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IL State Senators call gun owners "sex offenders" and "gang bangers!"

Discussion in 'Legal' started by Don Gwinn, Jun 1, 2005.

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  1. Don Gwinn

    Don Gwinn Moderator Emeritus

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    This has got me boiling. :fire:

    Notice also that fool Dillard, who thinks you can pay someone a compliment by saying "Well, she's no Annie Oakley, you know!"
    No sir, she certainly isn't, more's the pity. Annie Oakley is a legend, and I'd vote for her to replace your friend Radogno any day.

    Kwame Raoul's contact information


    Kirk Dillard's contact information


    Don Harmon's contact information
     
  2. Third_Rail

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    Well, she's sure not the defender of our rights either...

    Wait, she might take that as a compliment too.


    I have to say, if the same kind of derogatory terminology were used in any other debate, people would (pardon the phrase) be up in arms about it, calling "racist" and soforth. Why does what I choose to own make me so different that you think it's ok to call me names?
     
  3. armoredman

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    I am a correctional sergeant on a sex offender yard - I take HIGH offense at that comment! The very old saying was, "Them's fightin' words!" and is so true!
     
  4. dolanp

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    Illinois is climbing up there with CA and NY, soon it will be the ultimate anti-2A state.
     
  5. Reno

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    “SB 57 will require background checks when buying a firearm at a gun show and it will eliminate the state from keeping lists on law-abiding citizens.

    :scrutiny:
     
  6. Sindawe

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    Hmmmm...that strikes me as an example of compromise, something the gun-grabbers and their ilk are always saying that us "gun nuts" need to do. For the sake of <insert current cause here>.

    I guess its not so great to the antis when comes right down to it. Of course, we already knew that, did'nt we...
     
  7. dasmi

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    How do you resist the urge to pop them off one by one? Sex offenders are the lowest form of life known to human kind.
     
  8. ravinraven

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    Not quite the lowest form.

    "Sex offenders are the lowest form of life known to human kind."

    There is one lower life form. Anyone who brings false sex charges against a person is the absolute lowest...well...except for their lawyers. These types of animals should face the death sentence. Actually, if I had my way, I'd do a non-THR approved activity on them.

    rr
     
  9. thereisnospoon

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    Tin foil Hatter??????

    Is this person saying there is a current Database listing purchases of firearms???? I thought that only happened in the mind of us Tinfoil Hatters.... :scrutiny:

    I realize this represents a State list, BUT, once your on that list.... :scrutiny: There I go again.... :eek:

    I have a Brother-in-law who lives in Decatour...I went to visit after he had lived there > 2 years and he still could not find a public place for us to enjoy the shooting sports. Also, I would not be able to buy anything gun related because I didn't have a stupid FOID card(whatever that is).

    :banghead: :barf: :fire: :cuss:
     
  10. Jeff

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    Said Roskam in response to Raoul's asinine comment:

    How incredibly sad that this needed to be said to a State Senator. :rolleyes:
     
  11. Control Group

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    Brief OT comment (with apologies): that depends entirely on what sort of "sex offender" we're talking about. Remember, urinating in public is a "sex offense." Not to mention the not necessarily uncommon case of a guy I knew in college who had sex with his seventeen-year-old girlfriend when he was nineteeen. He cheated on her shortly thereafter, and she accused him of date rape as vengeance. His word against hers, he was convicted of the charge as well as one count of statutory rape (the two-year differential). He got 20 years.

    I won't make any claims that he's a paragon of virtue, or even very bright, but he's certainly not the lowest form of life known to man.

    Actual child molesters are, in fact, the lowest form of life known to man. But there are kind of a lot of "sex offenses" out there, and many of them are just cases of bad judgement, not evil.

    I'd guess that the majority (probably the vast majority) of people in a sex offender yard are real low lifes, but don't paint with too broad a brush.

    Sorry for the OT. Game on.
     
  12. Don Gwinn

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    Thereisnospoon, that would be Decatur. And yes, the Illinois State Police keep the records of each sale of a firearm in Illinois in a large, very illegal database. Last year there was a brief flurry of outrage when Governor Blagojevich announced that he knew the database violated federal law, but he was going to keep it anyway. However, that died down quickly.

    Roskam was trying to introduce a genuine compromise. The way he sees it, you and I know that the background check is already required for any purchase through any FFL, and you and I know that's not going away any time soon, at least in Illinois. But the antis claim to be very worked up over it for whatever reason.

    We, on the other hand, don't like having records kept on law-abiding people as if they were all criminals just waiting to bloom, so why not trade?

    Blago thinks he can do an amendatory veto and sign the portion that introduces background checks while vetoing the portion that does away with the illegal records database. The question is whether we can override that veto with a 3/5 vote. That's certainly entirely possible this year.

    But I hope we've now learned the larger lesson--antis who talk about compromise are LYING. They will NOT compromise. The way they see it, gun owners "have no rights which real Americans are bound to respect."
     
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    Antis compromise on anything in order to get camels' body into the tent. Compromise to them means they get what they want a little slower. Never compromise with them.
    As for sex offenders, there are sex offenders, and sexual predators. There are guys here on burglary charges who exposed themselves drunk at a football game, and got a sex score. Whoopie.
    Then there are the true scum, the predators, the one who gang rape women, and set them on fire, the one who hunt little children and leave thier broken bodies covered in dirt and dog dung. The ones who droll at the "Barney" show, and the children thereon. Professionalism sometimes is not just a word, it's an act of will.
     
  14. foghornl

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    I just thought my 2 US Senators (DeWine & Voinovich) were bad....Sounds like you guys 'n' gals in Illinois need a MAJOR "house-cleaning & throw 'em down the Capitol Steps" in your state legislature...

    Starting with Blago*** and working down....


    *** I have a name for this guy, passed along to me by my brother who used to work in Chikago when Blago was the US Rep...but the name is definetly "Low Road" {I'll pm it to you, if interested}

    Oh yeah, your legislature consists of sex offenders...they are collectively trying to [ahem] "be intimate" with you . . .
     
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    Well, now we know exactly what they think of us...

    :cuss:
     
  16. DRZinn

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    How about put them in a locked room with a sex offender, and give said offender carte blanche...
     
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    From the ISRA Website:



    From the Anti Dictionary:
    Compromise(n) coom-pro-mize: Getting our way by infringing on your rights.
     
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    A thread like this just always reminds me why I HATE the ACLU and liberals in general. Where Oh Where is the outrage. Where are all the liberals in all those city counsels passing rousing resolutions aganist this clearly government kept list on US citizens who have done no criminal activity except buy a firearm in a legal manner in accoradance with their rights under the 2nd amendment. My Gosh, just think the government MIGHT check out what you are reading at the library and that got their panties in a wad but to keep a list of citizens whom have bought firearms---------silence...........................................Hell they support it with screaming invective!!!!!!!!!!!! :cuss: :fire:
     
  19. PromptCritical

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    I recently talked to an ACLU chairman. He said the 2A is a source of some contention within the ACLU, so they take a neutral stand on it. This is backed up by this BS on their website:

    http://www.aclu.org/PolicePractices/PolicePractices.cfm?ID=9621&c=25

    My head just about turned inside out trying to unravel the contradictions and blatant hypocracy.

    I also politely informed him that I don't support the ACLU because they support and encourage NAMBLA, but do nothing to support the right that protects all the others.

    If you would like to ask him yourself, Here's his web page:
    http://www.lclark.edu/faculty/skaplan/
     
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    "A thread like this just always reminds me why I HATE the ACLU and liberals in general."

    What? You need to be reminded? For shame.

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  21. whm1974

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    Cases like these are too common. Statutory Rape law were not made up to protect underage females. They were made up to make sure young women were "moral" and virgins when they got married.

    -Bill
     
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