otherwise, you would be just.......well.......foolish.
The Jews at Auschwitz, even when they were confronted with certain death, knew that it is better to die fighting rather than continuing to submit and be meekly herded into the gas chambers. instead, in the winter of 1944, they took up arms and obliterated many of their murderers. Just that sudden and unexpected resistance was enough to convince the SS to flee and leave behind all the undestroyed documents and records of the mass murder for the world to see.
After all, we are defending our nation's Constitution and our Bill Of Rights. More than 200 years ago, over 25,000 men lost their lives to give us these documents. And now, we have individuals who are willing to trash these documents and stomp all over them. It's too bad that we have the First Amendment. Because in an ideal United States of America, you["liberals" and celebrity trash and the like] would have been charged with first degree treason. If our Founding Fathers realized that the First Amendment would be used to defend scumbags such as gangsta rappers and porn pushers, there would have been no First Amendment at all, or it would have been worded differently.

 

[bogie]

I think the first objective should be to cut transportation routes to cities. See how they do without the flyover country people feeding them.

But hey, that's a last resort. Right now, folks should be engaging in LOCAL grass roots efforts. Like bothering stores that put up "No Guns" signs. That's local. It's simple. It's something that one person can do, or if you want help, you can ask at any of several internet forums for folks to contact corporate management, etc.

Just not at THR.

 

[rdhood]

Rdhood, what would consider "the tipping point"?

That's hard to say. I'd like to think I know it when I see it. I wouldn't give up my life because some mayor and his over zealous police force started confiscations for which they were subsequently reprimanded and sued out of existence. But, incrementalism might force one to fight at some innocuous point along the way.. the point at which no no longer see any possibility of an optimistic outcome. Each person will see that at a different point.

 

[The Tourist]

shake paper and talk tough...I wonder if the people in Waco

That's a very good example of my point.

The only thing Slick Willie did with his testicles, besides show Monica his cigar collection, was beat up on a few dozen housewives, and even that took him 51 days. And when the bodies started to pile up, he shoved the blame off on the only one of his staff who didn't officially have any testoterone, Janet Reno.

And by "paper" I mean anti-gun legislation. Was any one saved by the high-cap restrictions or "assault rifle" commotion? Diane Feinstein couldn't even point out changes she made on ARs when one was handed to her on camera.

As I've told you, my Dad called these guys "rough, tough cream puffs." Hillbama cannot even contain his minister. What's he going to do with veterans, working cowboys, the NRA, and tens of thousands of bikers?

Can you outline a "dirty trick" style piece of legislation spearheaded by a hostile liberal body of lawmakers that would change the manner in which we live by one iota? I mean, beside harsh language telling everyone I'm a bad boy.

 

[Rachen]

That's a very good example of my point.

The only thing Slick Willie did with his testicles, besides show Monica his cigar collection, was beat up on a few dozen housewives, and even that took him 51 days. And when the bodies started to pile up, he shoved the blame off on the only one of his staff who didn't officially have any testoterone, Janet Reno.

The Clintonistas committed multiple human rights violations during their rule, and it is not just Waco we are talking about here, of course, Waco was the most serious of the crimes against humanity committed by the Clintonistas. In 1996, Bill Clinton paroled 16 EXTREMELY DANGEROUS FEDERAL PRISONERS AT THE SAME TIME HE WAS AT A RALLY IN D.C. PUSHING FOR MORE GUN CONTROL. These prisoners range from hard core drug thugs and murderers to child rapists and psychopathic killers. They were all sentenced to either life in prison or the death penalty. Indeed, some of them were ALREADY on death row when their untimely paroles were signed by the treasonous Clinton.
And because of a simple flick of a pen, 16 armed, dangerous, and extremely violent repeat offenders are back out on the streets.

 

[The Tourist]

Rachen,

I did not know about those issues, and thank you for highlighting them.

But as for laws which have a true, palpable impact on our lives, have you ever really been hampered by liberal legislation?

During the "high cap" fiasco, I bought all of the magazines I wanted. Even AK 30-round magazines were sold in my area for about nine dollars. I think the most I ever, ever paid for a high-cap was 35 bucks to get another SW magazine direct from the factory.

In fact, my current AR was built during that period.

With liberals, they pass a law, it fails, they pass another law, it fails...

By the best guess we have 22,000 gun laws on the books, and if the Bloods and the Crips wanted to duke it this afternoon with fully automatic weapons they would order them by cell-phone.

In fact, when I want a new rifle, I tell my wife to hold dinner for twenty minutes, I run down to The Ammo Box and buy what I want. I never think of Hillbama, or Chuckie Schumer, or Diane Feinstein...

The only real challenge to this is sending the Army. American against American. Frankly, I'm getting tired of their meaningless ranting.