il.bill
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I am afraid that you were very likely duped when you visited. He only pretended to be a 'government agent'.
Illinois FOID card to sell ammo
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wriggly
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You have said a lot there, and a good part of it is assumption. I have to tell you, I worked for the State of Illinois for a number of years in law enforcement, and you are mistaken that there is follow up regarding surrendering FOID cards upon conviction or even an admission to a mental health facility.
Thats the way it should work, but it doesn't always. If a felony conviction or an admission to a mental health facility takes place, NIC's checks will reflect this and a denial will ensue for a firearm sale at an FFL, but the police will not come round to your place to gather up your FOID card or your guns upon either of the aforementioned occurrences. You can be a convicted felon, and never serve time, and it would be up to your probation officer to do due dilligence about any firearms that were legally owned prior to the conviction. It almost never happens. So, you can be a convicted felon or mentally ill, and still have guns and a foid card in your possession (not legally) and a private seller would have no way of knowing this. Nor, would a retailer selling you ammo.
The second thing I would like to point out, is your assumption that everyone that lives in Chicago or the northern part of the state are somewhat lessor people than you folks downstate, fact of the matter is there are lots of us up here that hunt and own guns, and believe in the Bill of Rights.
Its just that we all disdain southern Illinoisians as gap toothed rednecks, and we all vote Democratic just to piss ya'll off.
And just so you realize, I am joking about the last part, I have nothing against downstaters, just wish it would extend back the other way.
^^ I can vouch for what he's saying.
When I had my FFL, I had a customer bring a rifle in on consignment. He had it priced too high, didn't sell. When he came to pick it back up a month later, I had to do a 4473 on him and enforce the 24 hour wait to transfer it back to him. He showed me his card, we did the paperwork, he took off. I called FTIP, ran it through, he was denied.
I told him about this, he said it "must be a mistake" and started getting very hostile / aggressive over the phone. I told him I couldn't transfer his gun back to him until he could get it sorted out, told him to call the state police.
(Now I'm in a sticky situation too, because legally it is STILL his rifle, but I can't give it BACK to him until he can pass a background check...)
Anyway, didn't hear from him for a week.
But I saw his name in the paper, he was indicted by a grand jury for felony child abuse.
Still had his gun card though.
When I had my FFL, I had a customer bring a rifle in on consignment. He had it priced too high, didn't sell. When he came to pick it back up a month later, I had to do a 4473 on him and enforce the 24 hour wait to transfer it back to him. He showed me his card, we did the paperwork, he took off. I called FTIP, ran it through, he was denied.
I told him about this, he said it "must be a mistake" and started getting very hostile / aggressive over the phone. I told him I couldn't transfer his gun back to him until he could get it sorted out, told him to call the state police.
(Now I'm in a sticky situation too, because legally it is STILL his rifle, but I can't give it BACK to him until he can pass a background check...)
Anyway, didn't hear from him for a week.
But I saw his name in the paper, he was indicted by a grand jury for felony child abuse.
Still had his gun card though.
stonecutter2
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You have said a lot there, and a good part of it is assumption. I have to tell you, I worked for the State of Illinois for a number of years in law enforcement, and you are mistaken that there is follow up regarding surrendering FOID cards upon conviction or even an admission to a mental health facility.
Thats the way it should work, but it doesn't always. If a felony conviction or an admission to a mental health facility takes place, NIC's checks will reflect this and a denial will ensue for a firearm sale at an FFL, but the police will not come round to your place to gather up your FOID card or your guns upon either of the aforementioned occurrences. You can be a convicted felon, and never serve time, and it would be up to your probation officer to do due dilligence about any firearms that were legally owned prior to the conviction. It almost never happens. So, you can be a convicted felon or mentally ill, and still have guns and a foid card in your possession (not legally) and a private seller would have no way of knowing this. Nor, would a retailer selling you ammo.
The second thing I would like to point out, is your assumption that everyone that lives in Chicago or the northern part of the state are somewhat lessor people than you folks downstate, fact of the matter is there are lots of us up here that hunt and own guns, and believe in the Bill of Rights.
Its just that we all disdain southern Illinoisians as gap toothed rednecks, and we all vote Democratic just to piss ya'll off.
And just so you realize, I am joking about the last part, I have nothing against downstaters, just wish it would extend back the other way.
I said that if someone has a FOID card, they went through a background check. I guess I did assume that people who commit felonies have to surrender their FOID cards...that surprises me to find out that this isn't well enforced, well not surprises me...disappoints me.
I never meant to insinuate that anyone in Northern Illinois is somehow a lessor person than those downstate. If that is how it seems I wrote stuff, I hope you'll accept my apologies. I have nothing against upstaters...I just can't understand why Chicago itself is voting the way that it has for so long on these issues. Nothing has improved, it's only gotten worse.
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