Illegal to buy a gun from a felon?

[Zundfolge]

Any position supporting allowing Convicted Felons to own guns ignores the recidivism rate in this country. An attorney who advocates the position stated above is part of the problem.

If there weren't felony crimes on the books that are not of a serious nature, not things that are clerly crimes or shouldn't be crimes in the first place then you might have a point (even then Jefferson said it best when he quoted Beccaria; "Laws that forbid the carrying of arms..disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed one." This applies to both straight gun control and laws against felons possessing arms.

Granted the law abiding ex-felon is put at a disadvantage. He is in this position because of what he did not what society has done. We don't allow the mentally ill to own firearms because of their instability. We don't allow ex-convicts to own firearms because of their history in crime.

Thats all nice in theory, but again there are many "crimes" that many law abiding people unknowingly commit on a daily basis that if seen by the law would make many many more decent people into "prohibited persons".

The blind belief that all law is just and all law breakers are evil pushes us a long way down the road to tyranny.

I guess all we need to do is sit around and wait until some smart antis figure out that all they have to do is make EVERY crime a felony and they'll get the gun control they desperately want. Many folk here will go along with it.

 

[bigfatdave]

Any position supporting allowing Convicted Felons to own guns ignores the recidivism rate in this country. An attorney who advocates the position stated above is part of the problem. Granted the law abiding ex-felon is put at a disadvantage. He is in this position because of what he did not what society has done. We don't allow the mentally ill to own firearms because of their instability. We don't allow ex-convicts to own firearms because of their history in crime.

YEAH!
only the benevolent overlords can decide who has GUNZ! Letting violent felons out isn't the problem, the citizens smirking at stupid laws is the problem!

 

[pharmer]

The background check is a recent invention. I had a friend who died a few years ago. Owned a dozen guns. When he found out he was on short time, he asked me to liquidate his collection. Moved them all to FFL's at a gun show in one afternoon, no sweat. He had purchased all of them on 4473's, so even with a felony, nothing illegal happened. Except for the original purchases according to current law. Joe

 

[NavyLCDR]

He had purchased all of them on 4473's, so even with a felony, nothing illegal happened. Except for the original purchases according to current law. Joe

Nothing illegal except for a continuing violation of 18 USC 922 (g), Federal law, during the time that your "friend" possessed the firearms, unless your "friend" had his rights restored:

§ 922. Unlawful acts
(g) It shall be unlawful for any person—
(1) who has been convicted in any court of, a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year;

to ship or transport in interstate or foreign commerce, or possess in or affecting commerce, any firearm or ammunition; or to receive any firearm or ammunition which has been shipped or transported in interstate or foreign commerce.

Just because the background check did not exist until the Brady law did not make it legal for a felon to possess firearms. A speed limit is still a speed limit regardless of if there is a radar gun or speedometer in your car.

 

[gearhead]

The laws prohibiting convicted felons and those convicted of DV from exercising their 2nd Amendment rights are relatively new. I have a major issue with the prohibition being applied retroactively, this is clearly a case of applying additional penalties after the fact.

 

[Mike1234567]

My "guess" is that, if you know of a convicted felon who possesses a firearm, regardless of a wrongful conviction (if not overturned), and you know federal law prohibits his/her possession of it and are aware this is a felonious act then a DA could charge you for not reporting said ownership, especially if you gain anything (a very low purchase price). The charge might be aiding and abetting a felon in a felonious act which, I believe, is also a felony. Again... I'm just guessing.

 

[zxcvbob]

It says possess, not own. If the felon's lawyer had any smarts at all he took temporary possession of the guns and held them for safekeeping or disposed of them at a consignment shop or distributed to family or whatever. Even if he didn't do this, a family member may have taken them. Let them be an agent for the sale.

 

[Zundfolge]

It says possess, not own. If the felon's lawyer had any smarts at all he took temporary possession of the guns and held them for safekeeping or disposed of them at a consignment shop or distributed to family or whatever. Even if he didn't do this, a family member may have taken them. Let them be an agent for the sale.

This is how convicted felon G Gordon Liddy owns guns. His wife is in possession of them.

 

[brickeyee]

So you're standing by the position that absolutely 100% of people arrested and convicted of felonies are irretrievably evil people that deserve to have their second amendment rights (among others) permanently revoked and their company should be avoided at all costs?

Damn straight, until they have proven themselves after they are freed.


And NOT all felonies result in loss of second amendment rights, there is a rather significant list of what are commonly called 'white collar' felonies that specifically do NOT have 2nd amendment repercussions.

 

[Harley Quinn]

This is how convicted felon G Gordon Liddy owns guns. His wife is in possession of them.

He has the ability to have them around him, because of wife... He does not own them

 

[Art Eatman]

Gone wandering away from the topic, looks like...