I'm a total newbie...needing advice.

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I've had a .45 cal kit built, cap and ball, Kentucky long rifle since the early 1980s. It was built by my uncle in the 70s. He was a machinist by trade and the rifle looks to be well made. It's in like new condition...never been fired...just hanging over a doorway. I want to take it out and shoot it.

While I have done my share of modern weapon shooting, I've never done any black powder shooting, I've looked at several Youtube videos and it looks like fun and doesn't seem too difficult. I have nothing but the rifle. What do I need to purchase to get started? Type of powder, etc,? What powder load should I start with? How do I know what size cap to use (#10 or #11)? And there's probably questions I done know enough to ask. Any help is appreciated...
 
You’ll Need some balls, and also some lead balls :). You say 45 caliper, but you may have to mic the width to see what size 45 balls to buy. The 3 most popular sizes are .451, .454, and .457. You’ll need some lubed patches. I use fffg goex black powder in mine, and I’ve never found cap sizes to make a difference. You’ll need a way to measure powder. I’d probably start with around 50 grains. Some real pros will likely be around to give more details. I’ve never found it to be rocket science. Really the best thing for you to do is go to a gun shop with the rifle and let them fix you up with what you need. And be sure to clean it good when you’re done because black powder is very corrosive and will ruin it quick if not cleaned right after.
 
You need to start reading and watching videos to absorb as much as info. as possible so that you will feel completely comfortable and confident with each step that you take on your journey into muzzle loading.

Start off by reading some sidelock muzzle loader owners manuals that will detail the basic loading procedures for you.

Here's the TC Hawken manual: --->>> https://www.tcarms.com/pdfs/uploads/manuals/Hawken_Manual.pdf
Here's another longer version of a TC sidelock manual: --->>> https://www.scribd.com/document/321169256/Shooting-TC-Side-Lock-Black-Powder-Guns
Here's the Traditions sidelock manual: --->>> https://www.traditionsfirearms.com/data/product_owner_manuals/CURRENT - FIT 7 Revised Final FINAL_1477335832.pdf

There are also other company manuals.

Here's a thread that lists videos about the basics of muzzle loading that are named Muzzle Loading 101: --->>> https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/black-powder-rifle-101.322119/
These are hidden in the sticky at the top of the black powder forum page titled "Black Powder Essentials", it's the 1st thread on this forum.

There's also many many how to videos on youtube, some of which are produced by individuals and some by companies such as Traditions.
They show how to load, clean and shoot a variety of different muzzle loaders all of which have something in common.
It doesn't hurt to expand the knowledge base so that you recognize how to load and shoot nearly every type of muzzle loader over time.
Such as how to clear a ball or projectile that gets stuck in the barrel in case you forget to load the powder, or the powder won't ignite.
There are many accessories that could add to the cost, some are more important than others.
All you need to do is to use the youtube searchbox and look up topics and gun models connected to muzzle loading, sidelocks, Kentucky muzzle loaders,, Thompson center Hawken, Traditions Kentucky rifle, percussion, flintlock etc...
Just keep using keywords from the manuals, and as more videos come up, you'll see which ones to watch.
Every model has videos, just go to the Traditions youtube channel or website and look at different models and then search for them on youtube., Deerhunter, Mountain rifle, Seneca, Renegade, Prairie rifle percussion black powder muzzle loader etc..
You'll see how easy it is to find loading and shooting videos once you go to youtube.

There's an author named Sam Fadala who wrote many introductory black powder handbooks prior to the internet that helped to start many folks into muzzle loading.
It helped me become familiar with enough of the details that I felt that I didn't really need anyone to help me with my first shots.
That's how well the right resource can prepare you.
But in this day and age it seems that the internet is more of a primary source of info. than the library or finding a Sam Fadala book.
Among the best of them is one named the Black Powder Handbook of which there were many editions over the years.
The book is available used for cheap money from eBay and Amazon, and he wrote other titles as well.
If you can buy or find one it would be a great primer.
Here's a used one for $11.50 with free shipping: --->>> https://www.ebay.com/i/293725338230?rt=nc&_trkparms=aid=1110006&algo=HOMESPLICE.SIM&ao=2&asc=20160908110712&meid=c89c0ecd0b534b6dae97c756245733c9&pid=100677&rk=7&rkt=30&mehot=none&sd=402329861897&itm=293725338230&pmt=0&noa=1&pg=2386202&algv=DefaultOrganic

I'm sure that you'll have more questions about equipment and stuff, but try to get some reading and videos about how to load under your belt as homework. ;)
 
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You’ll Need some balls, and also some lead balls :). You say 45 caliper, but you may have to mic the width to see what size 45 balls to buy. The 3 most popular sizes are .451, .454, and .457. You’ll need some lubed patches. I use fffg goex black powder in mine, and I’ve never found cap sizes to make a difference. You’ll need a way to measure powder. I’d probably start with around 50 grains. Some real pros will likely be around to give more details. I’ve never found it to be rocket science. Really the best thing for you to do is go to a gun shop with the rifle and let them fix you up with what you need. And be sure to clean it good when you’re done because black powder is very corrosive and will ruin it quick if not cleaned right after.

.451, .454, and .457 are not ball sizes for most .45 rifles to be used with patches.
Those are basically revolver balls.
The most popular ball sizes for .45 rifles are .440 and .445 to be used with a patch.
Some even use .433 which I wouldn't recommend to a newbie without a measurement.
He should realize that when he reads the sidelock manuals that have suggested loads for .45 rifles.
 
For starters, you need .44 cal. Balls for a .45 cal rifle. The patch material thickness makes up the difference. You need .45 cal balls for a .44 cal revolver. Crazy huh?

Mike
 
Yes, the basic starting load combination is a .440 round ball and a .015 lubed patch, sometimes a .010 lubed patch.
The patch number denotes it's thickness.
He can buy them pre-lubed and they're labeled.
If the ball is too large in diameter or if the patch is too thick then the ball can get stuck or be too difficult to ram down the bore without breaking the ramrod.

Revolvers have a different set of round balls for loading in them, because they don't use a patch and have different chamber diameters than a rifle bore.
There's loading tables in the back of the manuals.
 
I built one mine had a stripped drum I sealed the threads and kept the loads light. I shot .440 balls and .10 patches
 
AVOID Pyrodex like ebola. If at all possible shoot real black 3fg and if not available then 777. Pyrodex fouling is far harder and more corrosive than real black ever was.

Don't get caught up in chasing "power" by adding more and more powder. Start at about 45g and start working up in 5g increments looking for best accuracy. Avoid plastic sabots and stick with either patched round ball or conical first.
 
Go over to the NMLRA website and look up the Charter Clubs. There may be one near you. Contact them or one of the NMLRA state Field Reps to see if you can find someone in your area to get you started. Having competent hands on instruction is the safest, and best way I have found with folks new to black powder. It is nothing mystical, but there is a difference between shooting muzzleloaders and cartridge guns.

If you can find no one to help you, pm me your phone number and I will be glad to share what I know. I am not the world's greatest shot, but I have gone through about a hundred pounds of Goex since I started shooting black powder.
 
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The very shortest version I can come up with:

Typically, a .45 caliber rifle will use a pure lead round ball of .440" in diameter. Some guns might want something slightly different, and some shooters prefer a tighter or looser fit, but very generally speaking, .440" should work.

The way to be absolutely sure is to slug the bore. This involves pounding an oversized slug into the bore, retrieving it with a screw, and measuring it. This may not be something a new muzzleloading shooter wants to try, but if you do, I'm sure you could get good information here.

The round ball needs to be wrapped in a lubricated cloth patch for loading. There are a zillion opinions on how to do this. Probably the easiest way is to order lubricated "Wonder Patches" in size .45. They are available in several thicknesses so that the shooter can achieve the desired fit. This is another area with a zillion opinions. You probably would be fine with a medium thickness, .015" or so.

Some people like to use a wad between the powder and the patched ball. It is not necessary, but in some cases it can improve accuracy and ease cleaning. If you decide to, again it probably is easiest to order pre-lubed wads in .45 caliber.

Real blackpowder is probably your best bet. In a flintlock it is the only thing that works reliably. In your caplock the substitutes should work as well. The proper granulation is 2fg. Traditionally, a light load would be equivalent to the ball diameter (45 grains) and a max load would be double, 90 grains. These rules are essentially old wive's tales, but they do work, more or less. If you want, you could simply go for 60 grains or thereabouts and then give it no further thought.

You are the only one who can tell which caps are right. Chances are that #11s will work. CCI #11s seem to be slightly loose on a lot of guns, but if they are, giving them a little pinch causes no problems on a single shot gun.

Process:

Wipe the bore down with a patch. Fire a cap to clear the vent*. Measure powder into a measure and not directly from your horn/flask/can, and pour it down the barrel. Run a wad (if using one) down on top of the powder with a ramrod or loading rod. There is no need to tamp down hard or bounce the rod. Then center a patch over the muzzle. Place a ball on it. If it is a very tight fit you may need to use a short starter to get everything into the muzzle. Then use the ramrod or loading rod to push the ball down firmly onto the powder. Finally, cap the gun and fire.

After firing, some people will simply reload, as above, and keep going until fouling makes seating the ball too difficult. Other people like to run a brush and/or a lubed patch down the bore between each shot to ensure ease of loading and a consistent shot-to-shot bore environment.

After shooting is concluded the gun does need to be cleaned, hopefully within a few hours. I'm not going to open that Pandora's box here, but there is more than enough information available on the topic both here and on the internet in general.

Enjoy!

<edit> Shopping list:

In addition to the short starter and powder measure, consider these items.

If the gun does not have a ramrod, you will need one. If it has a wooden one you might want to get a steel loading rod. These are easier on the hands and a lot less likely to break. They are not an absolute necessity, though.

Chances are you will need some tools for the end of the rod.

A button jag is good for loading, and can be used to hold a patch for cleaning as well. In my experience they sometimes will drop the patch off at the breech, though, so I prefer to wrap patches around an undersized brass brush. If you do lose a patch, you'll want a worm attachment to fish it out. Note that ramrod accessories come in two common thread sizes, so you'll need to get that sorted before ordering.

Most shooters use a flask or horn to carry their powder. Some folks just use a spout which attaches directly to the powder can. It is generally considered unwise to pour directly from the can/flask into the bore, as at least theoretically a spark can linger in the breech and set off the whole can. You will definitely want a powder measure such as the one linked earlier.

I think that's it for a bare-bones experience. Most of us who get the bug will load ourselves down with all sorts of nonsense, but unless I've forgotten something, I think the above list will get you through your first outings.

*This really ought to be done at the range, with the rifle pointed at a safe target. Unless you have absolutely proven to yourself beyond doubt that the rifle is not loaded, well...
 
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Don't forget to buy a rifle nipple wrench for a percussion gun.
The nipple needs to be taken off for cleaning and for when you ram a ball but forgot to load the powder, which is called a dry ball.
A person would need to dribble a few grains of powder under the nipple, then cap it and fire the ball out of the barrel so that it doesn't remain stuck in the bore.
 
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I've had a .45 cal kit built, cap and ball, Kentucky long rifle since the early 1980s. It was built by my uncle in the 70s. He was a machinist by trade and the rifle looks to be well made. It's in like new condition...never been fired...just hanging over a doorway. I want to take it out and shoot it.

While I have done my share of modern weapon shooting, I've never done any black powder shooting, I've looked at several Youtube videos and it looks like fun and doesn't seem too difficult. I have nothing but the rifle. What do I need to purchase to get started? Type of powder, etc,? What powder load should I start with? How do I know what size cap to use (#10 or #11)? And there's probably questions I done know enough to ask. Any help is appreciated...


Well...I got some basic supplies and went out to the wash this morning. AWESOME!!! I'm hooked. Thanks for the help guys.
 
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