I'm looking to finally getting my CC permit. My Beretta 92FS is a little big for my liking. I'm leaning towards a P226 or P229. The "Elite" package SIG offers appears to be little more than a trigger job. Is it worth the extra cost, and what is a fair price for these pistols? BTW....a P220 is not out of the question. Your thoughts?
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I can't help you on those two selections but I do carry a P239 and at least one spare magazine. I will offer one observation regarding DA/SA and training. One of the advantages of DA/SA is the ability to pull the trigger again if you ever have a fail to fire. However, it seems most people I have personally witnessed running malfunction drills skip the subsequent trigger pull after a FTF and go straight to the Tap-Rack. Consider practicing the subsequent trigger pull on a FTF before executing the Tap-Rack. The time lost if that doesn't work will be minimal whereas a Tap-Rack takes longer and the chambered round just might go bang on the second strike.
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My P229R, along with a SIG STL900 laser/light combo, serves primarily as my home defense gun. It has the Short Reset Trigger and I think it's a great improvement over the stock trigger. In a slightly more compact 9mm. I like the CZ P01 and the Ruger SR9c for concealed carry.
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Here is a Beretta 92 article. http://pistol-training.com/articles/kevhs-very-opinionated-guide-to-the-beretta-92
You can see the size difference between the 92 and the SIG P226 in pictures at the bottom of the article. Not much difference between the two. I've seen many comment they prefer the 92 for concealment as the height of the gun and grip is shorter than the SIG P226.
The SIG P229 would be smaller though.
You can see the size difference between the 92 and the SIG P226 in pictures at the bottom of the article. Not much difference between the two. I've seen many comment they prefer the 92 for concealment as the height of the gun and grip is shorter than the SIG P226.
The SIG P229 would be smaller though.
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DAK...
If you plan to use the pistol for CCW, Id highly suggest the SIG Sauer DAK or Double Action Kellerman format.
This is SIG's spurless DA only system.
Many sworn federal agencies & large PDs use DAK version SIGs. NCIS, US Secret Service, CBP, RI State Police, etc.
You can avoid bogus claims of reckless use or "cocking the hammer back" in a critical incident.
SIG Sauer DAK pistols have been in use since the early 2000s. Id feel safe with a P226R DAK or a P227R in the DAK format.
If you plan to use the pistol for CCW, Id highly suggest the SIG Sauer DAK or Double Action Kellerman format.
This is SIG's spurless DA only system.
Many sworn federal agencies & large PDs use DAK version SIGs. NCIS, US Secret Service, CBP, RI State Police, etc.
You can avoid bogus claims of reckless use or "cocking the hammer back"
in a critical incident. SIG Sauer DAK pistols have been in use since the early 2000s. Id feel safe with a P226R DAK or a P227R in the DAK format.
I actually found that the Beretta 92 carried easier than the SIG 226...but then I found that the SIG 220 was easier to carry than either.
I've never carried the SIG 229, but the 228 was a dream to carry when the 226 was my duty gun.
The distinguishing features of the SIG Elite models were the beavertail and the SRT action parts. I don't feel that either is an asset in a carry gun.
If it were my choice and you aren't opposed to a polymer frame, I'd look seriously at the new SIG 320 Compact
I've never carried the SIG 229, but the 228 was a dream to carry when the 226 was my duty gun.
The distinguishing features of the SIG Elite models were the beavertail and the SRT action parts. I don't feel that either is an asset in a carry gun.
If it were my choice and you aren't opposed to a polymer frame, I'd look seriously at the new SIG 320 Compact
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I would think that a P226 would be a bit big for CC. The P228 or P229 Would be a little better, You did not say what caliber you were looking for, but Both the P228 and the P229 can tend to be a little heavy after a while. You can take a look at the P320 carry if you like the bigger pistols or if you want something smaller the P290 is a good palm sized choice in 9mm. In a few months the P320 will be out in the sub-Compact version and that would be an excellent choice. But if weight is not an option and you don't maid a carry sized handgun take a look at the P227 Carry.
I would think that a P226 would be a bit big for CC. The P228 or P229 Would be a little better, You did not say what caliber you were looking for, but Both the P228 and the P229 can tend to be a little heavy after a while. You can take a look at the P320 carry if you like the bigger pistols or if you want something smaller the P290 is a good palm sized choice in 9mm. In a few months the P320 will be out in the sub-Compact version and that would be an excellent choice. But if weight is not an option and you don't maid a carry sized handgun take a look at the P227 Carry.
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P224 pistol....
SIG has the alloy frame P224 series. They are slick. You can buy a version with the DAK system and 3 dot night sights.
The P224s can take the larger P series mags too in a pinch.
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SIG has the alloy frame P224 series. They are slick. You can buy a version with the DAK system and 3 dot night sights.
The P224s can take the larger P series mags too in a pinch.
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Go with 229 elite in SS finish and rosewood grips. Srt grip angle and craftsmanship/finish is spuerb on the elite models.
I think you will like it.
I think you will like it.
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As an admitted SIGophile, I don't think the Elites are worth the extra dollars. I prefer my SIGs to come out of the box simply with the excellent factory SIGLITE night-sights and the SRT, if available. Really all you need in a SIG, although the SAS package is nice too, if a rail is not important to you.
One of my favorite carry SIGs, the P-227 Carry in .45 ACP
But far more agencies use the conventional DA/SA SIGs. Bogus claims of reckless use or "cocking the hammer back?" I think this is not something to worry about when it comes to handgun selection (given the widespread use of striker-fired pistols that are always Condition 1, essentially cocked with a short trigger pull).
One of my favorite carry SIGs, the P-227 Carry in .45 ACP
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I would consider the 226 no easier to carry than the Beretta.
The short reach trigger is a benefit if the trigger reach seams a bit long to you on the standard model. I wear a large glove and appreciated the difference in feel and function with mine.
The short reset trigger refers only to the reset of the trigger. It isn't really a trigger job per say as the break doesn't really feel any different, but the reset is a great improvement allowing for much faster followup shots. It's hard to notice much difference in take up since you normally start with a DA shot. I found the difference worth it and fitted one in my 226.
You may consider the M11A1 ,"228", more carry-able. It comes standard with the SRT kit and also Standard with the tritium night sights. I find the size a little easier to conceal and wear it comfortably with a Cross bread IWB holster. Only thing I may change down the road is the grip panels for an E2 grip.
The short reach trigger is a benefit if the trigger reach seams a bit long to you on the standard model. I wear a large glove and appreciated the difference in feel and function with mine.
The short reset trigger refers only to the reset of the trigger. It isn't really a trigger job per say as the break doesn't really feel any different, but the reset is a great improvement allowing for much faster followup shots. It's hard to notice much difference in take up since you normally start with a DA shot. I found the difference worth it and fitted one in my 226.
You may consider the M11A1 ,"228", more carry-able. It comes standard with the SRT kit and also Standard with the tritium night sights. I find the size a little easier to conceal and wear it comfortably with a Cross bread IWB holster. Only thing I may change down the road is the grip panels for an E2 grip.
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The last 13+ years (late '86 into '00) before I "retired" , we were issued Berettas...92F/92FS/92FS Centurion/96G Centurion. Although I had no voice in selecting the Beretta, I trained hundreds of SAs...of all shapes, sizes and levels of enthusiasm @ the Academy, Annual Re-Training and Quarterly Regional Quals to use the various Berettas...from concealment.
P&P allowed for a limited number of "Personally Owned" (Inspected/Approved/Qual'd) weapons and many if not most carried them concealed daily...in place of the issued Beretta. Even those less "than enthusiastic" shooters preferred to qualify twice...or more, at each Qual session rather than only carry the Beretta. For many, the Beretta was reserved for raids and the occasional "uniform function"...where the Beretta was required. Although I did all range use/demos with the various issued Berettas, off the range my daily carry was Sig. A P225...until the P228 became available in '89 plus a P230 as ankle BUG for daily concealed carry doing investigations, protective operations...with a pair of P226s...one lighted, for SWAT work.
The Beretta...certainly a "full size" duty weapon, CAN be concealed...it just takes more effort, while the "full size" duty P226 takes a bit less effort. The more compact Beretta Centurion is the same size as the "full size" P226 while the Beretta Compact L is the same size as the P228.
Took this pic years ago to disprove the notion the 92FS with its 5" barrel has a greater sight radius than the P226 with it's 4.4" barrel....but with the parallel markers, it also illustrates the 92FS is enough larger...where it counts, over the P226 to affect concealment. BTW, while factory specs indicate the P226 is .1"...yes 1/10th", taller than the 92FS...insert the factory magazines in each and you'll find the 92FS is actually ever so slightly...but inconsequently taller. We do carry pistols with magazines don't we? The P228 with it's 3.9" barrel is that much shorter...and more easily concealed, still.
Hope that helps with all the fun work you have ahead of you.....
, we were issued Berettas...92F/92FS/92FS Centurion/96G Centurion. Although I had no voice in selecting the Beretta, I trained hundreds of SAs...of all shapes, sizes and levels of enthusiasm @ the Academy, Annual Re-Training and Quarterly Regional Quals to use the various Berettas...from concealment.P&P allowed for a limited number of "Personally Owned" (Inspected/Approved/Qual'd) weapons and many if not most carried them concealed daily...in place of the issued Beretta. Even those less "than enthusiastic" shooters preferred to qualify twice...or more
, at each Qual session rather than only carry the Beretta. For many, the Beretta was reserved for raids and the occasional "uniform function"...where the Beretta was required. Although I did all range use/demos with the various issued Berettas, off the range my daily carry was Sig. A P225...until the P228 became available in '89 plus a P230 as ankle BUG for daily concealed carry doing investigations, protective operations...with a pair of P226s...one lighted, for SWAT work.The Beretta...certainly a "full size"
duty weapon, CAN be concealed...it just takes more effort, while the "full size" duty P226 takes a bit less effort. The more compact Beretta Centurion is the same size as the "full size" P226 while the Beretta Compact L is the same size as the P228.Took this pic years ago to disprove the notion the 92FS with its 5" barrel has a greater sight radius than the P226 with it's 4.4" barrel....but with the parallel markers, it also illustrates the 92FS is enough larger...where it counts, over the P226 to affect concealment. BTW, while factory specs indicate the P226 is .1"...yes 1/10th", taller than the 92FS...insert the factory magazines in each and you'll find the 92FS is actually ever so slightly...but inconsequently taller. We do carry pistols with magazines don't we? The P228 with it's 3.9" barrel is that much shorter...and more easily concealed, still.
Hope that helps with all the fun work you have ahead of you
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