I'm so angry I can't think.

[Funderb]

The obvious solution is written on the bottom of a fifth of Jack Daniels.

You win some, and then there are the other people you ignore.

 

[The Unknown User]

$20 says that once she crosses over to the "not friends" stage, she will use every last thing she knows about you and your support of the 2A to publicly try to intimidate and humiliate you on facebook, maybe even going so far as to make a false report about you to school officials assuming you two go to the same school. "I know he is into guns and wants to bring guns on campus Mr. Dean of Students. I just thought you should know."

I was actually getting paranoid that she'd do something like that.

But, I have a few things in my favor: I have no criminal record, I have a clean driving record, and if campus police ever pulls me aside, I won't have any contraband on me.

Sure, she could cause me some problems, but nothing that would scar me for life, right?

 

[.cheese.]

I was actually getting paranoid that she'd do something like that.

But, I have a few things in my favor: I have no criminal record, I have a clean driving record, and if campus police ever pulls me aside, I won't have any contraband on me.

Wonderful. Then ultimately if it comes to that, you'll likely be let off the hook. I still wouldn't push it with that girl though. No offense.

Sure, she could cause me some problems, but nothing that would scar me for life, right?

For life? Probably not. You'd be amazed however, at the amount of damage a manipulative young woman is capable of. Psychological, emotional, or otherwise.

I speak from experience. That's one crazy train I disembarked from a few years ago. It still haunts me in my dreams. (no joke)

 

[Gary Frost]

Go th the lie in and walk around with a sign that says I was armed, I didn't die.

 

[cassandrasdaddy]

if it makes you this mad she must be cute. wait till you get married someday and look upon this deal as a "good day"

 

[vynx]

Try explaing to her that inanimate objects aren't the problem a person can kill with a hammer after all...the problem is mental and cultural and maybe if these people who kill had some kind of mental health treatment (I know some have but obviously not enough) at an early enough age and it was available until they were better maybe that would be a better solution.

I think you cannot reason with this kind of person but maybe you can steer them in another direction - she obviously needs a "cause" in her life.

Try to make that cause "early intervention", "birth to age 5 programs" ,"pre-school", "at risk youth" or any kind of menytal health program - something that will keep her illogical mind busy.

I've actually been successful in explaining the problem is not the gun it is the person - would you feel save with this person carrying a hammer or steak knife on campus? No, then solve the problem which is this person has a mental health problem.

 

[The Unknown User]

Wonderful. Then ultimately if it comes to that, you'll likely be let off the hook. I still wouldn't push it with that girl though. No offense.

No offense taken. I'm going to back off for now.

I basically told her I support her right to protest, and to stand up for what she believes in, but that I'd prefer to only discuss he matter with her after the week is over, when I'm assuming she'll be under less emotional stress.

For life? Probably not. You'd be amazed however, at the amount of damage a manipulative young woman is capable of. Psychological, emotional, or otherwise.

I speak from experience. That's one crazy train I disembarked from a few years ago. It still haunts me in my dreams. (no joke)

My ex was like that. Thinking about her still bothers me.

if it makes you this mad she must be cute. wait till you get married someday and look upon this deal as a "good day"

hahaha

Wait, I think you were serious.

 

[dmazur]

I think I'm more angry because she's chosen the "dark side." She's a nice person, so it sucks to see her choosing the emotional, rhetorical, feel good side, rather than the side that uses fact, logic, and the Constituation.

I'm sure there will be many more friends I lose in the future. Such is life.

Yes, but someday you may meet a nice girl that actually agrees with you.

I know I get a nice warm feeling inside when I hear my wife screaming about the latest nonsense being spouted by one of our candidates. (Like something about bitter...guns...religion?)

We are going to have a quiet little celebration after (if?) the favorable SCOTUS ruling this summer.

So, don't waste time on the fruit loops out there. You deserve better.

 

[The Unknown User]

Actually, that must be nice to have someone agree with you, especially when that person is a significant other.

If you notice what I filled out in the "Location:" field to the left of this paragraph, I'm sure you know where I'm going with this.

And what is "SCOTUS"? I've heard the acronym before but haven't gotten around to looking into ut.

Wait...Heller vs. DC is supposed to be ruled on over the summer I'm told. Supreme Court of the United States.

Damn, I'm stupid.

 

[MarcusWendt]

I find it very interesting that so many think that our way is the only way. If she doesn't agree with you, she's not a friend? If she gets angry at you she's not a friend?

She's lost someone she cared about. She has a right to feel however she wants to. Her rights to feel the way she feels are just as important as your right to feel the way you do. You both know where each other stands, let it go.

If all wee knew and liked were people who agree with us, it would make for a pretty boring world.

Be sympathetic to her loss. Lead by example. Be the good friend who's a gun owner. You can be supportive of her without supporting her position.

 

[CountGlockula]

What about organizing a "counter" protest?

 

[ambush]

Rob, don't feel too bad. I have a sister who thinks the same way. How can I ditch my sister?? I can't. We agree to disagree, that's all.

 

[NG VI]

You did what you could, your response to her was not in any way out of line, you weren't pressuring her or saying anything remotely controversial (unless you consider stating that murderers break laws an earthshaking and blasphemous claim), yet she for some reason got very upset at you for offering a different solution to the same problem than she did. The question is, "how do we limit the destruction caused by a rampaging individual?"

Her group's idea is that they will create a magical fairyland where no one will ever be hurt by anyone else ever again, because there won't be any guns!.
Pro-CCW, pro-human rights, proactive response is that people will hurt each other no matter what. nothing will ever change that short of massively drugging the entire population, so the only reasonable thing to do is to allow people to take responsibility for their own safety.

She got deeply offended from a very gently-worded and even supportive letter. Nothing to be done. One of you supports both of your rights. One of you doesn't like the idea that you have all your rights, and is offended when you exercised an unrelated right (speech, with your letter to her).

 

[Derek Zeanah]

SCOTUS = Supreme Court of the United States

 

[ZombiesAhead]

"I don't need [common sense/rational thought/an unemotional response] right now"

 

[2nd 41]

So why are you angry? She's entitled to her opinions. Just because you disagree is no reason to be angry.
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I agree. Try to respect her views & opinions....and she should respect yours. Stay friends.

 

[Dr. Peter Venkman]

In case you haven't noticed 2nd 41, she is protesting his right to bear arms. It trancends friendships into the realm of lunacy.

Stand your ground rob; if she cuts and runs, her loss. Show up to her little 'protest' with one of your own; the member who suggested wearing a sign that says "I was armed and I lived" would be great.

 

[The Unknown User]

Thanks for all of the responses. To make a few points more clear:

- I respect her 1A rights. I support her right to protest.

- I do not support her right to infringe on my 2A rights. I know what the BoR says.

- I feel very sorry for her. I can't imagine losing a friend like that.

- However, me feeling sorry for her isn't going to let her trample my 2A rights.

I don't agree with the purpose of what she's doing, but I agree, in principle, that she should be able to do it.

 

[tntwatt]

The problem is that right now she is still angry and confused over the death of her friend. Unfortunately this is exactly when the anti-gun folks pounce. Anger is one of the natural stages of dealing with death. During this stage a person is very limited in their ability to rationalize and see truth. That's why the anti-gun advocates pounce at this time. Once a person has dealt with the anger and moves on to acceptance, their rational thought once again becomes prevalent. You have done your job as a friend well. You have planted the seed of doubt, it is now up to her.
Unfortunately the whole goal of this protest is to increase and keep her anger and pain in the front of her mind so she won't think rationally about guns. They will try at this time to convert her to totally irrational thought for the rest of her life. They always take the low road and exploit people's pain to accomplish their goals.
She sounds like someone that could use calm advice. If you make her aware of these things she may come around. If she doesn't, she will probably become one of the irrational anti-gun fanatics.

 

[tntwatt]

don't forget that no matter how good a friend she is and no matter what her reasons are, she is about to actually participate in a protest against your rights.

 

[Guillermo]

If one is to be close with another you must be simpatico on core values. Liberty and freedom are among my core values. I choose not have close personal relationships with sheeple. Of course I do not have as many close friends as some but those that I do are excellent. In my opinion, this policy has served me well.

I offer this as a way to explain that perhaps this is for the best.

 

[BruceRDucer]

Hey Rob87

Hey Rob87

Don't let the turkeys get you down.

After a lifetime of active writing and dialogue, my assessment of mankind is that only a small portion of the population is actually RATIONAL.

The uses of reason are a precise discipline, and I am convinced that most people function on a kind of chemistry, rather than exercising the discipline of logic.

So don't feel bad. Such reasonings, as your friend exhibits, which seem to expect mankind to simply turn into passive sheep, with no sensible indication how this is to be established by law or general acceptance. It leaves us all shaking our heads.

Or worse, doing this: :banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead:

So....get a nice drink and watch a good movie er sumpthin.

 

[SinistralRifleman]

organize people and counter protest. people who want to deny you your liberty and property are not your friends.

 

[doc2rn]

I had a friend that had a knee jerk reaction like this after VT. He had been shooting with me a couple of times and was on the fence. His GF was anti- all the way. I invited them over for pizza & beer with a movie. I took my Glock out and put it on the table in front of me.
GF goes balistic, and says dont you know those things kill people.
Me: "really" shouts at the gun "Kill, Fire, Shoot, and Murder"
GF: what are you doing?
Me: I just wanted to see if an inanimate object could do what you said.
GF: you know what I mean.
Me: no it is just a hunk of metal without someone with grey matter to handle it.
GF: Mouth hanging open
Dude Friend: Picks it up, clears it, hands it to her,
GF: mouth still open through the whole movie stares at the gun in her lap.
Dude Friend: picks it up at the end of the movie and says Gun laws dont work sweety because bad guys dont obey the laws.
Me: we shootin' tommorrow?
Dude Friend: of course and we may have one more.
Next day she showed up and shot my Ruger Standard.

 

[lamazza]

Drop her-she is going to be an unreliable friend some day. Friends should be assets and not liabilities.