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  1. old lady new shooter

    old lady new shooter Member

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    Not only recreational users, but even users of medical marijuana in states where that is legal, are prohibited persons.
     
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  2. Davek1977

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    LOL..... oh, how that word is subjective. Many not in the know apply it to any semi-auto weapon capable of accepting large magazines....you know...kind of like a 10/22, which has been say...thousands of people's first gun over the years. Would you have cringed as much had it been a blued and hardwoood 10/22? You also claim you don't own a .50 cal because "there's no reason to". I think you have that wrong....YOU have no use for one. That hardly means a use doesn't exist. There's lot of things I dont have a need for that I have absolutely no problem with ayone else having :)
     
  3. Tirod

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    OP wrote a rant based on living with 50% of the people around him on drugs. Sees similar behavior at a gun store, goes to the internet, and the resulting discussion solves nothing other than to air prejudices.

    How people act in retail stores and the store clerk's decision to sell them something are two different things. You can't stop people being rude and arrogant - I will say it again, IT'S NORMAL. HAPPENS ALL THE TIME NOW IN PUBLIC SOCIETY.

    Whether anyone around them likes it or not, tough. They don't care. They are insensitive to someone picking up cues that might or might not lead to assessments of character or a lack of it. Brusque, rude, and even belligerent behavior is NORMAL now and the #1 reason why it's getting harder to keep retail help.

    Ask me how I know. The common denominator is that the individual who does this is usually a person with a high degree of unfamiliarity - outright ignorance - about the subject that store deals in. They go overboard to display an image of being competent when in fact they are only giving cues about what little they do know.

    I will say that happens a lot on the internet, too.

    How somebody acts or looks these days is a matter of diversity - people dress and act as they please, with NO regard for how I, or you, or anyone else likes it. There is no common denominator that says we are all in this together any more. We live in a society of fragmented niches which make no effort to relate to each other.

    Try discussing what kind of dress people should wear going to church near the beach sometime. Exciting exchange of views. No level playing field there.

    What I am reading about comments saying someone looks like they just crawled out of a basement to appear in public might well apply to those who apparently have never seen the general public or interacted with them. I can only conclude that someone is living an equally sheltered life absent contact with the general public and certainly not on a daily basis.

    Work retail and you learn you haven't seen it all, yet. There's always something new. From the wide variety of different nationalities, accents, and ethnic groups to every flavor of lifestyle you may not have wanted to discover, demonstrated in public. Some act out their new found identity to ensure you, the retail clerk, are made aware of their proclivity.

    Some loud guy and his son buying a firearm is tame in comparison. And going to the internet to stir up some kind of agreement is, too. Unfortunately, being a public forum and consisting of a large variety of different viewpoints, getting substantiation for an opinion isn't a guarantee.

    Insisting on it won't happen either.

    We can agree to disagree about the substance of what happened, vs what was presented as an opinion on it, and that's about it. Other than that I suspect the mods are spring loaded to close this as very little positive benefit is presented in the opening thread. It's just a rant about how somebody perceived human behavior.

    I suggested that it meant very little compared to the fact they drove a car to get there. Think about that the next time out on the roads of America and how we still tend to successfully interact to get to all our destinations. Even as different as we are.
     
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  4. salt&battery

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    there are way more drunks driving around then ones drugged up. most people do not care what others think of what they do loud Harleys are an example
     
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    Yes, I pointed out his omission, he got pissed to the point of trembling and turning red. Yes. I refused to sell him a firearm.
     
  6. tommy.duncan

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    Nope, not fired. The customer got pissed about 10a. He didn't get mouthy or say the standard, but I answered it here (10b). He got red faced, trembling pissed. The other sales clerks even came over to see if everything was alright.

    Sorry I did not feel that selling this gentleman a firearm was responsible. You are correct, you had to be there to see this guys response.
     
  7. Captcurt

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    It does sound like he had anger issues.
     
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    That was my thought.

    Like I posted you really had to see this guys response.
     
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  9. Axis II

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    I don't live around druggies i just worked with them for 5yrs and know a few people over the years that have problems but i separate myself from that real quick. unless one lives that lifestyle or a sheltered life you can tell when someone either has a few screws loose or is doped up. joking, then mad, loud, laughing, cursing all in the same sentence deems something's not right upstairs. the occasional **** or damn when you mess up paperwork's one thing but yelling the F word so loud it takes my attention away from a gun and then you follow that up with the mother word and then go i messed up my street name bwahahahahaha! at minimum i think another employee or manager should have been present to assess the situation and go from there.
     
  10. Axis II

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    same thing happened to me last night at a convienence store. Lady in line is all pissed cause its busy and the only thing she has in her had is beer and a candy bar. counter lady says to her just to let you know i cant give cash back i don't have enough. Drunk lady starts yelling at the cashier "did i ask you for cash back"!? Cashier-Mam i was just letting you know because a lot of people are asking for it. drunk lady-well i have 2 transactions, did i ask you for cash back!? there was no reason for you to tell me i cant have cash back because i didn't ask for it. cashier-mam i was just telling you to give you a heads up i apologize. drunk lady-well if i had cash in my hand why would you bring up cash back when i already have cash!?, do you see a plastic card in my hand!? cashier-apologies. drunk lady-i want to pay for the beer with this cash and the candy bar with other cash and i don't want a bag or a receipt. Cashier-tried handing her a receipt and she went off. I would have not sold her the beer cause it was 100% clear this broad was lit. but in this day and age everyone is sue happy and worried about hurting someones feelings so we just let people drive drunk, possibly go off the deep end and buy a gun and shoot someone out of road rage. Man, if that guy got that upset about the form imagine what would happen if someone cut him off on the road. you did the right thing.
     
  11. HexHead

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    It's easy. "Sorry, you've been denied."
     
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    This was about 10 years ago. I wasn't all that much into guns yet, I was a newbie. Didn't do much internet research, and i wish I had. Just been in that shop a few times before.
     
  13. HexHead

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    I can't imagine liberals being upset about not selling someone a gun. Especially since they think nobody should have one.
     
  14. Hanzo581

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    I wouldn't go this route. We had someone get approved but the sales guy suspected the guy was drunk so he denied the sale stating he was denied, the customer then asked for the information to follow up with the state police and figure out why. State police tells him nothing was wrong and he was good to go....now we had the guy asking why we lied to him. But this time he's back, sober. That was an uncomfortable conversation.
     
  15. RetiredUSNChief

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    Wow! There's a whole lot of "what if's" going on with respect to refusing a sale.

    If the signs aren't "right" for a sale, then simply REFUSE THE SALE. End of story.

    If we live our lives in constant fear of litigation then we'll get nowhere, except maybe hospitalization for ulcers and possibly an early grave.

    The plain fact of the matter is the anybody can sue anybody else for anything. Don't let that get to you.

    There are plenty of ways to fight a frivelous law suit, the most important of which probably being how you handle the scenario leading up to it in the first place.
     
  16. Old Dog

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    Dang, Chief -- normally, I'd agree with you -- (and quit introducing common sense into the thread) -- but denying someone a Constitutionally-protected right simply because their behavior (with no provable illicit substance use as a causative factor) doesn't live up to one's subjective standard is, as I noted, a slippery slope.

    While I, as previously stated, strenuously object to sharing the roadways with stoned/drunk drivers, or otherwise having to share space in public with same, we cannot deny people protected rights simply because we don't like the way they act in public.
     
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    If a dealer "suspects" someone is high or drunk then he should deny the sale. Isn't that the law? Now, suspecting and proving are 2 different things but I don't know any shop set up to offer a breathalyzer or blood test to prove anything. Also, if you deny someone their "right" to buy a firearm in your store, you aren't denying him his 2nd amendment right to own a gun, you just won't be the guy selling him one. The buyer can sober up and go elsewhere or buy private or whatever You didn't strip him of any right. He still has the right to own, just not from your store.
     
  18. salt&battery

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    yes you can fight a frivolous law suit by bankrupting your business even if you win. most of those suits are trumped up false charges and they always seem to win anyway
     
  19. Robert

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    After four pages this just does not appear to be going anywhere but around in circles let's call it a day.
     
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