Injection Molded Kimber 1911's?

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I have always had a deep respect for kimbers and decided that it is the handgun I will buy when I am 21 (the age that makes me responsible enough to own a handgun according to politicians)

Well my brother and I were looking in a gunstore in Northern Virginia for gear that he will take with him to Afganistan, when I overheard one of the employees talking about his experience with a new kimber .45 1911. Being a guy in love with kimber pistols since I was first introduced to their sleek sexiness, my ears perked and I moved in to hear more.

This particular gunstore had an indoor range and a guy brought in his brand new kimber. He told the employee it was his first time shooting it and he was excited, he loaded the magazine and chambered a round. When he fired the weapon failed to function and load another round. He racked it and fired again, same thing it would fire, but not load another round. So the employee went over and disassembled the weapon and checked to see if he could figure what was wrong with it, then he reassembled it. AS THE EMPLOYEE SAID he loaded the magazine and racked a round into the chamber, but when he fired the weapon emptied the magazine in a burst of fully automatic fire! He disassembled the weapon and told the man to send it back to kimber and explain what happened.

Now I don't know if he was telling the truth or not but from what I understand injection molded firearms are not as good as milled or stamped. (correct me if I am wrong)

But apparently Kimber now uses injection molding for their 1911's, does anyone know anything about this, does it make the firearm less reliable?, Is there any possible truth to the employees story?

Thanks
 
Kimber and others do use some MIM (Metal Injection Molded) parts as they are less expensive to manufacture. Normally not a problem but it is possible to have a flaw that could result in various problems. Lots of people hate MIM parts but just because they are MIM, not because they have any negative experience. I am not concerned myself but it is easy enough to change out parts in 1911's if you really want to. Oh, Kimber stands behind their guns too!
 
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Do a search for MIM and Kimber, there was a thread here recently that was roughly about the topic, might have some info that is useful to you and your future purchase.
 
If the gun went full auto it likely had nothing to do with cast vs milled vs forged frame. Now, a broken disconnector, maybe...
 
Oh, and if your dream gun is a Kimber, in all honesty you should keep your money and study the marketplace a little more. You can get way more bang for your buck.
 
Kimber frames and slides aren't MIM parts its the internal parts that are MIM parts. these parts are made out of powder metal extreme heat and pressure in a mold.
from personal experience I can say that the parts are supposed to be perfectly made right out of the mold. the only thing MIM has going for it it's cheap.
Fitting of these parts is harder because of mold mismatch on the mold flash, they can't be polished to as high a polish for trigger parts. Fine surfaces are fragile and easily chipped or broken.
The guns are warrented but they are mighty expensive for cheap internal parts. In fairness to Kimber most the other cheap guns use MIMS parts too.
 
Tenn870...What navyretired 1 said.

I carry a Kimber UCC II and couldn't be happier. It has over 3,000 rounds through it without failure and is very accurate out of the box (case)...
 
my SA mil-spec has some MIM parts, maybe cheaper than a kimber, but still MIM parts, im gradually replacing them with 'better'(read: more expensive) parts
 
We do this a lot. There are many, like myself, who couldn't be happier with our Kimbers. My Custom II is by far the best handgun I have ever owned. Many of my friends and family members liked mine so much that they bought them as well. None of them have had any significant problems. There are others who say that there are so many failures with them that they can't be trusted.

I THINK, that:

A: Kimber manufactures several times more 1911s than their nearest competitors, and that a higher NUMBER of failures does not mean a higher RATE of failures at all, and:

B: Kimber turned the market on its ear when it pretty much invented the semi-custom market, they proved that you can get a 1911 with a hand-fitted slide and a match trigger without spending more than $1500, and everyone who paid more for one has resented them for it ever since, and

C: Tool steel can fail too. All machines eventually break. If the plastic and MIM really give you the willies, spend $120 for replacement parts from Midway or Brownell's. Myself, I put on Hogue wrap-around finger grips, night sights, and dropped the full-length guide-rod for a GI style one. I may eventually replace the mainspring housing, not because it's plastic, but because I want one that's arched with the lanyard loop.

I would be interested to know who your brother is going to Afghanistan with that allows him to take privately owned weapons at all.

My dad just bought a SA Mil-Spec, and it's a great gun, but I would use one as a project gun, a frame to start with and customize to death.
 
Listen to the rumors if you want too, but my Kimber is excellent.

Very accurate and reliable. So much so that it is my daily carry piece. Kimber CDP Pro Carry II, almost 3k rounds. I replaced the recoil springs at 2k rounds with Wolff springs. $10 and piece of mind...

Oh, and I did deal with Kimber's so called "horrible" customer service. They sent me a part, free of charge after I admitted that I broke a part due to abuse. The guy in the shop even asked if needed a walk through on the phone on how to change it (I declined, if you can't figure it out...you can youtube dang near anything these days). I broke the ambi safety when I fell on a curb, the ambi safety took the brunt of my then 178lbs. :banghead: The right hand safety just dangled uselessly, but otherwise the gun was unharmed and functional.

Edit::Don't listen to people who dislike something you want. Research it thoroughly and if you still like it, then buy the dang thing. There may be better values or not, but you want what you want and it's your money. If you end up with a quality, reliable piece then it is money well spent. I absolutely love my kimber and I'm thinking about buying a no frills ultra carry to accompany it.
 
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who your brother is going to Afghanistan with that allows him to take privately owned weapons at all

he said "gear" not "gun"

You know... flash lights, multi-tool, knife... not everyone going in theater is issued this kind of stuff

MIM is as MIM does...

some people get the MIM process right and use it in appropriate areas (i.e. new manufactured Colts)

others can't get it right and use it all over the place.

If you want to buy a 1911 with no MIM, you're going to drop $1,500 min.
 
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If you want to buy a 1911 with no MIM, you're going to drop $1,500 min.

Or $800. But a new Colt and replace the disconnector and magazine catch (if you REALLY feel need). About $800 all in.
 
I asked a similar question a few weeks back:

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=506223

Kimber turned the market on its ear when it pretty much invented the semi-custom market, they proved that you can get a 1911 with a hand-fitted slide and a match trigger without spending more than $1500, and everyone who paid more for one has resented them for it ever since, and

I am honestly inclined to agree with mljdeckard on this. MIM is fine and most people who bash it have never had a problem with it. I have two Kimbers, and the main complaint that I have is that thier KimPro finish is not very durable, it wears very quickly. Now my Eclipse 10mm is pure sexy.

When you do turn 21 I humbly suggest getting a Stainless TLE. It has everything you need on a 1911 at a good price for what you get. The Eclipse is my favorite model. I had once said that I would not buy another Kimber after the finish on mine wore so fast, but then I did buy the Eclipse bc it is so cool. I may get a matching one in .45.
 
mljdeckard, he was not looking for weapons, he was looking for GEAR. He had his first job as a contractor and he needed to get some things that he couldn't get in-country.
 
At one point in time Kimber was so good that Colt quit making 1911's because of that! Times are changing and Kimbers falling off. Colts back. We can debate to the end of times, but for some reason alot of Kimbers are having trouble.

The shining fact that Kimber still supplies completely obsolete POS magazines with thier guns is a shining clue that they're not really to concerned about reliability. The mags actually started digging a hole in my frame!!! Lucky I caught it before they got a hold of my ramp!

I've finally got my Kimber CDP Custom II to run 100%. I had to switch to Tripp Cobra mags (Wilson are decent as well), polish the ramps ALOT. Polish the bottom of the barrel bore to the point where its over throated! Polish the full length recoil rod. And replace the recoil spring with a Wolf 18lb.

I really like Kimbers tactical extractor. Everyone seems to hate it but mines fine. Looks to be the same general idea of extraction as my Glock. I OK with mim, but I'd rather not have it. And $1000 guns should NOT have it. Allthough Kimbers mim is alot stronger than the connecting rods in my '04 Ford mach1. Lol.

The recoil spring and magazines made the biggest difference. Polishing the ramp would be next.


I have to recommend the Dan Wesson Valor. Thats the gun I'd get if I was still into 1911's. No mim. No Billboard lettering.

or that WW1 reproduction Colt 1911. That thing is jellybeans! I think it was a 1919? I forget the model #.
 
Kimber Warrior

I bought it new. It now has more than 5000 (4500 reloaded) rounds through three Kimber magazines. Has operated flawlessly for the last 4900 or so rounds. I'm thinking it will be broken in any sessions now.

Scott
 
Is the original poster talking about MIM parts or an injection mold polymer frame kimber. I know kimber made polymer frame double stack guns that used different mags which might be the problem. As for MIM parts I have a 1996 kimber custom that still runs great and it hasn't broken anything. It's my best handgun. Mark
Here's the polymer kimber:
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Thank goodness for our American way.

MIM versus forged/cast
or
Forged versus cast
or
Republican versus Democrat

Sometimes it might be better to just agree to disagree.

And I have multiple Kimbers.
 
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