Jim Watson
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Yes and there are a lot of small obscure US makers too, most devoted to .22 benchrest because most Americans are disinclined to stand up.
In the quest for a super accurate .22
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flightsimmer
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I always got a lot of enjoyment setting up shotgun shells at 100 yards (there's always plenty of them laying around on the range) and pretending to snipe them, one shot one kill. My body won't let me do more then that.
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As the happy owner of two identical Anschutz 54 sporters, I can attest to their accuracy. Hands down the best .22s I own. But my Sako P72 is very close.
flightsimmer
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When I flew myself down to Raton, New Mexico, I shot my M1a on the steel silhouette rifle range, among many other ranges and the firearms that I took with me.
It was fun at first, rams at 600 meters.
BANG...............................seconds later
Target falls.......................seconds later
CLANG.
I set up the steel rams, I think about 25 of them, three times and it started to get downright boring, plus all the driving downrange and setting them up again in the hot sun, I guess because it seemed that I just couldn't miss.
So I went to the pistol silhouette range, now that was real fun. Standing free hand was a real challenge.
I had a blast for a whole week, oh I wish I could do it again.
Jim Watson
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That is certainly consistency, 75 straight with an M1A. Standing, right?
But unless they moved them while I wasn't looking, the rams are at 500 meters.
But unless they moved them while I wasn't looking, the rams are at 500 meters.
flightsimmer
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No, no, I'm sorry, no, not standing it was off of my sand bag rest, yeah I wish I could have done it standing but I have never been that steady.
flightsimmer
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Now as I recall the rams were at 600 meters and the white buffalo up on the mountain was 1000 yds or meters I don't remember which. I was never able to verify if I hit the buffalo or not.
Jim Watson
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A friend was out there for a match; hit the buffalo on the first try and declined to shoot again.
Smart man......I usually have to try something like that again, VERY rarely (and its always a surprise) Ill manage it a second time.....USUALLY I have enough willpower to quit after that....usually.....
flightsimmer
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That's great.
flightsimmer
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Okay, after looking it up on the NRA site it says Rams at 500 meters so where did I get the idea that it was 600?
Jim Watson
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I have shot MS at least one place at 500 yards, they did not have another 47 yards.
Trivia: 500 meters is 547 yards.
547 yards is the battle sight setting on a 1903 Springfield.
Coincidence or was the Army using the French System in 1906?
Trivia: 500 meters is 547 yards.
547 yards is the battle sight setting on a 1903 Springfield.
Coincidence or was the Army using the French System in 1906?
flightsimmer
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So, does that make me half right or half wrong? LOL HA, HA. I'm going back to bed.
steven58
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Having owned CZ and sporter Anschutz, shot Anschutz 1900 series and current owner of a Vudoo V22 Ravage my experience is that in similar rifles the CZ is just below the Anschutz and both are way better than the Bergara ( I have only tried the B14 once at the range and it seemed a bit rough).
The Vudoo is on a completely different level. It will outshoot them all. At 50 yds and closer maybe the Annies can equal them but out at 100, 200, 300 yds and beyond the Vudoo rules them all.
nettlle
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Buy a nice bolt action. This rifle will put (5) shots inside a dime at 50 yards with the right ammo. All day long.
R.W.Dale
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I’ve been watching how well what shoots at our local benchrest matches
my observation is the rifle is a small part of a much larger commitment to accuracy. High end European ammo and very good scopes and a rest that costs a pretty penny too.
if you are expecting to buy an Annie, feed it Walmart ammo and look through a Chinese scope on a $50 bipod don’t be surprised when a $200 savage puts a huge hurt on your pride.
the cz isn’t magic. In my experience they’re on par with anyone else’s mass produced “target” 22. To significantly beat one all else being equal you are going to spend some money
my observation is the rifle is a small part of a much larger commitment to accuracy. High end European ammo and very good scopes and a rest that costs a pretty penny too.
if you are expecting to buy an Annie, feed it Walmart ammo and look through a Chinese scope on a $50 bipod don’t be surprised when a $200 savage puts a huge hurt on your pride.
the cz isn’t magic. In my experience they’re on par with anyone else’s mass produced “target” 22. To significantly beat one all else being equal you are going to spend some money
The barrel is the most important thing, especially in a .22LR rifle. I've done lots of accurizing jobs on 10-22s and found some really great mods that make them shoot more consistently, including fixing the infamous first-shot flyers. Ammo that likes a particular barrel is among the most important factors.
My B.I.L. got a nice used stainless 10-22 at a gunshow and it didn't shoot worth a darn. I did my best on it and it still didn't shoot better than 2 inches at 50 yards. We decided to get an aftermarket bull barrel and it made all the difference in the world. Suddenly, it was shooting 3/8" at 50 yards with good match ammo!!! That impressed me!
My B.I.L. got a nice used stainless 10-22 at a gunshow and it didn't shoot worth a darn. I did my best on it and it still didn't shoot better than 2 inches at 50 yards. We decided to get an aftermarket bull barrel and it made all the difference in the world. Suddenly, it was shooting 3/8" at 50 yards with good match ammo!!! That impressed me!
nettlle
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I have tried a bunch of .22 automatics. If you want accuracy buy a bolt action. Out of the box, if a good brand like CZ or Cooper, it will soon become your favorite for many years.
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If you check competition shooting results and do some of your own see will see CZ dominates the light sports rifle games. Therefore a few others in that class that compete well but not on average proven better. Tikka is one. Some identical rifles shoot better than others A actual step up would be a 40X, or Turbo. Or if you have the money a competition Anshutz or other Olympic type rifle. A Vintage target rifle may or may not. Any rifle may require ammo testing and tuning to shoot its potential. I have won matches shooting 2 452 CZ's. I am still tinkering with them and plan on shooting against a CZ MTR soon. If I were buying a new 22 that's what would be at the top of my list but I would consider a Tikka or Anshutz. If I was richer, a Turbo or 40X.
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redneck2
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I have a 453 Varminter. Single Set trigger. VX-3 4-14 scope. Shoots Wolf Match Extra extremely well. 1/2” @ 50 inch off a good rest on a calm day has been done multiple times.
I’ve tried other more expensive match ammo. Didn’t do well at all, but I found out later that the barrel needed breaking in, and I probably was wasting my time and money
I saw the CZ MTR and wondered (a) would it do any better? It’s +/- $750 IIRC, so quite realistic price wise. But, would it do any better than what I already have? And (b), if one did step up, what would it take to show improvement?
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I doubt if a 457 MTR is an improvement over a 453 Varmint
Roknstevo
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Looks like minute of hoghead to me......That sounds a bit like the one @SGW Gunsmith posted in another thread called CZ 457 MTR
I don't know enough about those 'real' target rifles to give you an answer you can count on. I'm the limiting factor in shooting. If I spent $3K on a target rifle, I'd waste about $2K of its accuracy. My Ruger American Rimfire Target is pictured below. When I get to where I'm pushing its limits rather than my own, then I'll think about upgrading.
Ten rounds at 50 yards with ammo it seems to like (Norma). Nothing special for a good shooter, but it was pretty good for me.
CraigC
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No way on God's green earth is a CZ going to compete with Anschutz. They're good for the money but not 'that' good. I also wouldn't buy a Bergara thinking it was a step up. I'd buy it because I wanted a rimfire with the Remington 700 footprint but didn't want to pay for a Vudoo. The Vudoo is likely to out shoot them all but Anschutz.
velocette
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Part of the Olympic team and the USAMU team practiced at my club. Not a Vudoo, Bergara or CZ to be seen, ammo used for practice was the high end RWS or Eley Black box.
Anschutz Bleiker, and Walther were the rifles. Not a one of them under $3500.00 and then you add the sights, another minimum of $1000.00 and usually a lot more.
The group I shoot smallbore prone with all use Anschutz 54 rifles with 2 stage 2 ounce triggers, none with overtravel stops.
As far as accuracy is concerned, with match ammo, 1" ten shot groups at 100 yards are not uncommon. No rest, bipod bags etc. Just a sling, jacket and practice.
Anschutz Bleiker, and Walther were the rifles. Not a one of them under $3500.00 and then you add the sights, another minimum of $1000.00 and usually a lot more.
The group I shoot smallbore prone with all use Anschutz 54 rifles with 2 stage 2 ounce triggers, none with overtravel stops.
As far as accuracy is concerned, with match ammo, 1" ten shot groups at 100 yards are not uncommon. No rest, bipod bags etc. Just a sling, jacket and practice.
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IMHO, that's impressive, regardless of what rifle is involved.
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