dogtown tom
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No idea. My guess is they turn it over to local LE.
Illegal to ship handgun to Florida?
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243winxb
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Its for all to read. Just posting current updated general info, thats less confusing then the AFT website.
Hope it helps.
Some background on this issue:
Both UPS and FedEx have announced changes in their policies about shipping firearms. They now require that firearms only be shipped by Federal Firearms License holders (FFLs), to other FFLs.
This new policy comes after letters were sent from a group of Democratic senators to a variety of shipping companies, including UPS and FedEx.
https://www.markey.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/shipping_companies_security_on_gun_shipments_letters.pdf
The letters were signed by Senators Edward Markey (D-Mass.), Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn.), Cory A. Booker (D-N.J.), Christopher S. Murphy (D-Conn.) and Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.).
In them they asked questions about shipping security and informed the companies of the following:
Under existing law, only licensed gun dealers and manufacturers — known as Federal Firearms Licenses (FFL) — can ship a firearm across state lines.
The problem is that it's not true. Existing law allows an non-licensee to ship interstate to a licensee or manufacturer.
May a nonlicensee ship a firearm by common or contract carrier?
A nonlicensee may ship a firearm by a common or contract carrier to a resident of his or her or her own state or to a licensee in any state.
[18 U.S.C. 922(a)(2)(A)] [emphasis added]
https://www.atf.gov/firearms/qa/may-nonlicensee-ship-firearm-common-or-contract-carrier
If these Senators think that making shipping a firearm more inconvenient and expensive will somehow reduce crime, then they should introduce legislation to change the law. If they can't get it passed, they should take the hint and let the matter drop, instead of strong-arming shipping companies to change their policies and lying about the law to do it.
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Since it has long been illegal for non-FFLs to mail a handgun, that leaves an interstate handgun buyer two options; hire an FFL in the seller's state to mail the handgun or use ShipMyGun. SMG has a pre-existing contract with UPS. Your receiving FFL has to be registered with them. Once that's done, the seller uses ShipMyGun to generate a UPS label to ship to your FFL. It's much cheaper and when you go to the UPS hub (not a UPS store) to ship, it's labeled and paid for and you simply hand the package to the clerk.
Gun Shipping - Fast, Legal, Affordable (shipmygun.com)
Worth looking into.
Both UPS and FedEx have announced changes in their policies about shipping firearms. They now require that firearms only be shipped by Federal Firearms License holders (FFLs), to other FFLs.
This new policy comes after letters were sent from a group of Democratic senators to a variety of shipping companies, including UPS and FedEx.
https://www.markey.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/shipping_companies_security_on_gun_shipments_letters.pdf
The letters were signed by Senators Edward Markey (D-Mass.), Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn.), Cory A. Booker (D-N.J.), Christopher S. Murphy (D-Conn.) and Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.).
In them they asked questions about shipping security and informed the companies of the following:
Under existing law, only licensed gun dealers and manufacturers — known as Federal Firearms Licenses (FFL) — can ship a firearm across state lines.
The problem is that it's not true. Existing law allows an non-licensee to ship interstate to a licensee or manufacturer.
May a nonlicensee ship a firearm by common or contract carrier?
A nonlicensee may ship a firearm by a common or contract carrier to a resident of his or her or her own state or to a licensee in any state.
[18 U.S.C. 922(a)(2)(A)] [emphasis added]
https://www.atf.gov/firearms/qa/may-nonlicensee-ship-firearm-common-or-contract-carrier
If these Senators think that making shipping a firearm more inconvenient and expensive will somehow reduce crime, then they should introduce legislation to change the law. If they can't get it passed, they should take the hint and let the matter drop, instead of strong-arming shipping companies to change their policies and lying about the law to do it.
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Since it has long been illegal for non-FFLs to mail a handgun, that leaves an interstate handgun buyer two options; hire an FFL in the seller's state to mail the handgun or use ShipMyGun. SMG has a pre-existing contract with UPS. Your receiving FFL has to be registered with them. Once that's done, the seller uses ShipMyGun to generate a UPS label to ship to your FFL. It's much cheaper and when you go to the UPS hub (not a UPS store) to ship, it's labeled and paid for and you simply hand the package to the clerk.
Gun Shipping - Fast, Legal, Affordable (shipmygun.com)
Worth looking into.
Yeah, could be. I wonder what they'd do with it then? It would vary I imagine. I mean, if the owner broke no laws, one would think it should at least be returned to him (though I'm not sure how they'd return it). Wonder if Fedex and UPS allow LE to ship guns?
Yeah? Then they can tell me that, instead of lying.
Difficulty? It ain't difficult. It's easy, but I'm not paying to ship it back. I'll sit on it.
Something going wrong? Like? No seller ID? No problem, again, I'll sit on it until the seller sends me a copy of their ID.
The reason many FFL's don't like to receive from nonlicensees is twofold, nonlicensees are more likely to ship me a gun without any information about the transferee or the seller.
As federal law requires me to record the identity of the person who shipped the gun, I require a copy of their drivers license to be enclosed with the firearm. Didn't include it? Then I won't transfer the gun to the buyer until I get it.
Second is not including any information whatsoever on the buyer. No name, no phone number and no dealer likes seeing "UPS Store #54321 as the return address on the box. That gun will sit until someone asks "where's my gun?" ......this is why buyers always need to tell their dealer about incoming transfers.
Finding a dealer in any state is darn easy. But shipping it back will be on your dime, not mine.
You would be surprised how many guns I get for a buyer who I've never spoken to, never met, he just picked me off GunBroker or off the sellers website.
The gun arrives and there's no info other than "For Edwin Weinstein" ......If by chance the seller included their info and I can call them to ask who is this person I get "Oh, he says he met you two years ago at a gun show" or "He said he knows you".
This was the reason the the mad Russian gave me for not wanting to take guns from non-FFLs. I'm okay with that. I bought a good bit of stuff from his shop over the years. He was an honest guy, and I bought some really beat up stuff- he would always tell me everything that was wrong with it.
It's quite possible, likely even, that they're not intentionally lying but rather just don't know but genuinely think that they do.
I don't have a lot of respect for hard headed idiots either.
This thread was enlightening. The OP question has been answered definitively. Mission accomplished.
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