Felonious Monk
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Thanks hso!
Gonna take you up on the classes, PM me details when you get a minute.
Gonna take you up on the classes, PM me details when you get a minute.
Incident report: Goblin encounter
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Felonious Monk
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just a quick follow up
Folks,
I printed the thread out, and gave it to her to read. She cracked up over hillbilly's post about a face full of spray, knees to the groin, and so on. But, she was really appreciative of all the kind words for her well-being, and felt very affirmed to hear from so many that she had done well in keeping her wits about her during the confrontation.
Thanks, THR!
FM
Folks,
I printed the thread out, and gave it to her to read. She cracked up over hillbilly's post about a face full of spray, knees to the groin, and so on. But, she was really appreciative of all the kind words for her well-being, and felt very affirmed to hear from so many that she had done well in keeping her wits about her during the confrontation.
Thanks, THR!
FM
BerettaNut92
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Glad Mrs Monk is doing well, I think she did damn good 
Wheres Liliam Inner Spinus?
Wheres Liliam Inner Spinus?
Felonious Monk
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Thanks, Skunky!
Lilium Inter Spinas:
Latin. "Lilly among the thorns".
Paul Bettany's answer to "who are you?" while playing the irreverent, smart-a$$ Geoff Chaucer in "A Knight's Tale".
Works for me with the same tongue in cheek attitude to the location question.
I LOVED the guy's attitude. It was a riot, and the movie was a fun romp.
Lilium Inter Spinas:
Latin. "Lilly among the thorns".
Paul Bettany's answer to "who are you?" while playing the irreverent, smart-a$$ Geoff Chaucer in "A Knight's Tale".
Works for me with the same tongue in cheek attitude to the location question.
I LOVED the guy's attitude. It was a riot, and the movie was a fun romp.
OEF_VET
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Felonious,
Mrs. Monk did good. Major thmbs up for her.
Sean Smith,
You've been listening to some old school Aerosmith, haven't you?
Frank
Mrs. Monk did good. Major thmbs up for her.
Sean Smith,
You've been listening to some old school Aerosmith, haven't you?
Frank
Felonious Monk
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Bainx-- remember now, the nocturnal lizards are out there in the VERY wee hours. Most NORMAL people have enough sense not to be out gallavanting around Lanesboro and similar places that time of night.
Heck, there's no comparison to those poor souls who run Lonsdale and Walter P. Taylor homes routes. Oughta wear body armor for THOSE places!
Heck, there's no comparison to those poor souls who run Lonsdale and Walter P. Taylor homes routes. Oughta wear body armor for THOSE places!
Bob F.
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"Monk: Glad the half-unit's OK. She done good, as we Hillbillies say!
Switch her over to OC if it's legal out there among the thorns! The Rodesian's an excellent dog from all I've heard. Might wanna check out the Tosa Ken, also, at www.tosa-inu.com. Sometimes the best dogs are mutts. Mine's German Shepard-Lab. Down come around with evil intent. Her senses are much better than mine. Amicable types might get licked to death!LOL
Switch her over to OC if it's legal out there among the thorns! The Rodesian's an excellent dog from all I've heard. Might wanna check out the Tosa Ken, also, at www.tosa-inu.com. Sometimes the best dogs are mutts. Mine's German Shepard-Lab. Down come around with evil intent. Her senses are much better than mine. Amicable types might get licked to death!LOL
RTFM
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FM, glad MRS. M. is OK.
And like everyone else, hit dirt bag with the OC, and then mash the gas, once clear and safe let her fingers do the walkikng to 911.
RTFM
And like everyone else, hit dirt bag with the OC, and then mash the gas, once clear and safe let her fingers do the walkikng to 911.
RTFM
jrhead75
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Glad she's ok. Situation like that can get ugly fast. Is she available for lessons? My wife should handle herself so well.
My congrats to her.
My congrats to her.
Jim March
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The really good news: she didn't panic, AND she's all right. Cool.
I really can't say whether or not she made a tactical mistake here, until she thinks about and answers this question: could she see both his hands?
Last time I was in a hairball against humans, I made the critical mistake of not watching their hands. "Whoops, where'd those claw hammers come from?" Not good. Fortunately the hammers made their appearance while the goblins were at some range (near 20 feet or so).
So my point here is that if she could see his hands, then "holding fire" on the OC may have actually been optimal. Outdoors, you can catch a backspray whiff and it sometimes doesn't work.
Like I say: she kept her head, she made that moron realize he did NOT have helpless prey on his hands, and she wasn't bluffing.
Good on her.
Oh ya: the other reason I survived that mess against four loonies with two hammers, is that I found them beating on some guy, *immediately* pushed 'em off, got the downed party out, and backed up covering his retreat. My entire time spent inside their effective range was between one and two seconds. Lesson: a quick, fast counter-attack before the assailant can "gain control" can actually make up for tactical mistakes on your part by beating them mentally when they're not yet beaten physically.
I really can't say whether or not she made a tactical mistake here, until she thinks about and answers this question: could she see both his hands?
Last time I was in a hairball against humans, I made the critical mistake of not watching their hands. "Whoops, where'd those claw hammers come from?" Not good. Fortunately the hammers made their appearance while the goblins were at some range (near 20 feet or so).
So my point here is that if she could see his hands, then "holding fire" on the OC may have actually been optimal. Outdoors, you can catch a backspray whiff and it sometimes doesn't work.
Like I say: she kept her head, she made that moron realize he did NOT have helpless prey on his hands, and she wasn't bluffing.
Good on her.
Oh ya: the other reason I survived that mess against four loonies with two hammers, is that I found them beating on some guy, *immediately* pushed 'em off, got the downed party out, and backed up covering his retreat. My entire time spent inside their effective range was between one and two seconds. Lesson: a quick, fast counter-attack before the assailant can "gain control" can actually make up for tactical mistakes on your part by beating them mentally when they're not yet beaten physically.
Bob F.
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Hey, FM: I screwed up, up above, meant CS, she already has OC. Duh?!!? I was tired. Sure. Anyway, most seem to think teag gas is better than pepper, if you're the giver, anyway.
Felonious Monk
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Just a quick follow up:
Mrs. Monk asked me to thank everyone for their encouraging words on how she handled this social situation.
Her CCW came in the mail the other day. She's loaded for bear now. And Goblins.
THANKS!!!!
FM and his much better half
Mrs. Monk asked me to thank everyone for their encouraging words on how she handled this social situation.
Her CCW came in the mail the other day. She's loaded for bear now. And Goblins.
THANKS!!!!
FM and his much better half
Balog
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First, good job Mrs. Monk. Love to see people keeping their cool in a bad situation. That said, I'd never carry pepper spray. Too much chance of catching a whiff of your own spray. Not criticizing, just MHO.
I've actually been worried about something like this happening to me. I used to work as a rent-a-narc for a school in a shopping plaza. A few little skate punks who wanked about in the parking lot didn't like me, and I was worried they'd get high enough some night to try something. I always thought the best response to a situation like this would be:
Grab the arm being used to grasp you just above the wrist with the right hand (assuming you're in the driver's seat;
While bracing your foot against the bottom of the A-pillar (ie the panel right in front of the door) pull the BG in and forward while twisting the arm clockwise. This should A) smack his head or shoulder/collarbone into the A pillar pretty hard and B) place his arm into a very torqued position with his shoulder braced against the pillar;
Assuming the BG is still fighting, a hard palm-heel to the already stressed elbow should be enough to break it pretty badly;
Unless he's on PCP, Mr. BG should not be putting up much of a fight at this point. However, if he is it should be easy enough to continue to pull on the broken arm while jamming the left foot into his armpit. This should pin him well enough to let you transition his forearm from right hand to left, start the car, get it up to about 20 or 30 mph, then jettison the BG.
YMMV, but that seemed like the best course of action given my circumstances.
I've actually been worried about something like this happening to me. I used to work as a rent-a-narc for a school in a shopping plaza. A few little skate punks who wanked about in the parking lot didn't like me, and I was worried they'd get high enough some night to try something. I always thought the best response to a situation like this would be:
Grab the arm being used to grasp you just above the wrist with the right hand (assuming you're in the driver's seat;
While bracing your foot against the bottom of the A-pillar (ie the panel right in front of the door) pull the BG in and forward while twisting the arm clockwise. This should A) smack his head or shoulder/collarbone into the A pillar pretty hard and B) place his arm into a very torqued position with his shoulder braced against the pillar;
Assuming the BG is still fighting, a hard palm-heel to the already stressed elbow should be enough to break it pretty badly;
Unless he's on PCP, Mr. BG should not be putting up much of a fight at this point. However, if he is it should be easy enough to continue to pull on the broken arm while jamming the left foot into his armpit. This should pin him well enough to let you transition his forearm from right hand to left, start the car, get it up to about 20 or 30 mph, then jettison the BG.
YMMV, but that seemed like the best course of action given my circumstances.
She did very well. And glad she's OK.
If the keys were not in the ignition.. they are an instant set of brass knucks. Keep that in mind.
Eating your own pepperspray from inside a car.. not good. She was at breath mints range she was in range of her own spray.. probably best she did NOT try to spray him.
If the keys were not in the ignition.. they are an instant set of brass knucks. Keep that in mind.
Eating your own pepperspray from inside a car.. not good. She was at breath mints range she was in range of her own spray.. probably best she did NOT try to spray him.
FM,
Man, it's never a dull moment with your family. Glad the Mrs. is okay. She did well. Reminds me way too much of when I was carjacked in Houston many years ago. Yes, bad guys can just "appear" out of nowhere. My procedure now for protection in the urban jungle where I have to get in and out of my car quite often is to keep my pistol in the pocket holster, and a revolver in an unzippered handled portfolio which also carries the OC spray. I've practiced drawing from the pocket while seated. It's not that hard.
I keep a foot long hard steel bar velcroed (velcro attached to the full length of it to support the weight) to the dash board in a groove that runs along the top of the ash tray. I would use it to smash a window if I wound up underwater in a canal or a lake, but it makes a great weapon too.
My cousin the trucker carries his .45 ACP in the front waistband of his pants, and keeps the big Mag Lite handy to bash heads with. The big flashlight is a great self defense tool. I've been meaning to buy one for a long time. I think I will get one tomorrow.
Once again, glad your "better half" is still in one piece.
Best regards bro, Keys
Man, it's never a dull moment with your family. Glad the Mrs. is okay. She did well. Reminds me way too much of when I was carjacked in Houston many years ago. Yes, bad guys can just "appear" out of nowhere. My procedure now for protection in the urban jungle where I have to get in and out of my car quite often is to keep my pistol in the pocket holster, and a revolver in an unzippered handled portfolio which also carries the OC spray. I've practiced drawing from the pocket while seated. It's not that hard.
I keep a foot long hard steel bar velcroed (velcro attached to the full length of it to support the weight) to the dash board in a groove that runs along the top of the ash tray. I would use it to smash a window if I wound up underwater in a canal or a lake, but it makes a great weapon too.
My cousin the trucker carries his .45 ACP in the front waistband of his pants, and keeps the big Mag Lite handy to bash heads with. The big flashlight is a great self defense tool. I've been meaning to buy one for a long time. I think I will get one tomorrow.
Once again, glad your "better half" is still in one piece.
Best regards bro, Keys
Gordon
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When she carries Heat, here is my $.02. Shooting someone is expensive, no sense letting a scum bag cause you to lose a years profit. A face full of dye marked OC in the middle of the night to a transient infront of a convience store would not be good grounds for a suit (outside San Fransisco) against your wife. Of course left hand OC right hand on P-32 would be tactically sensible. The possibility of getting gas blown back should be considered. Don't EVER kick, punch or try martial arts moves if you don't have to ie: you are in car or can run away. Always have gun in dominant hand ready to fire as soon as you decide to(get ready to) 'go for it'. I would have OC'd the goblin and sped off(to report it) . Once again I would have gun in hand when I oc'd it. I would not have had an arm out to grab, and if someone did they would be shot! But way to go girl!
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